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drgitlin posted:I hope you realize the ID R was built (on a shoestring, btw) specifically to win Pikes Peak. There’s no point carrying more battery than you need, so why would they weigh it down with unnecessary kWh? ... yes that's kind of specifically my point. You have 20km of battery capacity on this thing and it does 6m-ish at the ring. The 80s vintage prototype 956 with about the same pace would do about 200km between stops. Neither was built to the bleeding edge - I mean, they sold 956s to customers. I could take my credit card and buy club race grade prototype cars with about the same pace. I just find the whole thing a bit depressing, the more I'm doing the math.
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Well when you hear say an Audi S1 at full howl .... they do have a point. It's far more of an experience to hear and feel the sound of an engine bellowing, rather than a mildly ear irritating whine. At some point were going to have fully electric top fuel dragsters burning megawatts of power down a quarter mile strip. Theres just not the same kind of emotion in an EV compared to an ICE. that vibration you feel in your chest, the rumbling and rolling crescendos of shifting and rev limits, the way you can still hear it long after it passes by, the untethered, beastly nature of it all. In the future car people will be like audiophiles and well be buying magical do nothing rocks to make our cars sound 'nicer' and we will be looked at with disdain and pity. I will miss the ICE when its gone, provided im not dead before then. But I still do hope that at some point we fix the battery energy density problem. Rigged Death Trap fucked around with this message at 21:31 on Jun 8, 2019 |
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Jun 8, 2019 21:26
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I await the point they burn so much electrical power the spill over radiation fucks with your central nervous system.
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mekilljoydammit posted:... yes that's kind of specifically my point. You have 20km of battery capacity on this thing and it does 6m-ish at the ring. The 80s vintage prototype 956 with about the same pace would do about 200km between stops. Neither was built to the bleeding edge - I mean, they sold 956s to customers. I could take my credit card and buy club race grade prototype cars with about the same pace. A lot needs to happen with energy density before a BEV race car could really compete with the 919 Hybrid.
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Powershift posted:https://www.govplanet.com/for-sale/...prm=&pnLink=yes Holy poo poo don't. The worst things ever and they only existed due to needing something to fit in the Osprey and not wanting to buy a more competent but foreign product. The short wheel base ones to tow the mortars are worse. Aye aye aye I can't even why would anybody want those pieces of garbage I still carry scars on my body from them arrrrghhhh.
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Does anyone have a link to the post that inspired the thread title? I can't find it.
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iospace posted:Does anyone have a link to the post that inspired the thread title? I can't find it. Your search-fu is weak, old man https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3502478&pagenumber=955&perpage=40#post491735544
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*snort* MKJD is just the best posterum excuse me posted:*Gestures at nearly 6:00 Nurburgring run* but...but...but. And everyone who ever gets to experience a Audi S1 doesnt care. See (hear/feel) the difference?
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drgitlin posted:A lot needs to happen with energy density before a BEV car could really compete with a petrol one. Generalizing your quote, that has been true the entire history of the automobile.
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mekilljoydammit posted:I just find it funny that of the two tools VW group is using to reset lap records, one was designed for flawless reliability at 24 hours of race pace and pretty much just has some rules mandated limiters removed to go take lap records... and the electric one generally can only muster about one lap or hillclimb run. It was built to do hill climbs and sprints. Gobs of torque on demand lends itself well to that. The problem is purists are threatened by new tech. Gas cars aren't going anywhere anymore than horse racing went away with the advent of the automobile. Or piston aircraft with the advent of jet engines. There will always be a place. Once we can get over that, maybe we can realize that supporting ventures like this is good for technological advancement to the point where maybe one day you can see full electric at Le Mans. All racing is good, whatever the form. um excuse me fucked around with this message at 00:28 on Jun 9, 2019 |
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The problem is that it's not new tech - there's a reason we haven't been driving electric cars the last hundred fifty years or so - and it seems to me that aside from demonstrating edge cases (an engine that doesn't need air at pikes peak is a big advantage) they're not doing a great job demonstrating that it's suddenly come a long way. After the performance at pikes peak, I was genuinely curious to see what the 'ring lap times would be like! And I was really hoping for more.
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FBS posted:Your search-fu is weak, old man https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3502478&pagenumber=955&perpage=40#post491735544 Thanks!
