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Cactus posted:I'd be interested to see some examples of how the ruling classes deliberately and willfully nurture these weaknesses that western societies have against social media manipulation. I'm asking in good faith. Why would people at the top of a society strive to weaken the very society that enables them to live a privileged life at the top of it? They're not all that smart and a functioning society would reject them and their views. I'm not even saying that there is a single set of traits that create a functioning society. For example, massive amount of grifting and corruption wouldn't be permitted in any functioning society. Democracies tend to filter out people who would change it too much on purpose. Mediocre leaders are seen as good for business because they don't rock the boat much. Stupid leaders are hated, but so are transformative ones.
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Cactus posted:I'd be interested to see some examples of how the ruling classes deliberately and willfully nurture these weaknesses that western societies have against social media manipulation. I'm asking in good faith. Why would people at the top of a society strive to weaken the very society that enables them to live a privileged life at the top of it? This is exactly what the Republicans have been doing for fifty years. Fox News is the most visible form of it, but the GOP has been selling itself the idea that only straight, white, cisgender, wealthy people are really people, and that the law should exist to empower them and punish everybody else and for no other reason, for a long time. They've been working to produce the current situation of instability for a long time, and it's now bearing fruit.
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I have worked for a couple of global corporations, and I have wondered why they keep donating to politicans that take money away from the consumers so that they no longer can afford the products of these corporations. It turns out that all their profit came from tax cuts and interest built up by delaying payments to suppliers, and the dual digit billion dollar consumer business just barely broke even. Now the consumers don't have any money, and the result is hundreds of articles about how millenials are killing things.
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Yeah that's why they've all gone to net 60 or even net 90 in some cases. Basically they're generating profit by slowing down how fast the money passes through them.
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May 5, 2019 00:31
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The wealthy are basically crackheads addicted to wealth, and tearing the copper out of the walls to sell for more crack. In this analogy, the copper is the infrastructure of society.
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May 5, 2019 05:44
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So uhh. . .Prester's twitter account got suspended. . .You okay PJ?
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E-Tank posted:So uhh. . .Prester's twitter account got suspended. . .You okay PJ? There's a bunch of TERFs who coordinate to mass-report trans people and Twitter is fine with it, so when a trans person gets banned I assume that's what's going on.
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while that is definitely a lovely thing that happens, PJ getting put in a posting time-out is hardly the kind of historical aberration that suggests conspiracy
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May 6, 2019 01:15
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Except we saw it happen, just a page ago in her "learn to code" tweet thread lol if you think that every single one of those trolls didn't hit "report" on her, knowing full well that it will successfully game the twitter moderation system
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A person on my feed for saying "that's the hill you want to die on". You can probably guess what sort of person she said that too and why twitter treated it like a death threat.
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Autism Sneaks posted:while that is definitely a lovely thing that happens, PJ getting put in a posting time-out is hardly the kind of historical aberration that suggests conspiracy Twitter moderating well does not happen. If you see Twitter moderating, either literal crimes have been committed and Twitter is liable, or bad faith actors are at work.
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E-Tank posted:So uhh. . .Prester's twitter account got suspended. . .You okay PJ? My Twitter account getting banned was aggravating, near as I can tell it was the result off of Discord associated with kiwifarms mass reporting me. I am fine though, well I'm mostly fine. I guess I might as well fess up and admit that I've been kind of avoiding this thread for a while now, and it's because I'm not really particularly optimistic about where this is all heading anymore. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfFKZ1TNOak . Yeah, that commercial is literally straight out of my nightmares. Like... I had to seriously sit back and consider if my illness was loving with me when I first saw that. I was literally watching random videos about people who died on Everest/K2 and that pops up- and it was just so fine tune to be straight out of my nightmares that I had to go look it up on YouTube to see if it was real. I'm not certain I feel any better now that I know that it's real. Actually... I feel worse knowing that its feal. Things are... Things are going to get Buck loving wild in this country before they stand a chance of getting better. And I am really concerned about the prospect of an economic collapse on top of all this. If we have a 2008 style recession we're young people can't get a job, that means all the young white males I going to have nothing to do but commiserate over social media about how alienated and broke they are. That would be one hell of a prime environment for narrative is him to spread like wildfire through, and complicating matters is the fact that social media algorithms have honed in pretty precisely on not only how to appeal to narrativists- but how to convert more people into narrativists (because they obsessively consume media/drive "engagement" metrics). There's what I can only describe as a fruiting body of Novel forms of (low-compaction) Narrativism spreading across the internet right now, everything from the anti shipping community over on Tumblr, to the American Descendants of Slaves movement in the African-American community. I've run across probably a half-dozen or so novel forms of low-compaction groups forming- and it's giving me whiplash back to my Otherkin days in the way these low-compaction groups behave and recruit. I've also got real concerns about Generation Z, because they are being absolutely bombarded with sophisticated Narrativist media, and it's replacing a fair chunk social interaction. Not every Narrativist is going to be a chud necessarily, and particularly when you're dealing with low compaction Narrativists- they are going to be almost normal, just a bit goofy and or dedicated to their oddball cause. To be clear you don't necessarily adopt the exact narratives you're exposed to, the process of becoming a narrative history is more about just being repetitively exposed to Bypass logic. Once you've been exposed to Bypass logic enough, and had it start to work its way into your subconscious, then you'll start looking for some sort of narrative to latch onto. That's when the whole cycle starts. So yeah to summarize, I don't know anything or gave any guesses about what the gently caress is going to happen anymore, I just know that at some point all these goddamn plates have got to come crashing down. And my friends, the trip between here and there is just going to be.....really something*. *300 years from now historians are going to start arguing amongst themselves whether or not the events recorded from this period were exaggerated by a bunch of panicking primitives.
