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Professor Shark
May 22, 2012

LingcodKilla posted:

You specially want the old metal nobz and bosses or would plastic ones be ok too?

I wanted metal- stuff I really wanted to paint in Jr High that I didn't get to do (as lame as that sounds)

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Gato The Elder
Apr 14, 2006

Pillbug

Professor Shark posted:

I wanted metal- stuff I really wanted to paint in Jr High that I didn't get to do (as lame as that sounds)

Buying stuff you thought was cool, but perhaps couldn’t afford, when you were 16 is a time honored tradition for The Adults

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


Professor Shark posted:

I wanted metal- stuff I really wanted to paint in Jr High that I didn't get to do (as lame as that sounds)

Well let me dig through my future fishing weights. I’m positive I have a bunch of nobs.

Beerdeer
Apr 25, 2006

Frank Herbert's Dude
https://imgur.com/gallery/u3w9jVV

My friends and I played a Horus Heresy megabattle today. We had 8 players, 7 primarchs, and 6 hours.

This was the cap to our spring campaign. Traitors won by a large margin, but we loyalists will come back.

Max Wilco
Jan 23, 2012

I'm just trying to go through life without looking stupid.

It's not working out too well...
So originally I had a breakdown of each of Space Marine legion I was going to post to try and get some feedback on figuring out which legion I wanted to go with if I decided to do a whole army. However, it ended up being really long-winded for some legions, and really short for others. Here's a (slightly) more concise version.

The legions I tend to like more are the ones that tend to have custom or unique looking models that set them apart from the standard, default marines. Dark Angels and Blood Angels both have some unique stuff, though the DA seems to have more in that regard. I also like the knight/monk/wing (?) motif with the Dark Angels more than the vampire/grail/Catholic (?) motif (which is still neat, but not something that grabs me as much).

You would think that since I prefer the marine armies with custom stuff, I’d like Space Wolves, but…I don’t know; I have mixed opinions on the range. Some of them I think look pretty cool, like the Dreadnought variants, and the Wolf Priests. Others, however, I don’t care for as much. It’s odd, because I tend to like things with the Viking motif, but then (as has been mocked much before) the Space Wolves lean more towards a ‘wolf motif.

Outside of the armies with super-unique stuff, I still like the other loyalist armies. Only one I don’t really care for that much is Iron Fists, but I chalk that up more to the fact that the Iron Fists get ignored a lot in general. I like the White Scars Asian/Mongolian motif, but I wish there were more models for them that incorporated it. Imperial Fists I also really like, maybe in part to the portrayal of Rogal Dorn in TTS.

The Ultramarines…this might piss a lot of people off but I don't really hate the Ultramarines. I mean, I like picking on the Ultrasmurfs as much as the next person, but I think it stems from all of the 5e/spiritual liege stuff in the past. Apart from that, I find the Ultramarines interesting, because their 'do things by the book' quality is works as both as a strength and as flaw. One way I saw it put is that out of the other legions, they operate more like army soldiers, rather than warrior priests (though maybe that's more in line with the Horus Heresy books I've read). As a flaw, though, it's interesting to see them fall apart because of their refusal to break protocol. Ultramarines have some cool stuff like the Honor Guard, and the Captain, but my issue has been "How can I paint Ultramarines without actually painting Ultramarines."

Color is actually one of the big issues I’ve had when it comes to picking a legion. My last post was on how I found myself being redundant with a lot of the stuff I wanted to paint being red. Part of it comes from the worry of it looking samey, but also in how difficult it is to paint. Red and yellow I think are considered the hardest colors to paint (I think brown, white, and black are too, though), and while I’d like to paint up Imperial Fists, and while I’m actually working on Blood Angels right now, I want to move to something with an easier color to work with. The Dark Angels dark-green and Ultramarine cobalt-blue is appealing, since it seems much easier to paint. Of course now, there’s the Contrast Paints, so I say all of this, and it may turn out that doing Imperial Fists with the contrast paints might be dead simple (and I wouldn’t have to buy twelve pots of paint just to finish them!)

On that note, I should say that I don’t play the tabletop game; I just find it fun to assemble and paint the minis, in the hope of making a diorama or something as a project. The contrast paints seem like they’re meant for getting them to tabletop as quickly as possible, but still, it seems like they yield high quality results.

I've got some other points to touch on, and I also want to cover the Traitor Legions as well, but this post is already overly long, I'll do that in a separate post.

Professor Shark
May 22, 2012

LingcodKilla posted:

Well let me dig through my future fishing weights. I’m positive I have a bunch of nobs.

