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Star Guarded posted:Hey folks. My close friend who was the coder on bball tactics wanted to chime in with his own story about development, after reading through the thread. I'm posting it for him because he doesn't have an SA account. Note that I am not the coder of bball tactics. please tell me that this is integrated into the source
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babypolis posted:probably because they wanted the game to have quest and dialog systems and that doesnt really jive with tactical gameplay. Just finished Avernum 2 and that's tactical enough while having quests and dialogue.
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Groovelord Neato posted:it really is bizarre that the guy comes up with this tactics thing and doesn't think hmmm let's make this the rpg's combat. Add in all the gun'z and you can completely avoid the 'run backwards all the time' problem. Barkley-com.
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super sweet best pal posted:Just finished Avernum 2 and that's tactical enough while having quests and dialogue. Lunchmeat Larry posted:that's... not really the case. Original Sin etc those are good counterexamples but also those games are more in the D&D mold, doesnt seem like the style that this game was trying to ape
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now im imagining a Barkley Baldurs Gate type game and feeling sad
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Star Guarded posted:Hey folks. My close friend who was the coder on bball tactics wanted to chime in with his own story about development, after reading through the thread. I'm posting it for him because he doesn't have an SA account. Note that I am not the coder of bball tactics. TTX is good and solid. I agree with Pasty that it could easily have been the game's combat and the game would have been orders of magnitude better for it. And maybe even done by now. I'm as surprised as you are that you were not asked to help out on B2 itself. When I asked about it, I was told very specifically that you had said you had no interest in working on B2 itself, due to reasons regarding the hiring process and salary situation that was going on at the time. So this was pitched to me, and I think to everyone else, as a way to get some ToG and/or B2 support from someone who would love to help out but didn't want to work on the main game. Much of this was of course communicated in private messages and other 'back channels' while team-wide discussions about it were quickly and fiercely brushed away or moved to a corner so that no one could connect the dots. Asking someone to spend 1,100 hours on what turned out to be a side minigame is frankly just a disaster. Good on you Pasty for actually tracking your hours! Deciding to dedicate resources to a side game when your main game is struggling was also a ridiculously questionable move, which we did question. Aside from what Pasty mentions of this actually being a huge time sink away from B2, it also involved other squad members, notably Frankie for art but also playtesting, trying to figure out how to get it into the game, quest stuff, etc. Claiming this would be its own app game with its own revenue stream, which Pasty has surely been promised revenue percentages of but which there is no way for me to know because those deals were the exact opposite of transparent, is also another now-known-to-be-classic Liam deception tactic to get people to put in unpaid hours to accomplish his fever dream. Knowing Liam and what has come up so far from other corners, it sounds like the 2015 'shocker' of it not being released before B2 was actually always the plan, and also handled such a way as to pressure yet another person into spending more hours on B2 unpaid. Bisse fucked around with this message at 14:05 on Jun 10, 2019 |
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Bisse posted:Claiming this would be its own app game with its own revenue stream, which Pasty has surely been promised revenue percentages of, is also another now-known-to-be-classic Liam deception tactic to get people to put in unpaid hours to accomplish his fever dream. Knowing Liam and what has come up so far from other corners, the 2015 'shocker' of it not being released before B2 was actually always the plan, and also handled such a way as to pressure yet another person into spending more hours on B2 unpaid. hosed up if true
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babypolis posted:now im imagining a Barkley Baldurs Gate type game and feeling sad
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DACK FAYDEN posted:Barkdur's Gate would own Baller's gate
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Sleeveless posted:otherkin were never really a thing and was always just a few weird but harmless teenagers roleplaying online being signal boosted and taken very seriously by the guys who thought South Park doing an episode about how being trans and turning yourself into a dolphin were literally the same thing was The Good poo poo more specifically, otherkin were started as a channer mockery/attack on trans people, with true believers then coming forward and taking it seriously like tends to happen with ironic stuff. that's why there are those oddly specific parallels in the first place. it was essentially an attack helicopter joke with furry flavor but it ended up resonating with some furries for whatever reason.
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Somfin posted:That was 15 years ago, most of us have grown up a bit in that time I don’t think most people have grown out of laughing at weirdos, the weirdos are just nazis now. Honestly though if someone thinks they’re too mature to laugh at Deviantart car-loving porn then quite frankly I don’t wanna know them. CYBEReris posted:more specifically, otherkin were started as a channer mockery/attack on trans people, with true believers then coming forward and taking it seriously like tends to happen with ironic stuff. that's why there are those oddly specific parallels in the first place. it was essentially an attack helicopter joke with furry flavor but it ended up resonating with some furries for whatever reason. That’s complete and utter bullshit. 4chan wasn’t even around when this stuff was in full swing and I’ve met other kin IRL. I don’t doubt there were channers using it that way but people believing they’re animals and anime characters and “classical” furries were a thing before SA.