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We're in for a rough year for food prices in the coming months. Potatoes went planted late or unplanted because of a rainy winter and spring, and the flooding destroyed or prevented the planting of a lot of corn, soy, and other staple crops.
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Having come from academia, let me tell you that when I see Christian non-profit and appealing to the military, I immediately think it's a scam. And upon looking at it...Yep, graduation rate is 36%. The actual average graduation rate is 59%. The average cost after aid is 21k per year. Bullshit colleges looking to prey on enlisted military is scummy, but nothing new.
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RandomPauI posted:We're in for a rough year for food prices in the coming months. Potatoes went planted late or unplanted because of a rainy winter and spring, and the flooding destroyed or prevented the planting of a lot of corn, soy, and other staple crops. So yeah, prior to social media algorithm fuckary, my general working hypothesis for how Narrativism spreads within a population was that it was kind of like herd immunity breaking down; a stable society is inherently resistant to high-compaction Narrativists gaining power, however, inconsistent access to resources and/or the inability to build an identity for yourself- kicks the brain into a stressed mode where it's much more vulnerable to adopting bypass logic. Put enough members of a population under this stress, and a certain portion of them will become Narrativists very easily if they are exposed to bypass logic. In my view the 2008 Ron Paul Revolution, as well as the 9/11 truth movement being at its peak at about that time, we're both directly tied into how many young white males couldn't get work and or we're scraping by on three part time jobs at the time. Another anecdotal observation, the vast majority of otheekin I knew simply dropped off the scene the moment they got a decent job and could build a real life for themselves. (Myself included) Prester Jane has issued a correction as of 08:10 on Jun 8, 2019 |
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Ice Phisherman posted:Having come from academia, let me tell you that when I see Christian non-profit and appealing to the military, I immediately think it's a scam. And upon looking at it...Yep, graduation rate is 36%. The actual average graduation rate is 59%. The average cost after aid is 21k per year. Thank you for this. I wasn't aware that there was an entire sub-industry of lovely private Christian colleges preying on the military, but in retrospect I really should have just assumed.
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Prester Jane posted:Thank you for this. I wasn't aware that there was an entire sub-industry of lovely private Christian colleges preying on the military, but in retrospect I really should have just assumed. So, it used to be that if you got a college degree while serving as an enlisted person, that was a huge big deal and meant you were extremely motivated to get ahead and it looked very good on your record when considering promotions. Over time, more options became available to help people pay for classes, and more colleges started getting in on the deal. Things rapidly moved towards grift, as nobody cared whether you got a real degree from a respected college, or if you got one from a bullshit mill. And from a competitiveness perspective, what looks better, working your butt off for a real college, or buying a degree and having plenty of time to devote to other things that improve your record. It's at the point that if you don't get a degree, you're at a disadvantage, so basically you have to buy a degree from a mill using government money if you want to get promoted. Grift city.
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Prester Jane posted:inconsistent access to resources and/or the inability to build an identity for yourself- kicks the brain into a stressed mode where it's much more vulnerable to adopting bypass logic. Amen to that. There's a part of me that can identify what things I did right and wrong volunteering during the Thomas Fire: I can be proud of this, should be mindful of that, etc. There's also a part of me that says I caused the fire because I visited a museum a few days earlier and this was divine punishment because I'm bad and I can't be allowed to have nice things. I'm sad for people who have similar delusions about themselves and terrified of people who have those sorts of delusions about other individuals or groups.
