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Electric Phantasm posted:How come no one told me about this episode of Zexal? Zexal is good. It really is GX 2.0. The most crazy wacky poo poo ever in Part 1 and then suddenly things get serious and dark in Pa rt 2.
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I began rewatching all of Yugioh with my friends and forgot I haven't posted in this thread forever. Honestly a little surprised to see no one vouched to make a new one yet. How is everyone? Also I have watched none of Vrains is that show okay or at least funny enough?
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Captain Baal posted:I began rewatching all of Yugioh with my friends and forgot I haven't posted in this thread forever. Honestly a little surprised to see no one vouched to make a new one yet. How is everyone? VRAINS is decent. It's not as good as the earlier series, but it's not awful like Zexal or Arc-V. Definitely worth watching.
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Captain Baal posted:I began rewatching all of Yugioh with my friends and forgot I haven't posted in this thread forever. Honestly a little surprised to see no one vouched to make a new one yet. How is everyone? VRAINS is bad. It’s very bad.
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Captain Baal posted:Also I have watched none of Vrains is that show okay or at least funny enough? VRAINS suffers from having some really good ideas but also dodgy execution but is overall watchable and enjoyable once it gets over its really bad production issues. Also Yusaku is enjoyable as a protagonist in a way no other Yu has been but at the same time the side-cast may as well be erased from the show with how little they contribute (which you can say for every YGO series ever but still). This current arc seems like it'll go places so I hope it doesn't lose steam. The previous arc definitely didn't even with some weird moments.
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Arc-V is good until it's final fight which blows, Zexals is great. VRAINS is intensely dull. Like the entire first arc all the villains are incredibly forgettable and then the second arc is mostly about the AI's who are all incredibly uninteresting except the protagonist one who you already know everything about.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Arc-V is good until it's final fight which blows, Zexals is great. Arc-V is good for all of one arc and then it gets into Synchro and becomes the worst series so far. It never gets over that too, ruining what was easily the single strongest beginning since 5D's. The manga is so much better at being consitently good. Zexal is kind of the opposite in that it starts genuinely awful and really can go no way other than up, but then it decides to take that to heart and goes the hell up and only gets better and better despite some really dumb poo poo, and then Zexal II happens and it becomes one of the best-thought, most enjoyable series we've had. Too bad Yuma is still poo poo but at least Shark is great and Kaito is a good Kaiba.
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Synchro arc is good because it gave us hanafuda card man and I got to see my husband, the Sultan of Speed, duel again and his and Yuya's final duel is one of the best for both of their characters.
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Zexal is intensely terrible. It starts bad, almost looks like it's going to not completely suck for a little while, then it decided to become even worse. That show is almost completely without value.
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Zexals starts of bland then turns into fun goofy poo poo then hyper speeds onto Long Dead Space God Betrays Existence and in that it's basically GX but slightly less intense in both directions. It's p. okay.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Zexals starts of bland then turns into fun goofy poo poo then hyper speeds onto Long Dead Space God Betrays Existence and in that it's basically GX but slightly less intense in both directions. Eh, it still suffers from the fact that the core Zexal cast is completely unlikeable, and the less said about the Zexal form the better.
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King of Solomon posted:Eh, it still suffers from the fact that the core Zexal cast is completely unlikeable, and the less said about the Zexal form the better. Yuma's friends are basically non-entities at any time the plot starts though, and from there on only Yuma sucks, Astral is a perfectly fine Atem, Shark is the second best character in the series, and Kaito is an enjoyable change of pace with a surprisingly nice Kaiba that never loses to the protagonist. Pretty much every villain is genuinely enjoyable, with Vector taking the unarguable "best character" slot.