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um excuse me posted:The problem is purists are threatened by new tech. Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaah no we're not. Bring it on. I'm just going to watch something that tickles all five senses in my spare time tho
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If you have track time under your belt you can appreciate the car and want EV to succeed. If you want loud, go watch fireworks. The argument "let's see it do a dozen laps" is a stupid one. You wouldnt ask someone to take a dragster to a road course or an endurance car to a drag strip. The cars are designed for a certain kind of racing. This is just reinforcing that some* spectators are the worst. *Some spectators are awesome and understand the spirit of competition and how EV is a brand new mountain to conquer and that loud noises couldn't be much less relevant to that. um excuse me fucked around with this message at 03:17 on Jun 9, 2019 |
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What part of "I'm just really disappointed" isn't clear? VW made something purpose built to do 20km at full pace - OK not a full season LMP1H budget but not a beer budget either. So fine, obviously it does 20km. But the greater context... I was expecting more, not to be on par with something from 36 years ago that wasn't intended as a one lap wonder. Over and over I hear the BEV people going, well, OK it won't run 24 hours but mate, you just find some performance venue it'll do on one charge and it'll beat anything on earth! Except no, not really so much that either. I'm just going to be over here working on actual racing poo poo I can actually run at an actual budget I actually have. Feel free to wait for hypothetically some breakthrough in something whereby people of budget smaller than an OEM can race them, I don't see much future in it the way BEV stuff is going.
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um excuse me posted:If you have track time under your belt you can appreciate the car and want EV to succeed Now I know how much of a stupid dickhead I sounded like when I was rallying 24/7 and using the same LOL YOU DONT RACE comments a few years ago quote:This is just reinforcing that some* spectators are the worst. Yeah nah, it just reinforces when I tried to pull the same kind of comments years ago about NASCAR spectactors, it wasn't the NSACAR watchers that were the idiots. As I said, I welcome the future racers and I'll be making them myself. I just wont be watching. CAT INTERCEPTOR fucked around with this message at 07:58 on Jun 9, 2019 |
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Jun 9, 2019 07:56
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 This picture comes with sound.
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Powershift posted:
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Can someone help these gentlemen get their dragsters untangled?
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surely we can figure some way to massage the sound of EV motor whine into something more interesting
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No need, it already sounds great.
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KozmoNaut posted:No need, it already sounds great.
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I really don't understand what the "well it only sets a lap time similar to something else 36 years ago could do" argument is attempting to accomplish. Surely there are other forces at work when it come to nurburgring lap times and a car can only go around it so fast wrt grip/downforce/etc. regardless of what is powering the car
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Scionix posted:surely we can figure some way to massage the sound of EV motor whine into something more interesting Well they will have to emit a warning sound at slow speed. So halfway there.
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I still think they should make a TIE fighter scream.
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Thunder rumbling in the distance, then a loud thunderclap when you floor it.
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Grakkus posted:I still think they should make a TIE fighter scream. If you ever go to a Formula E race that’s exactly what it sounds like.
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fridge corn posted:I really don't understand what the "well it only sets a lap time similar to something else 36 years ago could do" argument is attempting to accomplish. Surely there are other forces at work when it come to nurburgring lap times and a car can only go around it so fast wrt grip/downforce/etc. regardless of what is powering the car Tires have come along massively - modern 200TW street tires are probably roughly equivalent to 80s slicks. Downforce generation has come along massively - in the 80s they were basically inventing underbody based downforce and nowadays it's proven out enough you can best-guess shapes and get pretty close, much less what happens if you use any CFD. Shock absorbers, dampers, brakes, computer controls, chassis structures... When they took the 919 out (which was not intended as a one lap wonder) it beat the 80s lap record by 50 seconds. VW group had all of that data handy; the ID-R should be able to be that much more extreme because it doesn't have any of the compromises necessary to do more than 20km on a charge, nor was it ever built to any rules. And yet...
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Price is Right losing horn.
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god if i ever get to the point of purchasing an EV that would be the first hack to do to it, open source noise emitter that does mp3s or wavs or something. change that poo poo up depending on my mood
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The aftermarket car audio stuff has a renaissance. Ironically your Rockford Fosgate 1,000 watt amp to make your EV sound good now limits driving capacity to 40 miles.
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thats what the towed supercharged ls1 engine is for, to constantly run and keep the car topped up yo.
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I would prefer a large Cummins coupled with a generator.
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i dont know poo poo about diesels 
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"New technology B is currently not as good as old technology A. Therefore, we should put no development resources into new technology B."
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KillHour posted:"New technology B is currently not as good as old technology A. Therefore, we should put no development resources into new technology B." Okay Mr President.
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KillHour posted:"New technology B is currently not as good as old technology A. Therefore, we should put no development resources into new technology B." I see your point, however... There's something to be said for letting technology develop a bit more before getting too excited about it's potential
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