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Furnaceface posted:Albexit and Cascadia. It'll be like Venezuela but successful and capitalist!
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Argas posted:It'll be like Venezuela but successful and capitalist! My favourite is still Alberta thinking they could just be their own country while being landlocked and 100% reliant on exports.
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Jun 11, 2019 02:02
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Furnaceface posted:My favourite is still Alberta thinking they could just be their own country while being landlocked and 100% reliant on exports. Yeah I feel like a lot of this is being driven by people who remember Quebec in the 90's and thinking "look at all they got, we can get that too!" and not quite realizing that Quebec as an independent nation would be a LOT more viable than Alberta. Like, there's just no reason for the federal government to take it seriously because even if they did separate they'd basically come crawling back in a year when their economy crashes.
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Jun 11, 2019 02:04
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Furnaceface posted:Albexit and Cascadia. I'd love to see BC turn into an isolationist state focused on sustainablity, local resilience to rapidly shifting climate conditions, and a green economy with minimal industrial-scale resource extraction (while dumping anyone who disagrees with this plan out in the cold foothills of Alberta), but I'm quite aware that secession would mean an immediate invasion by either America or China - to whom we represent a paradise of wealth to be extracted. It's much better to remain in Confederation and fight the insanity leaking across the rockies tooth and nail.
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Jun 11, 2019 02:18
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A United BC, Washington State and Oregon would be pretty dope imo.
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Jun 11, 2019 02:21
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I mean, it would be white as gently caress but we can work through it.
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Jun 11, 2019 02:22
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As a Nova Scotian HELP
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Jun 11, 2019 02:26
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It took kidnappings of government ministers before quebexit was taken seriously. Get on it, Alberta.
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Jun 11, 2019 02:42
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Birudojin posted:https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/government-to-ban-single-use-plastics-by-2021-1.5168386 Cool I guess though it kind of feels like a distraction and waste of time at the moment when we really need to be focusing on CO2 emissions. I mean isn't the largest amount of plastic in the ocean actually from fishing rigs, not consumer products? My concern with this sort of policy is that we'll see action on CO2 emissions and reduction of plastics being conflated under the same 'environment' banner, but these two issues don't have the same weighting of importance at all. On top of this disability rights activists have noted many times a strong opposition to a straw ban because of how useful straws are for people with limited mobility and the lack of good alternatives.
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Jun 11, 2019 03:01
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The trouble with cities in Canada
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Reality Sinner posted:It took kidnappings of government ministers before quebexit was taken seriously. Get on it, Alberta. Would you want to have to spend time with them if you kidnapped them? Who is really trapped in there with whom?
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Jun 11, 2019 03:44
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Argas posted:In case it wasn't obvious, there has been an uptick in rich people going "UBI...good?" in recent years.
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Jun 11, 2019 04:03
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Secession requires a massive selling of bonds to get the new country going and is basically guaranteed to cause bankruptcy within five years.
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Jun 11, 2019 05:26
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Just have your new nation refuse to engage in anything resembling modern economic theory, my dude. There's a vast world of theoretical alternatives to be explored which render the traditional debt cycle meaningless.
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Jun 11, 2019 06:09
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infernal machines posted:And yet the Province's counsel chose to make that argument. They might have done so because the Ontario Superior Court's decision made that argument, but I doubt it's actually necessary. The finding that "voting is an expressive activity...fully protected under s. 2(b) of the Charter" cites Haig, but in Haig, the Supreme Court did not find that to be the case. The Cheshire Cat posted:they'd basically come crawling back in a year when their economy crashes. And how is this different from the status quo?
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Jun 11, 2019 06:20
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cowofwar posted:Secession requires a massive selling of bonds to get the new country going and is basically guaranteed to cause bankruptcy within five years. But Quebec was going to keep using the CAD after separation. Check and mate my friend.
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Jun 11, 2019 06:37
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love too not have control over my own monetary policy
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Jun 11, 2019 06:45
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Rime posted:Just have your new nation refuse to engage in anything resembling modern economic theory, my dude. There's a vast world of theoretical alternatives to be explored which render the traditional debt cycle meaningless. True, but I feel like Alberta of all places is probably not where that's going to catch on.
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Jun 11, 2019 06:54
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Obviously conditions are very different today but its interesting to note that Social Credit actually started out as a sort of MMT style theory of money, credit and government finances, though I think a lot of the inherent radicalism had been diluted by the time they were in power.
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tagesschau posted:They might have done so because the Ontario Superior Court's decision made that argument, but I doubt it's actually necessary. The finding that "voting is an expressive activity...fully protected under s. 2(b) of the Charter" cites Haig, but in Haig, the Supreme Court did not find that to be the case. https://twitter.com/jpags/status/1138454736301121536 A justice on the panel finally decided to ask where's the beef? e: Yo boy is up. https://twitter.com/jpags/status/1138458279682686977 infernal machines fucked around with this message at 15:51 on Jun 11, 2019 |
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Jun 11, 2019 15:45
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Helsing posted:Obviously conditions are very different today but its interesting to note that Social Credit actually started out as a sort of MMT style theory of money, credit and government finances, though I think a lot of the inherent radicalism had been diluted by the time they were in power. WAC's BC SoCreds would be getting labelled communists if he were in power today. Crazy how far the window has shifted.
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Jun 11, 2019 16:00
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infernal machines posted:Some entertaining takes on the plastics ban today Wait a second, you mean all along I could have helped to install pure socialism by asking the waitress to not put a straw in my drink? Dammit.