Sounds good

I said come in!
Jun 22, 2004

Wasn't able to get the contrast paints I wanted, they all sold out but also the store was broken for a lot of the day preventing me from placing a order. :sigh:

Thanqol
Feb 15, 2012

because our character has the 'poet' trait, this update shall be told in the format of a rap battle.

Max Wilco posted:

The Ultramarines…this might piss a lot of people off but I don't really hate the Ultramarines. I mean, I like picking on the Ultrasmurfs as much as the next person, but I think it stems from all of the 5e/spiritual liege stuff in the past. Apart from that, I find the Ultramarines interesting, because their 'do things by the book' quality is works as both as a strength and as flaw. One way I saw it put is that out of the other legions, they operate more like army soldiers, rather than warrior priests (though maybe that's more in line with the Horus Heresy books I've read). As a flaw, though, it's interesting to see them fall apart because of their refusal to break protocol. Ultramarines have some cool stuff like the Honor Guard, and the Captain, but my issue has been "How can I paint Ultramarines without actually painting Ultramarines."

Nobody is actually mad about ultramarines anywhere other than 4chan.

Wizard
Aug 3, 2014

Paul Blart: Mall Blart

I said come in! posted:

Wasn't able to get the contrast paints I wanted, they all sold out but also the store was broken for a lot of the day preventing me from placing a order. :sigh:

Same here. Im actually surprised they sold out, I figured with a whole new line of paints this wouldnt of been a issue

TheBigAristotle
Feb 8, 2007

I'm tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money.
I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok.

Grimey Drawer

Thanqol posted:

Nobody is actually mad about ultramarines anywhere other than 4chan.

it bums me out that most Codex: SM characters are Ultramarines but what can you do, at least Lysander is extremely badass

JIZZ DENOUEMENT
Oct 3, 2012

STRIKE!
I’m kind of surprised that GW hasn’t given each named spade marine chapter their own codex and at least some unique models.

Given how much people love space marines it seems like easy money.

Beer4TheBeerGod
Aug 23, 2004
Exciting Lemon

I said come in! posted:

Wasn't able to get the contrast paints I wanted, they all sold out but also the store was broken for a lot of the day preventing me from placing a order. :sigh:

Supposedly GW will have them in stock next week.

Tadhg
Aug 5, 2007

AUT MORS
AUT GLORIA

:hist101:

The Jumpoff posted:

I've now assembled two Megatrakk Scrapjets, and both times they have just been awful to put together. Huge gaps no matter what i switch around in dry-fitting, shoddy connections on extremely fiddly parts, and my second one just WILL NOT stick to the base, so i'm thinking of drilling into the tires to pin the dang thing. If the other buggies are this unfun to put together then i'm dreading expanding my force to include 3 Shokkjumps.

Sharks Dont Sleep posted:

I mean I totally get what you’re saying but the concept of “numbered instructions” on an Ork kit is fundamentally hilarious to me. Step one: Put things. Step two: Add dakka.

Basically this. I think I bought one of the official trukk kits once to check out what the aesthetic of the parts was like firsthand, but I mostly just chuck leftover, secondhand fixer uppers, or broken things from other things into a box labelled "Ork Projectz" along with cheap vehicle models and accessories I find on sale (my preferred LGS has a huge selection of historical models and minis.)

I actually just bought the latest Ork book to get back into things, and decided to break these out of storage to try kitbashing some new rides for my boyz.

Tadhg
Aug 5, 2007

AUT MORS
AUT GLORIA

:hist101:

I said come in! posted:

Wasn't able to get the contrast paints I wanted, they all sold out but also the store was broken for a lot of the day preventing me from placing a order. :sigh:

The wargamers in my area are apparently getting ready to actually loving riot over the limited amounts of contrast paints that are available at stores. We have three gaming stores within a 5 minute drive of each other, and all of them have waiting lists that have sold out of every paint. One person went so far as to push over a display shelf in rage.

I mean, the paints look like a cool Easy Mode, but... goddamn. Keep your poo poo together, nerds. Also lmao at GW for hyping their fans into an apparent frenzy over these and following up with a limited initial release.


e: This reads like a death thread post, but it's more a condemnation of the insanity of consumerism, or something. I don't know. The paints look cool, and I'll try them out myself at some point when I won't get shived with some sharpened sprue walking back to my car with my purchase.

JackMann
Aug 11, 2010

Secure. Contain. Protect.
Fallen Rib

Wizard posted:

Same here. Im actually surprised they sold out, I figured with a whole new line of paints this wouldnt of been a issue

It's intentional, sadly. They do a limited release so that people get more hyped up seeing the few people who do get theirs the first week, and they talk themselves into buying more when the wider release happens. The monkey brain responds to "it was limited and now it's not" with "grab all you can before it's limited again!"

