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KOTM made me want to go re-watch some of the old flicks again. Which ones are best dubbed and which are best subbed? Not "which are good vs bad movies", just what's the best way to experience the dialog for each?
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Jun 8, 2019 19:26
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Ferrinus posted:I loved KotM, but it's a little more thematically muddled than - or at least discordant with - the 2014 movie, since suddenly nuclear families are really important rather than dangerous distractions. Yeah, 2014's "you have to willing to sacrifice yourself and your family to save the world" is much more impressive than KotM's "you have to be willing to sacrifice yourself and the world to save your family" I didn't love this as much as Godzilla 2014, but it was still a lot of fun. catching up on thread topics; oh goons I love you, but with so much exposition how can y'all get do confused about character motivation?? And Mothra totally messed those taser guys up, being thrown 20 feet into rock by a giant monster! Dr Rick&Morty didn't even bother me as much as I thought he might. Definitely annoying, but he's a nerd scientist so it kinda fit. Imagine how much worse it could have been if this was a Disney joint!
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Jun 8, 2019 19:39
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Annath posted:KOTM made me want to go re-watch some of the old flicks again. In my opinion I would try to find subbed versions wherever possible. I think a lot of the time when people recommend the dubs they are doing so because they either grew up with that version or like to have Godzilla films on in the background.
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Jun 8, 2019 19:46
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Annath posted:KOTM made me want to go re-watch some of the old flicks again. I did this earlier in the thread but let's let it go again! In order Gojira 1954 is only subbed Godzilla King of the Monsters 1956 is only dubbed Godzilla Raids Again: Subbed, the dub is atrocious King Kong VS Godzilla: Sub is longer, dub has additional human scenes, they're comparable Godzilla VS Mothra 1964: Dub is superior. The translation is good for the time and it has extra Godzilla fighting the military scenes not in the Japanese version Ghidorah the Three Headed Monster: Dub is the better cut of the two films. Translation isn't as accurate but the editing is better Monster Zero: Dub is better, flat out Sea Monster: One of the dubs is equivalent to the subs though there is a more obscure one that's real lovely Son of Godzilla: Equivalent Destroy All Monsters: Equivalent Godzilla's Revenge: How bad do you want Minya to sound? Like a barney or a screechy thing? Smog Monster: Equivalent Gigan: Dub has Godzilla and Angirus talking to each other and a lot of cursing so it's hilarious Megalon: MST3K version MechaGodzilla 74: I have a soft spot for the dub and the bad Russian accents. Also, BEAT GODZILLA TO DEATH is such a badass line. Terror of MG: Sub is better here. Return of Godzilla: Sub is better Godzilla 1985: Only dubbed. There's a fan edit of this and Return that is pretty fantastic though, keeps the best elements of both. Heisei Era: All of the dubs here are roughly equivalent to the subbed versions. They're not the best dubs ever, Rodan being called Radon grates my nerves, but generally do whatever you feel here. Godzilla 2000 is better dubbed than Subbed. Shorter, better edited. Godzilla VS Megagirus is whatever. GMK is better subbed. GXMG and Tokyo SOS is better subbed, if you can find true subs and not just dub-titles. Final Wars is best subbed. Shin Godzilla, in my opinion, works best subbed if only for the Engrish that comes up.
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CRAYON posted:In my opinion I would try to find subbed versions wherever possible. I think a lot of the time when people recommend the dubs they are doing so because they either grew up with that version or like to have Godzilla films on in the background. I will loving fist fight you on this, don't you fill his head with those lies. Ghidorah's dub is categorically better not for the dub itself, but because of the editing. It fixes so many confusing things in the Japanese original that the DIRECTOR HIMSELF prefers the American cut of the film, and recut the Japanese version in its style for a film festival. And well I just made a whole post going over every single one of them so blar
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Burkion posted:It fixes so many confusing things in the Japanese original that the DIRECTOR HIMSELF prefers the American cut of the film, and recut the Japanese version in its style for a film festival. Wow, really? That's a first.