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Hitlersaurus Christ posted:I don’t think most people have grown out of laughing at weirdos, the weirdos are just nazis now. Let's not forget the Final Fantasy House.
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ilmucche posted:Baller's gate "Heya! It's me, Cyberdwarf!"
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Heya, it's me, Olajuwon!
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Hitlersaurus Christ posted:That’s complete and utter bullshit. 4chan wasn’t even around when this stuff was in full swing and I’ve met other kin IRL. I don’t doubt there were channers using it that way but people believing they’re animals and anime characters and “classical” furries were a thing before SA. That's fair, "started" was the wrong way to put it, but I know they were responsible for it entering the internet's consciousness by making large numbers of fake accounts on tumblr, etc. and conflating it as much as possible with trans people in an attempt to mock them since I was a self-hating kid and saw them talking about how they did it. Catgirl Al Capone fucked around with this message at 14:32 on Jun 10, 2019 |
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super sweet best pal posted:Let's not forget the Final Fantasy House. I was thinking of that the whole time, lol
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CYBEReris posted:That's fair, "started" was the wrong way to put it, but I know they were responsible for it entering the internet's consciousness by making large numbers of fake accounts on tumblr and conflating it as much as possible with trans people in an attempt to mock them since I was a self-hating kid and saw them talking about how they did it. They were in the internets consciousness way and eventually out of it again wayyyy before Tumblr was a thing. Plenty of weekend web stuff and awful links of the day before social media was even around. I’m not familiar with Tumblr as a community so I’ll take your word for it that there was a resurgence there. Hitlersaurus Christ fucked around with this message at 14:37 on Jun 10, 2019 |
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I might be confusing Tumblr with LiveJournal, DeviantArt, or both. it was something like 12-14 years ago so 
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Otherkin was definitely a bbs thing in the 80s except back then it was all vampire elf atlantis kinda stuff
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nowadays you call yourself a half ogre kitsune people just think youre skrekposting
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DACK FAYDEN posted:Barkdur's Gate would own ilmucche posted:Baller's gate Barkleys Gate 2: Throne of Bball
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Tiler Kiwi posted:nowadays you call yourself a half ogre kitsune people just think youre skrekposting The Shrekmono came before Shrek became a huge meme. Barkley was a trendsetter if nothing else!
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A lot of internet memes can be traced in a vestigial state to cboy and crew. Imagining an NBA Jam cabinet where, if you entered the code that lets you play the 3d vector tank battle game, it instead boots into Barkley SUAJG and smiling.
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"neo-shekels" is punching up
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Somfin posted:That was 15 years ago, most of us have grown up a bit in that time That's an extremely generous term for it.
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Is there a good punchy neologism for development that's less "flower blooming" and more "spoiling leftovers in the back of your fridge"?
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ilmucche posted:Baller's gate Dunkgeons and Drakerz
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Anonymous Robot posted:A lot of internet memes can be traced in a vestigial state to cboy and crew. The guy who made NBA Jam is one of the big Zynga guys now and is also responsible for Night Trap, he's one of the most powerful men in gaming
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I'm gonna be honest, I don't really get why the Gearbox DNF route is off the table. Like, it sounds like enough of Barkley 2 is done that ToG could totally just polish up what's done, make some quick and dirty placeholder content to fill in the gaps, and just release it that way while being very upfront that the game is incomplete and unfinished (but that the alternative is no B2, period). I think people would prefer that to a cancellation, you know?
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There’s no reason to do that when you can release the already feature-complete demo that reasonably represents the designers’ vision and what was accomplished to a polished state. Why lazarus it with unfunny jokes and poochie returning to his home planet?
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I want to know every detail of the periodic table of gun elements
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Uncle Wemus posted:I want to know every detail of the periodic table of gun elements Gunium
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Uncle Wemus posted:I want to know every detail of the periodic table of gun elements you already do. you just need to unlock it...
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Okay, one last cool thing, from the bball tactics guy (click here for his thoughts on all this). Here's his development journal for bball tactics. Just to set expectations, this isn't a super professional design document done in powerpoint. It's just his scratch paper while he was working out problems, basically. Like anyone's personal notes, some of it is a bit impenetrable, but some of you might find it pretty cool like I did.  Here's the link: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GxNNYQhMckDvBxIQGQTBhOr_eyUvlhpS/view?usp=sharing
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Star Guarded posted:Okay, one last cool thing, from the bball tactics guy (click here for his thoughts on all this). holy poo poo
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