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Blaze Dragon posted:Yuma's friends are basically non-entities at any time the plot starts though, and from there on only Yuma sucks, Astral is a perfectly fine Atem, Shark is the second best character in the series, and Kaito is an enjoyable change of pace with a surprisingly nice Kaiba that never loses to the protagonist. Pretty much every villain is genuinely enjoyable, with Vector taking the unarguable "best character" slot. Shark and Rio were good characters, but their transformation from heroes to villains was both unearned and absolutely critical to the plot. Most of the rest of the villains were generally fine, I thought Vector was ultimately pretty bad. Kaito was cool. Yuma's friends didn't really matter, per se, but they were everpresent and always, always terrible.
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Zexal gave us some dumb stuff like this at least https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQSi1AyVGbI The closest VRAINS ever got to stuff like this is Go implanting an AI into his brain to make him better at card games and almost dying from it. Also the duel where both players brick on the first turn. Hopefully this arc is better because free will Roboppy is precious.
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I guess I'll also write words about what's been going on so far and how I've been feeling. So we're watching Duel Monsters rear end Yu-Gi-Oh! right now, the english dub. I kinda wanna talk about all the poo poo we've watched through so far and how series honestly still holds up pretty well. Season 1: It's very monster of the week, but that's not necessarily a bad thing especially since this season actually came and went at a pretty steady pace. Most of the duels are simple and fun enough and even when the actual things happen begin to get very calvinbally they're ridiculous to the point of being kind of great. I think the only times I found myself getting annoyed were the Panik duel where most of the monsters and things happening were obscured so it ended up being two dudes yelling at each other for 13 of a 22 minute episode and the Bones duel is kind of a slog as you watch Joey try to understand how cards work. The final section of the season that begins with Kaiba's duel with Yugi on top of the Castle is some pretty classic and great Yugioh happening and all of the duels are genuinely pretty fun to watch especially Joey vs Bandit Keith. This season still holds up really well especially before the wacky world of the actual rules kicks in. Also the 4Kids dub took the courtesy of doing this poo poo right before Yugi and Joey's duel and it reminded me of the lovely album they put out which was Music to Duel by. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPx4F8GkR94 poo poo happening between Season 1 and 2: Most of this stuff is honestly kind of lame. The Rebecca storyline while short has her being really obnoxious throughout the entire thing with a duel that progresses at a snail's pace and with nonexistent stakes for that matter. The Legendary Heroes thing was one episode too long, it is essentially a greatest hits of Duelist Kingdom capping off with Yugi and Kaiba beating the guys who don't have faces and don't ever directly confront them. Dungeon Dice Monsters while a fun enough idea is four loving episodes long partially because Joey has to spend one getting his rear end kicked by Duke and then the other three go along with Duke mostly just yelling at Yugi in infantile rage about how him beating Pegasus put him out of a deal which... especially didn't matter when the email from Industrial Illusions came like 4 minutes after the duel ended. Season 2: I feel like this season starts out kinda badly in the anime because until like episode 5 you get mediocre duels with Bandit Keith and I honestly don't even remember if that was in the manga or not. The Johnny Steps episode is lame, but Johnny is such an absurd character I can kinda get behind that episode. Thankfully, once Kaiba announces the Battle City tournament things kick up a lot. I think one of my favorite things about Yugi is he almost only fights Rare Hunters and all of them have some kind of silly gimmick that make them fun to watch. Seeker has the Exodia Deck where he plays three ofs and he gets chided for doing that (I assume that's a dub inclusion, but it's still pretty lol), Arcana has the Dark Magician Mirror Match combined with the stupid buzzsaws and even as mackered as his backstory and the dark energy disks were in the dub it still makes it a pretty entertaining duel, and I don't think anything needs to be said about the Strings duel and the Revival Jam Loop. Joey's duels in comparison feels like he's definitely getting the scraps of Duelist Kingdom for the most part, but he still makes up for with the Espa Roba duel if nothing else. I think by the time of Luce and Umbra the show started to slow down for a minute cause even though it was a tag duel with Yugi and Kaiba, it went at a pretty meandering pace and got a little boring. Kaiba