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Jun 8, 2019 19:56
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Thanks for the info! I have most of the movies ripped to my Plex server, but I haven't watched some of them in years, so it'll be fun to go back.
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Jun 8, 2019 19:58
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Annath posted:KOTM made me want to go re-watch some of the old flicks again. Honestly, if you watch the following four movies, you have assimilated the best of the franchise: Godzilla, King of the Monsters! (1956) Mothra vs. Godzilla (1964) Ghidorah, the Three-Headed Monster (1964) Invasion of Astro-Monster (1965) For bonus points, watch Rodan (1956) and Mothra (1961).
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The lack of G vs Hedorah in that list is 
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GATOS Y VATOS posted:The lack of G vs Hedorah in that list is Absolute truth.
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GATOS Y VATOS posted:The lack of G vs Hedorah in that list is (That’s Smog Monster) E: poo poo, I thought you were referring to the dub/sub list. Ignore me.
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Also on Ghidorah, an important thing to remember is that it was churned out in the same year as Godzilla VS Mothra 64. It literally came out just a few months later. Its production is one of the most rushed of all the movies, so the editing suffered a lot. The American cut of the film greatly tightened it up because they had more time to work with the footage.
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Jun 8, 2019 20:23
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Annath posted:KOTM made me want to go re-watch some of the old flicks again. Most cases I would favor subs because the US versions often have some alterations, but I feel like Monster Zero is better dubbed. You get all of Nick Adams’ performance that way.
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Burkion posted:Also on Ghidorah, an important thing to remember is that it was churned out in the same year as Godzilla VS Mothra 64. It literally came out just a few months later. I dislike what they do with the music, though- the US version doesn’t have that great bit with Rodan’s theme kicking in as he fades in from the sky during Godzilla’s landing.
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Maxwell Lord posted:I dislike what they do with the music, though- the US version doesn’t have that great bit with Rodan’s theme kicking in as he fades in from the sky during Godzilla’s landing. See this is a case where the movie is superior in one version, but the actual audio is not. The differences between Venus/Mars and some other stuff is legendary, but the music alteration is also an issue. Basically with that one it's not a clear cut answer. If you want the best 'cut' of the film, check the dub. If you want the music and more true translation, check the sub. I wish they released the Japanese cut that was re-edited like the American version but with subs and the original Japanese track, but much like the mythical Monster Zero cut where Nick Adams speaks English and everyone else speaks Japanese, it'll never happen.
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Burkion posted:Final Wars is best subbed. You miss out on the best line in the entire franchise if you watch it subbed.
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Beamed posted:You miss out on the best line in the entire franchise if you watch it subbed. Yes but you also miss so much stupid bullshit of Don Frey staring at Japanese people shouting Japanese at him that he cannot possibly understand
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Rewatching as many as I can manage to get in order, and as I go, also watching for whichever one I saw on tv in the early 2000’s that helped me with a sad and lonely afternoon. I’ll know it when I see it, it was on some monster movie classics channel I think. Barely remember it though.
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Jimbot posted:Hello friends, we the Dredd community welcome you to the box office disappointment club. At least Godzilla got 3 films out of this. Dredd didn't even get a goddamn sequel despite it doing really well on Blu-ray. They already filmed the fourth one so there will be another regardless. Additionally, who gives a poo poo. How many series produce 5+ good movies anyway
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Just saw this and absolutely loved it. My inner 12 year old was running wild laughing the whole time.
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If all you know about Bradley Whitford is his quippy turn in KotM, or if you like him but want to get the taste of that performance out of your mind, check him out in The Handmaid's Tale. Jesus he's good.