Two Beans
Nov 27, 2003

dabbin' on em
Pillbug
Contrast paints are good, ya'll.




This is after 5 minutes of painting, during a game I was playing at the local GW store.

Harvey Mantaco
Mar 6, 2007

Someone please help me find my keys =(
I wish I liked the way these contrast paints looked but I just don't. I'm glad people are enjoying them though, because having paints that let people get stuff on the table quickly is a good thing for the hobby.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Harvey Mantaco posted:

I wish I liked the way these contrast paints looked but I just don't. I'm glad people are enjoying them though, because having paints that let people get stuff on the table quickly is a good thing for the hobby.

I think for the time investment on natural surfaces they look amazing.

JIZZ DENOUEMENT
Oct 3, 2012

STRIKE!

Two Beans posted:

Contrast paints are good, ya'll.




This is after 5 minutes of painting, during a game I was playing at the local GW store.

That's crazy good for how little time that took! Congrats!

How well do contrast paints work covering "oopsies" of other contrast paints? Ex/ painting the over the currently-red bracelets on the top right arm.

I can't get over the time v results ROI of these paints.

JackMann
Aug 11, 2010

Secure. Contain. Protect.
Fallen Rib

JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:

That's crazy good for how little time that took! Congrats!

How well do contrast paints work covering "oopsies" of other contrast paints? Ex/ painting the over the currently-red bracelets on the top right arm.

From the videos I've seen, not well. They're translucent, so you'll tend to get a mix of the two. For example, in a video where someone was painting a carnosaur blue and yellow, they got a green where the two met. That said, it was easy enough for them to paint over it with white and re-apply the paints as needed.

Stephenls
Feb 21, 2013
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JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:

How well do contrast paints work covering "oopsies" of other contrast paints? Ex/ painting the over the currently-red bracelets on the top right arm.

I can't get over the time v results ROI of these paints.

JackMann posted:

From the videos I've seen, not well. They're translucent, so you'll tend to get a mix of the two. For example, in a video where someone was painting a carnosaur blue and yellow, they got a green where the two met. That said, it was easy enough for them to paint over it with white and re-apply the paints as needed.

They claim this is the primary reason they've released Wraithbone and Grey Seer in base paint pots, so you can go over any mistakes made applying your current contrast color before applying the next one.

Broken Record Talk
Jul 28, 2009

A three-hundred thousand degree baptism by nuclear fire;
we had it coming.

Stephenls posted:

They claim this is the primary reason they've released Wraithbone and Grey Seer in base paint pots, so you can go over any mistakes made applying your current contrast color before applying the next one.

That’s some good thinking on their part, in terms of how they’re marketing the new system.

Seems like the whole marketing strategy is how easy and forgiving it is.

Beer4TheBeerGod
Aug 23, 2004
Exciting Lemon

Harvey Mantaco posted:

I wish I liked the way these contrast paints looked but I just don't. I'm glad people are enjoying them though, because having paints that let people get stuff on the table quickly is a good thing for the hobby.

By themselves I agree the look isn't amazing. What sold me on them were the results artists were getting by combining contrast with a few highlights and other techniques.

Stephenls
Feb 21, 2013
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

By themselves I agree the look isn't amazing. What sold me on them were the results artists were getting by combining contrast with a few highlights and other techniques.

They look like they're going to be great foundations. Prime light grey, block in base colors with contrast, hit with satin varnish, then start doing detailing.

MinistryofLard
Mar 22, 2013


Goblin babies did nothing wrong.


Quick question regarding Kill teams in campaigns, since I'm about to play one;

Reading the rules, can you add as many specialists to your roster as you want at any time after your first mission with no restriction? Does this include right before another mission? Or is the only time you can do it right before a mission when choosing a kill team, and that if you add them to your roster you have to use them in the mission?

By my read you can do singu same with non specialists, they're just not part of your "fire team" unless there's a fire team member in the actual kill team for each one that isn't.

MinistryofLard fucked around with this message at 08:17 on Jun 9, 2019

crazystray
Aug 7, 2005
Grow or die.

Stephenls posted:

They look like they're going to be great foundations. Prime light grey, block in base colors with contrast, hit with satin varnish, then start doing detailing.

Why the satin varnish before the detail? Just curious as I haven't really used varnish for anything.

SpaceViking
Sep 2, 2011

Who put the stars in the sky? Coyote will say he did it himself, and it is not a lie.
Is the Stormtalon a good addition for a vanilla Space Marine army? I'm looking to start expanding out my vehicle selection.

Beer4TheBeerGod
Aug 23, 2004
Exciting Lemon

crazystray posted:

Why the satin varnish before the detail? Just curious as I haven't really used varnish for anything.

Makes it easier to clean up mistakes.