and Mokuba trolling around Domino City during the tournament was also a highlight if only for Kaiba chumping random people with Obelisk. Thankfully the Possessed Joey duel picked back up and the Blimp duels were all pretty fantastic as was Bakura murdering Bones his idiot friends. Props to Odion for being the most competent duelist in Marik's entire organization probably even more so than Marik himself. Season 2 is still a really good season. Season 3: I did not hate the Virtual World filler arc. Two of the Big Five duels (Gansley and Nesbitt) kinda sucked but the remaining 3 had a little personality and Lecter's big reveal of being Jinzo was honestly a pretty fun thing. I feel like this season adds a decent amount to the history of the Kaibas in a good way and giving some relationship building with Mokuba and Kaiba is good even if it does make negative loving sense why Mokuba ever puts any faith into Noah other than he is a dumb child. As soon as the big five return for the tag duel the entire arc slows down and gets kinda lame. Especially the duel with Noah which is so ungodly long and there's no reason for Yugi to be taking over in a duel that is supposed to be Kaiba's personal baggage and business. I mean I guess Kaiba got to beat Gozaburo, but he's more a denouement duel to the storyline than a final boss like Noah was. Gozaburo is honestly a pretty alright and fun character for what is a dude largely invented for this storyline and the backstory of how Kaiba took Kaiba Corp from him is hilarious. Then we move back to the Battle City Finals and I'm... a little iffy on parts of this. So I like the four way duel to decide pairings, the Marik Duel with Joey was good, the Yugi and Kaiba duel is absolutely fantastic, and I kinda didn't care about the final Marik duel cause it felt like Yugi and Kaiba sorta stole its thunder. The Joey and Kaiba duel is there I guess, but it feels unnecessary and extra. I found myself getting irritated the more Marik kept dropping more abilities on Ra to the point that I wanted to keep a running count but we were too far in for me to start. As it stands this is a weaker season than 1 and 2, but still pretty okay. Also Kaiba blowing up the island is a strong end. Season 4: Holy gently caress this was worse than I remembered. So beyond the fact the God Cards are stolen in an incredibly stupid way, this arc starts out very poorly with having to establish all of the dragons in badly paced duels that don't really do anything other than show off the dragon's powers. In fact both Kaiba and Joey's duels tie because they for some stupid loving reason threw both of the rival enemies for them into a duel very early. Yugi doesn't even get a debut duel with Timaeus until his duel with Rafael which is a bizarre place to debut the card given the level of importance that duel has to the entire storyline of the season. The Orichalcos is also a bad sword of damocles to hang over every duel because it means every duel starts almost the same. The only time a duel does not have the seal activated near the start of the duel is the first Rafael duel. Also why the gently caress does Valon's orichalcos ring piece only come up the one time he needs to save Mai and never again? Why does he teleport once and then never again? Why do they need motorcycles if they can teleport and why is there an army of bikers that don't actually do anything other than ride bikes? The character writing for this season is awful too. It undoes all of Mai's previous relationships on the very lame premise that she regressed back into feeling lonely and isolated which was the loving point of her developing over the first two seasons and she doesn't even get a real duel ever. Both of her duels are with Joey and both are cut off short. The minions all suck too, but Valon sucks the least. Alastor whines incessantly to Kaiba about Kaibacorp being responsible for his brother's death but also never really addresses that Kaiba wasn't running the company at the time and he's turned it into a gaming company since, but it tries to pay this sins of the father poo poo onto a person who could give a gently caress less so it makes everything Alastor says ring kind of hollow. Rafael's would make some sense if it weren't for the loving fact Rafael would've needed help from other people to not only make it back to civilization, but also needed help to even get to the status he had when he got back. Like I guess Rafael seeing a crime or two happen made him think humans can't be trusted with society, but his alternative of raze the world of humanity makes it feel like a slippery slope for a character that should otherwise be able to see in moral grays given the lovely situation that occurred. Also Guardian's loving suck and he is overwrought with angel imagery and he sucks. Valon is the closest to being a real character with understandable motivations, but they attach him so heavily to Mai and have him do a fuckload of nothing until he duels Joey. It makes no sense why he has so few confrontations with Joey given he is a very obvious foil