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Blood Boils posted:Yeah, 2014's "you have to willing to sacrifice yourself and your family to save the world" is much more impressive than KotM's "you have to be willing to sacrifice yourself and the world to save your family" I think it's not as dissonant as it seems if you go by SMG's reading; the nuclear family is just looking solely out for your mate and your kids and being willing to obliterate everything else to do so, which is basically the foundation of why society is so hosed up, while the end of the movie has GI Joe looking up at Godzilla having been briefly personally acknowledged by the mountain-sized lizard and realising that to protect that family he needs to also accept that he is part of the larger family of life on Earth, which includes Godzilla. (not to mention the whole thing with Godzilla emerging not long after Walter White's death) The MUTOs are literally furnishing their home with the bomb that will destroy them and their children, these movies are both heavily allegorical and not very subtle. I think you're meant to consider the divorced family in KotM as an allegory for the wider world and that humanity has to restore the relationship it once had with the kaiju, as seen with the great aquatic ruins laying forgotten in the Hollow Earth that are Godzilla's home and heat rock. Humanity is divided between those who treat Godzilla and his like as threats to be destroyed, as weapons to be used, or animals to be dispassionately studied, but realise over the movie that none of those are correct; they are thinking beings with awareness and agency that must be engaged with actively. All of these viewpoints (and even the ones who do believe in engagement) are shocked by Ghidorah, as none consider that the kaiju can be so much like humanity as to have bad faith actors among them who have active, personal agendas to destroy and reshape the world solely for their own benefit. Or specifically; the ecoterrorist guy wants to let the kaiju loose to rampage and believes humanity will probably survive and be forced to change, or be wiped our, either way he believes it will create a world he sees as better; Ghidorah wants the same thing, but he doesn't care about taking Earth 'back' to how it was, he wants to impose an entirely new order where it's unlikely even most of the Kaiju will survive, let alone humanity.
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Hello friends. I have just watched the new movie Godzilla: King of the Monsters. On what page of this thread does the discussion start?
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Hand Knit posted:Hello friends. I have just watched the new movie Godzilla: King of the Monsters. On what page of this thread does the discussion start? Around page 170 is when the earliest trip reports and direct movie discussion starts coming up.
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Still waiting for Godzilla vs. Clifford the Big Red Dog.
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Hand Knit posted:Hello friends. I have just watched the new movie Godzilla: King of the Monsters. On what page of this thread does the discussion start? Going tomorrow and very interested to hear your thoughts
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Just saw Rodan for the first time and enjoyed it. Loved the mining community focus. The copy on Archive.org looks great. edit: It was weird that the bug monster was just dropped from the story. I'd have thought it was building to a confrontation between them after the Rodan ate all it's babies. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 05:17 on Jun 9, 2019 |
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I said come in! posted:Still waiting for Godzilla vs. Clifford the Big Red Dog.
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Teenage Fansub posted:Just saw Rodan for the first time and enjoyed it. Loved the mining community focus. We eventually get that, sort of Godzilla VS Megagirus has the adult of the species, mutated, fighting Godzilla
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Captain Invictus posted:that happened a year or two ago, it was called Rampage The aligator from that one kind of made up for Angiras not being in KotM if you ask me.
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Captain Invictus posted:that happened a year or two ago, it was called Rampage That was actually a good movie.
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yeah rampage was a ton(or...many, many tons, dohoho) of fun. it didn't take itself seriously at all and was better for it.
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I had a random thought about how amazing a Godzilla movie would be if Guillermo del Toro collaborated with Toho and had his production crew help design the suit.
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Motion capture seems to be a decent compromise between suits and CGI.
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I saw KOTM for the second time today because I got $8 off from buying Kong Skull Island. I really enjoyed it both times but I don't actually recommend it to anyone because I feel like it is so specifically made for people who like a particular form of Godzilla movies. Whoever it was that made the joke about it being Showa with Heisei characteristics nailed it. It is weird to me that the studio actually thought this would do particularly well in the US.
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Is King Kong vs. Godzilla (1962) available for streaming anywhere in the US?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFAVp6i5dlU
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Someone in this thread posted a fascinating article about the 1998 Godzilla film, that described the creature designer and I believe Emmerich unveiling their proposed design for the creature in front ofToho execs. Followed by one minute of total silence. I though I had bookmarked this but now I can’t find it. Does anyone know what I’m talking about? e: found it http://www.scifijapan.com/articles/2015/05/31/godzilla-unmade-the-history-of-jan-de-bonts-unproduced-tristar-film-part-4-of-4/ MrMojok fucked around with this message at 21:21 on Jun 9, 2019 |
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