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CharlestheHammer posted:You can’t really have a mafia state as they are completely defined by their relationship to the state. Well it's certainly a vexed term and one diluted by overuse. But in any case mafia in that usage is synecdochic. Litvinenko wasn't specifically talking about Francesco Cuccia or whoever traveling through time and space to late 90s Russia.
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Blockhouse posted:There's a lot of valid criticism to give some of Sarkeesian's lameass Feminism 101-esque takes but anyone who still "hates" her in 2019 is probably a shithead yeah There's plenty to critique her for if you're really interested in doing so but there's very little to get mad about. She's just some lady who talks about media in a boring way and has been the target of death threats and targeted harassment.
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The worst thing to say about Anita is her videos are babbies first feminist critique and that dude she works with is dumb as a sack of potatoes and comes off like a parody of the left.
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Yeah, the most amusing thing about her videos is that honestly they're pretty basic stuff. All they did by freaking out about it was give more attention to what probably otherwise would have been a relatively mild criticism series. (Not to devalue the actual real-life harm caused to people and associated with her by the crazy people. Just saying the crazy people did the exact opposite of their intentions.)
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ImpAtom posted:Yeah, the most amusing thing about her videos is that honestly they're pretty basic stuff. All they did by freaking out about it was give more attention to what probably otherwise would have been a relatively mild criticism series. Not so sure that's true; while they did give her a lot more exposure, they also made her into sort of an example of what happens to people who they don't approve of. Basically, they showed that even relatively mild criticism would be met with screaming and hollering and threatening and the gnashing of teeth. They sent a message: "This is what happens if you speak out". The fact that the chuds were able to rile up that many people to try to ruin her life over essentially nothing is slightly terrifying. Which I think is part of the message they wanted to send. Sure, she's more famous because of them; but I figure at least a few voices were silenced by fear of retaliation from her example. Thankfully, not everyone, but just because they seem to inadvertently shove someone into the spotlight, it doesn't mean things backfired. I'm terrible at explaining my view, I hope someone understand what I mean.
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Archyduchess posted:If the worst thing you can say about her videos is that they are somewhat elementary and introductory in order to reach people unfamiliar at all with feminism, maybe it isn't worth saying in the ComicsGate/Industry Terribleness Thread. 
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Archyduchess posted:If the worst thing you can say about her videos is that they are somewhat elementary and introductory in order to reach people unfamiliar at all with feminism, maybe it isn't worth saying in the ComicsGate/Industry Terribleness Thread. Yes, thank you. It's good to have basic stuff out there to introduce new concepts to people. EDIT: also i made a city of heroes character names Antifa Sarkeesian so there's that.
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Soonmot posted:EDIT: also i made a city of heroes character names Antifa Sarkeesian so there's that. I'm stealing that.
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https://twitter.com/ZachViana/status/1138583345263198209?s=19 If you don't remember, Umbrella Guy claimed Renfamous doxxed him and his children and encouraged people to call CPS on him.
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Oh jesus gently caress no Anime Matsuri? Unless he's somehow traveling for one of the worse local cons out there (and a particularly disgraced one recently), I live near this ballsack 
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:Oh jesus gently caress no Anime Matsuri? Unless he's somehow traveling for one of the worse local cons out there (and a particularly disgraced one recently), I live near this ballsack Let's be real though, you live near a whole ton of dudes who are much worse than that guy, they just have more decorum.
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In case people were still questioning if Max Landis is a piece of poo poo. https://twitter.com/TweetneyMoore/status/1138546936489881600
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:Oh jesus gently caress no Anime Matsuri? Unless he's somehow traveling for one of the worse local cons out there (and a particularly disgraced one recently), I live near this ballsack TUG made sure to thank one of the co-heads of Matsuri for making him feel welcome, who is also the one who enables her husband to be a sex pest. Warms the heart.
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I'm utterly shocked that Max Landis is a piece of poo poo. Nobody could have seen that coming.
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X-O posted:I'm utterly shocked that Max Landis is a piece of poo poo. Nobody could have seen that coming. This isn't even new, it's just that last time didn't stick.
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I mean what is Max Landis even doing now. Shooting lovely indie movies with his dads money Can’t kill that
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Lurdiak posted:This isn't even new, it's just that last time didn't stick. Yeah. He went radio silent for ages and waited for it to blow over. I wonder how many of the women on 'Wrestling Isn't Wrestling' he sexually harassed. If the answer was 'all of them' I wouldn't be shocked.
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Be a huge shame if somebody stabbed him in the dick. Edit: I'm over pacifism by the way. I tried. I tried so goddamned hard to be better than these assholes. But that poo poo doesn't work anymore. Sometimes violence is the only answer.
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CharlestheHammer posted:I mean what is Max Landis even doing now. He did that Superman comic that everyone swooned over while handwaving away that he's an awful person who doesn't deserve anyone's money.
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Rhyno posted:Be a huge shame if somebody stabbed him in the dick. I am not endorsing or advocating violence when I say the following: We're already better than them.
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Endless Mike posted:He did that Superman comic that everyone swooned over while handwaving away that he's an awful person who doesn't deserve anyone's money. Which one was that?