to him and their duel is also the only good one of the entire season and they have actual chemistry with each other unlike the other two rivalries. I should also mention all of the duels in this season are either boring or bad, even the Weevil duel on the train loving sucks and the only time it becomes forgiveable is when Berserker Soul gets activated and the meme happens. This is to say nothing of Dartz who is an infinitely worse filler villain than Noah. At least Noah has pathos that makes some modicum of sense and a character arc, Dartz is entirely a background force until his duel with Yugi and Kaiba and has no real features as a character. The dub had to do some punching up to the script that made him a snarky rear end in a top hat and that still wasn't enough to really make him fun. It doesn't help his duel is long, overwrought with dumb bullshit, heavily leans on new stupid garbage for the Orichalcos, and isn't even the real final confrontation. They have the nerve to stretch this dude out for another three episodes. I do have to say the Infinity + 1 Knight defeating the Snake was honestly a hilarious way to cap off that duel though. The entire conflict ending with Dartz having been mind controlled all along is incredibly hollow as the Leviathan itself is only an actual force and enemy in the last two episodes of the arc and it has one of the most dull giant monster fights ever where they animate it moving around the screen like Leventhan's head in Odin Sphere. Redeeming Dartz at the end makes it so no one has to actually answer for what happened and puts the entire conflict on the head of a giant snake we don't even see for most of the season. Also most of the last episode is flashbacks to the rest of the arc making it feel like 2/3 of the episode is supposed to be a recap combined with the season finale for some god forsaken reason? Season 4 is bad y'all. I might've gotten a few things wrong here and there, god knows the dub can kind of muddle things sometimes but I do remember it not loving with anything too major. We're gonna probably start watching Season 5 this next week, I remembered enjoying the KC Grand Prix but that might change upon rewatch and I'm looking forward to seeing if I actually enjoy Egypt this time around.
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I should also mention we're going through the entire abridged series too because I am a sadist and enjoy watching my friends suffer through lovely youtube videos
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Captain Baal posted:I feel like this season starts out kinda badly in the anime because until like episode 5 you get mediocre duels with Bandit Keith and I honestly don't even remember if that was in the manga or not. It wasn't-Bandit Keith gets killed at duelist kingdom via penalty game by Pegasus, though I don't know how the manga handled the pre-duelist city bits exactly.
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Kaiba and Alastor is terrible on so many levels. Seto is literally not responsible for anything that happened, even remotely, and in fact has already shut down the projects that caused Alastor's trouble. And on the other hand Kaiba never gives a poo poo at any point and probably wouldn't have cared even if he was at fault. So the whole thing is just Alastor yelling about his backstory with zero relevance or effect, and then they have a boring card game afterwards
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Julias posted:It wasn't-Bandit Keith gets killed at duelist kingdom via penalty game by Pegasus, though I don't know how the manga handled the pre-duelist city bits exactly. It's the single most MURICA moment in the manga because the billionaire capitalist American casually psychically forces the biker gang American into shooting himself in the head with hand flesh gun, and it owns. In the manga, the Dungeon Dice Monsters duel, the dude with a grudge against Solomon, and Yugi having to put the puzzle back together in a burning building were all in the same arc. Props to manga for chaining the puzzle to some occult board game because that's just how the manga rolled. I look forward to ranting about the train wreck that was Millennium World, cause that poo poo sucked rear end in the manga too due to the editors cutting it short.
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The Orichalchos arc of Duel Monsters is one of my guilty pleasures just because of how '90s dark+edgy it tries to be. Everyone is so angsty, it's amazing. And Valon's armor deck was sweet, if not stupidly overpowered and nearly incomprehensible from a game mechanics perspective. Also, they finally give Jounouchi some good cards to use only to take them away as soon as the filler is over. Also also, it gave us one of the most meme'd moments in YGO history. AlternateNu fucked around with this message at 01:54 on Jun 9, 2019 |
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There's a lot more Bakura (both the nice one and the villain) in the manga, just so you know. The Duke bit is completely different too.