BaronVanAwesome
Sep 11, 2001

I will never learn the secrets of "Increased fake female boar sp..."

Never say never, buddy.
Now you know.
Now we all know.
Has anyone done a video about how different the cold vs warm primers are?

I want to do a massive skeleton army that’s been in a bucket for a year, and curious how the Bone contrast would look on the two different primers.

Also that magos purple looks awesome

Groetgaffel
Oct 30, 2011

Groetgaffel smacked the living shit out of himself doing 297 points of damage.

BaronVanAwesome posted:

Has anyone done a video about how different the cold vs warm primers are?

I want to do a massive skeleton army that’s been in a bucket for a year, and curious how the Bone contrast would look on the two different primers.

Also that magos purple looks awesome

Not a video, but very comprehensive.
https://imgur.com/a/DQhGB6T

BaronVanAwesome
Sep 11, 2001

I will never learn the secrets of "Increased fake female boar sp..."

Never say never, buddy.
Now you know.
Now we all know.

Groetgaffel posted:

Not a video, but very comprehensive.
https://imgur.com/a/DQhGB6T

Wow, way better than I expected, thanks for the link!

Ultra edit: I think I like the Wraithbone look the most for like 90% of those demos so I guess that’s what I’m buying

BaronVanAwesome fucked around with this message at 18:51 on Jun 9, 2019

Stephenls
Feb 21, 2013
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crazystray posted:

Why the satin varnish before the detail? Just curious as I haven't really used varnish for anything.

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

Makes it easier to clean up mistakes.

Makes it easier to clean up mistakes, yes, but also GW claims contrast paint layers tend to sit thinner on models -- one-tenth the average thickness of base paints according to that Science of Paint article (which has some dodgy claims about how oil paints are used, so it probably can't be entirely trusted, but still) -- and that this is why they've launched Stormshield matte varnish as part of the new technical line.

If I were doing a model with colors blocked out in contrast paints, I'd want to lay down a varnish layer between it and the next step just to ensure I don't accidentally scrape off some of the contrast while doing drybrushing or stippling or something. Paint doesn't like to stick to gloss varnish (which makes it great as a prelude to an all-over wash; it breaks the surface tension and helps the wash gather in the recesses), so it's not the best choice here, but I've found even really good matte varnish tends to apply a slightly rough texture that can affect the finish of paint applied over it. Look at way the metallic edge highlighting on this power claw has a bit of a tooth to it:



That's a Scale75 metallic paint lightly drybrushed over Vallejo Mecha Matte Varnish. So I wouldn't want to apply matte varnish over the contrast either.

Satin is a compromise. Other paint will stick to it, but it won't lend much of a texture to anything it sits under.

Stephenls fucked around with this message at 19:54 on Jun 9, 2019

JIZZ DENOUEMENT
Oct 3, 2012

STRIKE!

Groetgaffel posted:

Not a video, but very comprehensive.
https://imgur.com/a/DQhGB6T

This rules, thank you for the link.

This is super helpful for people. Some of the paints look pretty much identical over the different bases, but other paints look super different.

PierreTheMime
Dec 9, 2004

Hero of hormagaunts everywhere!
Buglord
I’m trying to figure out what make a nice Salamanders combo for the pile of Primaris I have laying around. Warp Lightning over Wraithbone might be my pick, but I’m open to suggestions.

darnon
Nov 8, 2009
Interesting how some of the colors like talassar blue or warp lightning "pop" more over the wraithbone versus the corax white.

TheBigAristotle
Feb 8, 2007

I'm tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money.
I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok.

Grimey Drawer

PierreTheMime posted:

I’m trying to figure out what make a nice Salamanders combo for the pile of Primaris I have laying around. Warp Lightning over Wraithbone might be my pick, but I’m open to suggestions.

I did ork flesh over both primers and thought they looked nice. But that extra bit of glow from Warp Lightning would probably be pretty cool, I was always more partial to a brighter green on Salamanders

adamantium|wang
Sep 14, 2003

Missing you
Found this on /tg:







Contrast looking good

E: f,b

adamantium|wang fucked around with this message at 23:58 on Jun 9, 2019

Stephenls
Feb 21, 2013
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adamantium|wang posted:

Found this on /tg:







Contrast looking good

Well that solves the problem of how I was going to make swatches for those.

(No, I'm not going to do that. I'm just going to save those pictures.)

PierreTheMime
Dec 9, 2004

Hero of hormagaunts everywhere!
Buglord
Might have to do Skeleton Horde and Blood Angels to batch a bunch of Kraken Termagants/Genestealers. Lots of new things to try.

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Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


I’m not a great painter by any means but is this just an ink that behaves thicker?

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