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There was an article recently about how white people in the USA post WW2 had an unspoken safety net of racist favouritism that they stopped bothering to maintain after the Cold War. Now we've seen the last generation for whom capitalism has worked as advertised, and are fleeing to any alternative that seems viable, now socialism and fascism.
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Prester Jane posted:Thank you for this. I wasn't aware that there was an entire sub-industry of lovely private Christian colleges preying on the military, but in retrospect I really should have just assumed. It's cool. Don't worry about it. Whenever you're talking about the right wing and money, go ahead and ask yourself, "Is this a grift or is this fascism?" Technically it can be both, but one eventually eclipses the other. Usually it's grifting. I know that you delve deep into fascism, but fascism doesn't really pay the bills unless you're selling brain pills like Alex Jones, which is snake oil. If you're talking about colleges, it's almost always grifting, because in every single one of them there's a low level of grifting in the form stuff like say, new math books for freshman every year even though the kind of math they're teaching hasn't changed since Euclid. Now when you're talking about former enlisted military, many don't have that knowledge passed down from their parents about what a good college looks like versus a bad college. They go to the internet, look it up and see the taglines for a private Christian college that appeals to the military. And they say, "Hey, that's me!" And then they go and barely over a third graduates and they're not going to be able to afford to go to a new college without a loan. That's abysmal in so many ways. I've heard you say before that if a business bills itself as a "Christian" business, then it's most likely a con. This is that thing you said. It's a con. Suck in some deep breaths, girl. It's just another con. Smoke a bowl, play some video games and chill out. Ghost Leviathan posted:There was an article recently about how white people in the USA post WW2 had an unspoken safety net of racist favouritism that they stopped bothering to maintain after the Cold War. Now we've seen the last generation for whom capitalism has worked as advertised, and are fleeing to any alternative that seems viable, now socialism and fascism. Do you have the article?
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Ice Phisherman posted:Smoke a bowl, play some video games and chill out. Way ahead of you friend  I must say- Stellaris on console scratches that Master of Orion 2 itch that I've had since Master of Orion 3 turned out to be such a boring pile of bland disappointment. Prester Jane has issued a correction as of 09:10 on Jun 8, 2019 |
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Ice Phisherman posted:Do you have the article? Sorry no, and the second part is by inference anyway. A lot of older people really can't understand that the world they grew up in no longer exists.
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RandomPauI posted:We're in for a rough year for food prices in the coming months. Potatoes went planted late or unplanted because of a rainy winter and spring, and the flooding destroyed or prevented the planting of a lot of corn, soy, and other staple crops. This will be much worse overseas. Within the US most of what is being affected are commodity crops. Feed / ethanol corn. Soy to be used as feed. Simultaneously our crop had also had the demand side kicked in the nuts, by the China tariffs. We may see a price rise. But it's not going to be huge. We might not see one depending on what demand for exported US meat lookd like. China had already been taking steps to replace our supply, they'll see a slightly larger one. Smaller countries may be hosed. Especially places where our animal grade commodity grains are eaten by people. Non commodity grain foods, the veg in the super market, that's a very different thing. That's mostly Canada, California and Mexico. The aborted Mexican tariffs would have hosed that. Ghost Leviathan posted:There was an article recently about how white people in the USA post WW2 had an unspoken safety net of racist favouritism that they stopped bothering to maintain after the Cold War. Now we've seen the last generation for whom capitalism has worked as advertised, and are fleeing to any alternative that seems viable, now socialism and fascism. It wasn't a bothering to maintain thing, it was a they died off thing. In my industry they refer to the "class of 42". Basically these guys all fought in the war together. They conspired to advance people they liked or thought highly (and didn't really give a poo poo about credentials). They also participated in social clubs, moose, rotary, lions, VFW, etc and donated their time to public service. They took in young people and mentored them or gave them opportunities to go places they otherwise wouldn't have been capable of going. They were also often drunk, racist and misogynistic. They also failed to communicate the need to do these things to thier childern, often because they couldn't talk to them. They failed to extend it past white men. I'd say older Millenials like me just barely caught the tail end of seeing and interacting with them. Then we saw it vanish for people younger than us. Personally I think we need to re-engage with those social organizations, combined with not being huge racist/misogynistic dicks like they were. Intentionally extend opportunity to those without privilege if it's possible and wherever its possible to do so. But our generation is only just beginning to get into a position to do that. But that's probably too late. The boomers needed to do that. Unrelated Stellaris is definitely the best.
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Also unrelated. Lean supply chains are more resilient than one would assume. A problem with one node, will simply reroute cargos through other nodes.
