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The government does not respect your liberties and you must defend yourself, except you are More like oldtarpless E: oh poo poo I got a terrible snipe
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I'm halfway through Ever Decreasing Circles' second season, and I like that Paul is a flawed character - he is the exact opposite of Martin, who is jealous, petty, obsessive, controlling, humourless... and STABLE. Paul is unstable. Paul can't commit to anything, to the extent that it hurts his personal life. He excels at something, quickly grows bored and quits to do something else, something that has driven his wife away from him, and he hasn't even waited for the divorce to be served before jumping into bed with other women. He is an awful person too, but in a very different way.
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This is actually the complete opposite of the point of the thread, but rewatching Friends I was surprised how progressive some of it was. The very first episode had Ross's wife leave him for.another woman, and it's more or less treated exactly the same as if she left him for a man. Carol and Susan's relationship for the most part was handled really well. And for all the jokes about Chandler's Dad, when he showed up it was actually quite sweet. For content though, male homosexuality is still treated with the same gay panic as most other 90s shows.
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The rule of heteronormativity is that lesbianism is fine as long as they're "hot." That's why a teenybopper show like Buffy can get away with an on-screen lesbian kiss (done with as much class as one would expect from Whedon) but a sitcom with a male couple front-and-center like Modern Family won't have them do PDA until the background of like, the fourth season.
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Also a bit behind but Fellowship of the Ring is the only "good" Lord of the Rings movie, in the sense that it has a satisfying structure and the CGI isn't as prominent. Even then it still suffers from major shaky-cam in the Mines of Moria brawl.
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mind the walrus posted:The rule of heteronormativity is that lesbianism is fine as long as they're "hot." Didnt Angel & Spike gently caress eventually? I think that was on Angel though and of course, off screen in a flashback. Also I'm pretty sure Angel/Spike/Dru/Darla had a poly thing going on back in the day lmao
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Jun 8, 2019 16:50
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Koalas March posted:Didnt Angel & Spike gently caress eventually? I think that was on Angel though and of course, off screen in a flashback. Also I'm pretty sure Angel/Spike/Dru/Darla had a poly thing going on back in the day lmao Yeah, it's kind of like an off-hand remark about something that happened a long time ago and definitely, absolutely off-screen.
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The Angel/Spike stuff is all subtext and offhand, buried way deep in lore extrapolation, even if it's obvious something happened at one point or another. The lesbian stuff, or like Darla/Drusilla grinding on each other, is out and proud because "hot." To say nothing of Xander's constant gay panic in the first few seasons. Homeboy had a mad crush on Oz. Apparently Whedon did the equivalent of flipping a coin in deciding whether to make Xander or Willow gay in the fourth season, and you can see that either choice would have had sufficient foreshadowing.
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To be fair, iirc the first lesbian kiss shown on Buffy was Tara comforting Willow who was distraught in the aftermath of Joyce's death. It wasn't salacious, it was sweet. I don't really remember but I'm sure it all fell off a cliff after that.
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I wasn't being sarcastic. Whedon was about as classy as you could expect him to be-- it was a panicked kiss for comfort, affection, reclaiming, etc. It was very sweet and not sexualized at all, but it still had that calculated stink that a lot of his more "witty" creative choices do.
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Jun 8, 2019 21:56
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Deep Space 9 had to cheat with space magic to justify a lesbian kiss and still falling under 'they're hot'. Oddly enough a series tradition given Kirk and Uhura's kiss in TOS also needed space magic and Shatner deliberately screwing up every almost-kiss take.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Deep Space 9 had to cheat with space magic to justify a lesbian kiss and still falling under 'they're hot'. TNG had a similar thing with Frakes being down with kissing a bloke but the studio vetoed it.
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The one decent thing Shatner ever did. Except he probably did it because he didn’t want people thinking he would ever fail at kissing a lady.
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Jun 9, 2019 18:09
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Heck after Ellen came out the episode where she actually kisses a girl had to air with a warning. Network Standards and Practices often are pretty conservative.
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:The one decent thing Shatner ever did. Except he probably did it because he didn’t want people thinking he would ever fail at kissing a lady. In an interview at the time he said he just visualised her as another alien he had to kiss. “I’d already kissed a green girl, a black one wasn’t difficult for an actor of my experience”. * *This interview took place in my head, in 1968, while the whole cast were dressed in kaftans lying on beanbags and lit up on qualuudes and primo ganja.
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Jun 9, 2019 19:01
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Doctor Spaceman posted:TNG had a similar thing with Frakes being down with kissing a bloke but the studio vetoed it. Maxwell Lord posted:Heck after Ellen came out the episode where she actually kisses a girl had to air with a warning. Network Standards and Practices often are pretty conservative. Jesus christ.
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Jun 9, 2019 19:28
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The DS9 documentary that just came out was pretty good, had the showrunner outright admit they should have handled LGBT issues better.