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Jun 11, 2019 16:06
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Well now I feel less bad for having made that same mistake
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Jun 11, 2019 16:28
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The tl;dr is you effectively have no rights to anything at the municipal level, and this has always been the case. To the extent that you have any representation there it's for the convenience of the province.
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Jun 11, 2019 16:31
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I had a doorknocker come by on the weekend for the Conservative candidate in the federal election. How much loving money do they have to burn if they're already running door to door? Also: is it even legal to go doorknocking when there's no election called? (My three-year-old came to the door when I was talking to the guy about climate change, yelled I HAVE TO POOP and slammed the door in his face. My kid is better at dealing with politics than I am.)
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Jun 11, 2019 21:08
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Albino Squirrel posted:I had a doorknocker come by on the weekend for the Conservative candidate in the federal election. How much loving money do they have to burn if they're already running door to door? Also: is it even legal to go doorknocking when there's no election called? A. Not much. Doorknockers are pretty cheap if you get in bulk pre-writ, and also door to door is mostly vols. B. Yes it is. It's called canvassing, and it usually starts a year or so before the election.
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Jun 11, 2019 21:40
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Just another day's news in BC: https://twitter.com/scoopercooper/status/1138390381161308160?s=19 https://twitter.com/scoopercooper/status/1138435599248035841?s=19 https://twitter.com/scoopercooper/status/1138469895853813763?s=19 Liberal MP, but I'm pretty sure I remember this guy running for Reform back in the day and getting a bunch of press for crossing the floor... so he gets around. James Baud fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Jun 11, 2019 |
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Jun 11, 2019 21:41
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Because we live in hellworld I'm half expecting that all these revelations about money laundering are just going to normalize the concept, and that the more BC Liberal voters hear about these double dealings the more they'll just adjust their beliefs to view them as normal and unproblematic. If the anecdotes I hear about BC home owners more or less openly saying "yeah there's money laundering inflating home prices but that's a good thing!" then this process is already started.
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Jun 11, 2019 21:49
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If successful people in China and elsewhere don't want their local oppressive big government taxing them to death we should welcome them investing their money here and driving are economy.
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James Baud posted:Just another day's news in BC: As a member of a self-regulating profession: do not let professions self regulate.
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Jun 11, 2019 22:32
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Helsing posted:Because we live in hellworld I'm half expecting that all these revelations about money laundering are just going to normalize the concept, and that the more BC Liberal voters hear about these double dealings the more they'll just adjust their beliefs to view them as normal and unproblematic. If the anecdotes I hear about BC home owners more or less openly saying "yeah there's money laundering inflating home prices but that's a good thing!" then this process is already started. It is important to remember that BC is essentially a collection of get-rich-quick schemes that have somehow gained a seat during confederation. If you open up any of our papers you will see various complaints about how this (investigation into drug dealers laundering billions) is bad for our local Lamborghini dealerS and maybe we should rethink the whole thing.
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Jun 11, 2019 23:00
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Isn't it hosed up that the government takes your money and then to get your tax return they make you send them paperwork through their own courier which is also poo poo?
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Jun 11, 2019 23:28
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Baronjutter posted:If successful people in China and elsewhere don't want their local oppressive big government taxing them to death we should welcome them investing their money here and driving are economy. The Chinese are very private about their money. This law goes against our culture.
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Jun 11, 2019 23:31
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During National Public Service week, the UCP have decided that the best way to celebrate their employees is by potentially breaking public sector contracts: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alberta-contracts-public-sector-unions-ucp-government-1.5171343.
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Jun 11, 2019 23:34
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Reality Sinner posted:It took kidnappings of government ministers before quebexit was taken seriously. Get on it, Alberta. The'll have to find a foreign diplomatic staff guy too for it to gain traction imo.
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Jun 12, 2019 02:39
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ocrumsprug posted:It is important to remember that BC is essentially a collection of get-rich-quick schemes that have somehow gained a seat during confederation. It's been a land of grift since day 1... 1850: What if, instead of negotiating in good faith, we offer all the native people here a handful of trinkets in exchange for all their land in a deal they don't even fully understand, after their populations have been decimated? 1880: What if, instead of paying white workers reasonable wages to build a railway to the coast under hellish conditions, we allow desperate Chinese people to immigrate here, pay them a pittance, make them live in ghettos, AND charge them an entrance fee to even get off the boat? And that's just the first half of chapter 1...
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Jun 12, 2019 02:58
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It's pandering, but it's more useful pandering than "buck-a-beer". 
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Jun 12, 2019 03:18
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1872: What if we elect as our premier a man who calls himself "lover of the universe" and has a deep phobia of electricity.
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Entropic posted:It's pandering, but it's more useful pandering than "buck-a-beer". TBH I'd save far more on dollar beers than I would getting 10 bucks/month off my cell phone plan, though that's probably more a reflection on my poor lifestyle choices than anything else.
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Rime posted:1872: What if we elect as our premier a man who calls himself "lover of the universe" and has a deep phobia of electricity. We regret to inform you that the "lover of the universe" is a racist.  Also it's 1872 so everyone is racist anyway, so that's really not a big deal at all. edit: I'll throw "You won't drink whiskey, and talk politics and vote like us." into the running for future thread titles. The Butcher fucked around with this message at 03:28 on Jun 12, 2019 |
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