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BrandorKP posted:Personally I think we need to re-engage with those social organizations, combined with not being huge racist/misogynistic dicks like they were. I think about this, whenever I pass an IOOF hall, because I know my mother's father was in that. And she and her sisters were in the Daughters of Job, and her mother's whole family was in with AGBU, etc. And I also remember describing these very forums to my mother, and having her compare it to those organizations. That's what the solution looks like, I think.
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Haha, I just noticed my new red text. It's pure poetry that the salty tears of centrists whose toes I've stepped on goes towards helping sustain this communities existence. Feels good to make a difference 
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https://twitter.com/dallasnews/status/1140656385899814912?s=19 This particular case is interesting not only because this is (according to my "popcorn kettle" stochastic terrorism model) yet another kernel of corn in the kettle going pop; but because that this is happening so frequently now that this particular incident is receiving basically zero attention from major media. Now, in this particular case no one but the shooter was killed*, but this is still a straight up lonewolf armed with an AR-15- assaulting a federal building. *because the shooter tried to assault a federal building with a courthouse in it At this point incidents like these are so indistinct as to have become part of a steady background roar of popping kernels. If my overall previous predictions hold- then the next step-up in escalation from here would be for small groups of 2-5 individuals also conducting these kinds of attacks.
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I know it's happening but Jesus Christ that's still stunning.
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Good news - that is just a meme, not him.
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Willie Tomg posted:This is why I'm telling you to email universities though. Academics generally don't mind helping with this kind of thing even when the people doing the asking aren't tuition paying students. They will skim databases and give you poo poo for free. Some of them will be dicks about it but some of them won't. They will help you with the heavy lifting on this; you don't need to reinvent the wheel. I was re-reading this thread and just came across this old post; I would like to state for the record that I have at this point emailed approximately 60 different College professors across a variety of universities, and I have gotten more or less bupkis in response. I have experimented with a variety of approach's/outreaxh strategies, but (so far) no one has really been willing to invest the time to read my work. A couple have responded with links to their own related works on deradicalizing/cult environments, but that's the most effort/thought I have gotten in a response do far.
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Prester Jane posted:I was re-reading this thread and just came across this old post; I would like to state for the record that I have at this point emailed approximately 60 different College professors across a variety of universities, and I have gotten more or less bupkis in response. I have experimented with a variety of approach's/outreaxh strategies, but (so far) no one has really been willing to invest the time to read my work. A couple have responded with links to their own related works on deradicalizing/cult environments, but that's the most effort/thought I have gotten in a response do far. Which disciplines did you reach out to directly? Not talking schools exactly, though that is important. Also, doing research on each of the professors is important. I'd suggest searching for someone who specializes in abnormal psychology from say the psychology or sociology department. Ice Phisherman has issued a correction as of 01:41 on Jun 18, 2019 |
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Ice Phisherman posted:Which departments did you reach out to directly? Sociology, psychology, and political science.
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Prester Jane posted:Sociology, psychology, and political science. I see. There are a couple of problems you may not have known about. Specifically, your timing is bad. Schools don't operate at full effectiveness during the summer. Many professors will check their email, but that's it, most are out until fall semester. At least in the liberal arts schools as most aren't engaged in research like say, engineering would be. The heads of departments will still be around, maybe and there would be some professors who are running summer classes, but that's it. And their presence is diminished. Also, if you're just mass emailing people, I'd suggest finding people who do service work in what you're doing instead of research or find research projects that they've done that have to do with what you're talking about. Academics are specialized and talking about cults and deprogramming to someone whose specialization is in say, Soviet history will net you nothing. The scattershot approach probably won't work. I'm on pretty good terms with my local department head and I can ask and see if I can put you in touch with her and if she can assist you in getting off the ground. She's cool people. Anyway, I think you just need to modify your approach.
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Ice Phisherman posted:I see. There are a couple of problems you may not have known about. I know nothing about the academic world and I have no idea how to navigate it, so I'm all about trying a better approach. I'm very grateful for the feedback and the offer to talk to your local department head.
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump...ingawful.com%2F I believe this qualifies as the first official nationwide compaction cycle.
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What'd be ideal is for big name prof to interview her and write about her experience to "legitimize it" for journals and such. And maybe sell that idea to them in the first place using yet more third person accounts of her. Just open right away with other people's testimony, and it looks less like yet another framework that only its author has seen or paid notice to. (Sorry again for my total lack of help this year, I didn't expect to suddenly leave student life, and then designing a course got to be really all consuming) Happy Thread has issued a correction as of 02:51 on Jun 18, 2019 |
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