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I'm aware. I read the manga way back when but I also should probably go through it again for a refresher.
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Electric Phantasm posted:How come no one told me about this episode of Zexal? zexal kicks rear end
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I like the part in Zexal where the bad guy pulls off the destiny draw BS to get a card that would have won the duel, but the restrictions on it prevent it from activating. Also Shark's "death" in the dub.
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Captain Baal posted:
KC Grand Prix is the dirt loving worst. It's one of those obvious filler arcs where it's pretty obvious that nothing matters and that you shouldn't care. Season 5 proper is actually good though
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Testekill posted:KC Grand Prix is the dirt loving worst. It's one of those obvious filler arcs where it's pretty obvious that nothing matters and that you shouldn't care. But it showed us how broken the Chaos monsters were. 
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I was absolutely astounded how much better Dungeon Dice Monsters was in the manga. That was around the time I realized the entire Duel Monsters anime was kind of a hatchet job
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VJeff posted:I was absolutely astounded how much better Dungeon Dice Monsters was in the manga. That was around the time I realized the entire Duel Monsters anime was kind of a hatchet job Yeah, it's absolutely not a good adaptation. It cuts and changes a lot and overall loses a lot of flavour and characterization from the manga in exchange for a greater focus on marketability. But it's what got to everyone, so it's how the franchise will be forever remembered either way.
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So it hasn't been officially announced yet, but there's enough evidence pointing towards it, so I feel safe going ahead and saying it... VRAINS is ending at the end of the month. It's a real shame too, season three has been pretty solid so far. The show has finally found it's footing and has been good lately, and now it's rushing towards an end. 
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Vandar posted:So it hasn't been officially announced yet, but there's enough evidence pointing towards it, so I feel safe going ahead and saying it... What gives you that impression? I thought most Yugioh shows run for about 2-3 years on average.
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Larryb posted:What gives you that impression? I thought most Yugioh shows run for about 2-3 years on average. Several reasons: The main one is that a new anime is starting on October 2nd in VRAINS' timeslot, which would naturally indicate that VRAINS is ending. Several staff members of VRAINS have also posted on Twitter saying that their work on the show is over, and what seems to be the final battle of the show is starting in the next episode. Season three has also seemed like it's been tying up a bunch of loose ends and rushing itself towards an ending as well. It's also no secret that VRAINS has been plagued with developmental issues since day one, and with next year being the twenty-fifth anniversary of the franchise and the twentieth anniversary of the anime, the going theory is that they want a clean break to make sure that the next anime series airs without any issues and is of a proper quality. There's a few other small details, but those are the big ones. Just a lot of evidence pointing towards an early ending, unfortunately.
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I was thinking about getting back into Vrains, I dropped it near the end of Season 2 since my interest waned. Season 3 is worth watching then?
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Wow. That's gonna be the shortest Yu-Gi-Oh by far. I didn't watch VRAINS at all, but that's a bummer.
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Mysticblade posted:I was thinking about getting back into Vrains, I dropped it near the end of Season 2 since my interest waned. Season 3 is worth watching then? Season three is the high point of the series and has imo one of the most emotional moments in the entire franchise. I never thought I would get teary eyed over the death of a goddamn Roomba... 
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It's not a surprise to me this season is ending early since from the start of it they seemed to be rushing to cut off as many potential plot threads as possible. Gotta love that the conclusion to Aoi's whole story is looking to be her brother getting killed and then doing nothing to the villain to get back at him. Suits her well, sadly.
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Justin_Brett posted:It's not a surprise to me this season is ending early since from the start of it they seemed to be rushing to cut off as many potential plot threads as possible. Don't forget that Emma and Blood Shepard are still deleted, Queen is still in a coma, and Windy's child from the Lost Incident was never picked up on. VRAINS is going to end with quite a rushed and dropped plot points, I think. It's a shame. I'm not a fan of most of the show at all but it still sucks that it's having to end this way.
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https://ygorganization.com/solongandthanksforallthecache/ And now it’s official.
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