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mind the walrus posted:Also a bit behind but Fellowship of the Ring is the only "good" Lord of the Rings movie, in the sense that it has a satisfying structure and the CGI isn't as prominent. Even then it still suffers from major shaky-cam in the Mines of Moria brawl. I don't necessarily agree 100% but the major battle scenes in 2 and 3 really did scream "LOOK HOW MUCH MONEY WE'RE SPENDING!" and while cool, fun set pieces to watch if you looked away for 10 minutes to check your phone you don't miss anything of substance.
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mind the walrus posted:TNG-ENT Is that the Pulaski spin-off no one wanted?
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GoutPatrol posted:Is that the Pulaski spin-off no one wanted? I'd watch a Dr Pulaski show. I'm thinking something like House MD but in space.
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Tiggum posted:I'd watch a Dr Pulaski show. I'm thinking something like House MD but in space. It’s a redubbing of Zoidberg’s lines, by House. Nothing else changed.
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Mercy Point aired for a few episodes in the late 90s - got cancelled after only one or two had aired because UPN didn't want to air series that actually cost money. I remember it as being OK but not as good as an abstract potential TV series based on the Sector General novels b/c it was far too human orientated.
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mind the walrus posted:Yeah a Starfleet Medical melodrama would be Why though? They just wave flashing whirring doodads over people and then they're magically cured
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Mashing up the inherent goofy bullshit of Star Trek with the inherent vanity of a medical drama would be funny.
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Barry Foster posted:Why though? They just wave flashing whirring doodads over people and then they're magically cured That's pretty much how medicine worked in House MD too.
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Barry Foster posted:Why though? They just wave flashing whirring doodads over people and then they're magically cured So we're just talking about taking that one Mitchell and Webb sketch about the half-assed medical drama and giving it a sci-fi coat of paint? I can get behind that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_AmdvxbPT8
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Full disclosure I've never watched a medical drama (unless Scrubs counts)
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Barry Foster posted:Full disclosure I've never watched a medical drama (unless Scrubs counts) Well it certainly wasn't funny.
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Tiggum posted:I'd watch a Dr Pulaski show. I'm thinking something like House MD but in space. I say this because I am trying to watch TNG all the way through for the first time and Beverly Crusher is so much better.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CN8DjUAS45Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbCnATqgZW4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMKz1jvEo4I This is the only medical drama that the world needs. BrigadierSensible has a new favorite as of 13:11 on Jun 10, 2019 |
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"What if we recreated the dynamic between Spock and Bones, but one of them is essentially a child who never fights back? Yeah that sounds like a recipe for a beloved new character, I want fifteen pages of her bullying this autistic robot by tomorrow morning"
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Tiggum posted:I'd watch a Dr Pulaski show. I'm thinking something like House MD but in space. I loved Pulaski. I came to ST super late (I only watched TOS and TNG, like, three years ago) so I was already sort of aware of the extra-textual stuff, but man, Pulaski was just lightning in a bottle. It's a pity she had a bad experience because hot drat she would have been awesome on DS9. e: ^^^ welp
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BrigadierSensible posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CN8DjUAS45Y I don't understand how you could be so mistaken https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EkN8WtFTpE
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pentyne posted:I don't necessarily agree 100% but the major battle scenes in 2 and 3 really did scream "LOOK HOW MUCH MONEY WE'RE SPENDING!" and while cool, fun set pieces to watch if you looked away for 10 minutes to check your phone you don't miss anything of substance. At least the LotR Trillogy is good enough to watch all the way though, you can't really say that about The Hobbit
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Iron Crowned posted:At least the LotR Trillogy is good enough to watch all the way though, you can't really say that about The Hobbit The extended edition of The Battle of Five Armies has a section where Balin mows down a group of orcs using a chain crossbow launcher on the back of a chariot while unconvincingly saying that he's too old for this poo poo. I appreciated gloriously stupid poo poo like that a lot compared to loving Alfrid and his fake breasts or that loving golden statue at the end of the second movie. Doctor Spaceman has a new favorite as of 13:52 on Jun 10, 2019 |
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Absurd Alhazred posted:I don't understand how you could be so mistaken Thank you, was phone posting when I read that and losing my mind because I couldn't correct that heinous lie.
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Big Mad Drongo posted:Thank you, was phone posting when I read that and losing my mind because I couldn't correct that heinous lie.  
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GoutPatrol posted:I say this because I am trying to watch TNG all the way through for the first time and Beverly Crusher is so much better.
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Scrubs iirc was basically the most accurate medical drama in among other things that 99% of the time medicine is pretty rote, a shitload of patients die, often inevitably, and most actual medical issues are dealing with new depths of stupidity like the guy who put a light bulb up his rear end. Starfleet Medical would probably have endless material in bizarre alien conditions and also dealing with the aftermath of your average Star Trek episode.
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