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Dawgstar posted:Which one was that? Superman: American Alien
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tbf American Alien came out and finished before women started openly coming out about him being a shitbag At that point the worst thing he had done was write a bad Shocker fanfic
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Blockhouse posted:tbf American Alien came out and finished before women started openly coming out about him being a shitbag lmao no it wasn't. By 2016, he was calling Force Awakens "Mary Sui fanfic" and had a pretty misogynistic interview. And that's just stuff on record. There was also at least one report of him being a PUA dickbag at MorrisonCon back when that happened.
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Endless Mike posted:lmao no it wasn't. By 2016, he was calling Force Awakens "Mary Sui fanfic" and had a pretty misogynistic interview. And that's just stuff on record. There was also at least one report of him being a PUA dickbag at MorrisonCon back when that happened. Oh, well then! Then I guess it was just me not personally being aware of that at the time, then. I retract my post.
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Endless Mike posted:lmao no it wasn't. By 2016, he was calling Force Awakens "Mary Sui fanfic" and had a pretty misogynistic interview. And that's just stuff on record. There was also at least one report of him being a PUA dickbag at MorrisonCon back when that happened. From the interview posted:what’s it like being a single, successful guy in LA? BRB, vomiting forever.
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Endless Mike posted:lmao no it wasn't. By 2016, he was calling Force Awakens "Mary Sui fanfic" and had a pretty misogynistic interview. And that's just stuff on record. There was also at least one report of him being a PUA dickbag at MorrisonCon back when that happened. What an astonishingly bad interview. Were we all like this in 2013. Was this ok for people to look at and read.
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Vic whatever, the sex pest voice actor with the idiot lawers.
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site posted:Could you tell us who this is in reference to It's Vic. I had to read the tweets after it to find that out though. Apparently "it's all OK because it's referencing a person in FMA that he didn't voice and is also a terrible person. No we're not all Nazis"
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Archyduchess posted:What an astonishingly bad interview. Were we all like this in 2013. Was this ok for people to look at and read. This isn't quite the same thing, but relevant since Landis is trying to be in that Grant Morrison lane, and Morrison/Ellis (and I suppose Moore, though he sort of blurs the line between Public Persona and Genuine Eccentric) really pioneered this particular sort of brand building for comics when Landis was a youngster. All three writers seem to be taking a lot of notes from popular music, too. So I can believe that Landis was riding the Woke Archie Bunker Golem Wave stomping around the internet being that was celebrated or at least politely ignored deep into the Obama era in a way that no one does now. It was sometimes hailed as some sort of refreshing tonic in an era where Barack Obama was president and LGBTQ rights were advancing and look everything is headed in the right direction, isn't it fun to pantomime vestiges of the bad old days that aren't really scary anymore because we've come so far? It's sort of the same ground from whence came comedians like Louis CK and sites like Gawker or Barstool, it's even sort of where someone like Milo or Gavin McInnes spin out of, this sort of performative "Ain't I A Stinker? But don't worry, I'm just being outrageous and don't really mean it. I'm a good guy!" Spoiler, most of them really meant it. Edge & Christian fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Jun 12, 2019 |
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Edge & Christian posted:This is no way excuses Landis or in any way suggest "we were all like this" but I really do feel like there are sort of social cycles where arts/culture people do the "Whatever you're for, I'm against it" style shift, non-awful examples of it off the top of my head is Michael Stipe running around 25 years ago insisting that Automatic For the People was the most Punk Rock album around in a world of Nirvana and Green Day ascendant because it was all slow sad acoustic guitar and strings, or Grant Morrison running around 20 years ago acting like wearing a suit was more rebellious than [insert mass-cult punk/raver stuff]. I guess in my head I'm trying to line up the dates with the hey-day of alt lit, which was also heavily invested in a performance of "I'm very sorry about my sex crimes, and I'm wistful about psychologically mutilating everyone around me, but it was loving hot, and I'm not very sorry about it, and isn't that the real signifier of tremendous sensitivity" I guess looking it up Tao Lin's novel Richard Yates came out in 2010 and I feel like that was when a lot of people started really seeing through his charade en masse, but it was only a few years later that there was a real sense of people finally being able to identify and implicate abusers in those 20-35 y/o literary circles. But then again as far as I know that sort of anemic leering machismo of whatisname, the American Apparel guy, was still sort of the aesthetic zeitgeist at the time. I definitely remember dudes in my MFA, which I think I finished in 2013, approaching sexuality in a fashion similar to Landis in that interview, albeit in a slightly more polished way. That sort of, "I'm self-aware and reflective of my patterns of abuse, and I want to acknowledge that changing them is difficult. Well, so I guess I never will, the end" thing. How Wonderful! fucked around with this message at 22:05 on Jun 12, 2019 |
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Archyduchess posted:I guess in my head I'm trying to line up the dates with the hey-day of alt lit, which was also heavily invested in a performance of "I'm very sorry about my sex crimes, and I'm wistful about psychologically mutilating everyone around me, but it was loving hot, and I'm not very sorry about it, and isn't that the real signifier of tremendous sensitivity" Reading your edit, I guess it's just been a continuum of how much of an apology/self-reflection is involved with the self-exoneration? I am fully willing to believe ol' Max was several years behind the times. And one of us is giving him too much or too little credit, because I'd kind of be surprised if he had any idea who Tao Lin was, unless one of his books got optioned for a big budget screenplay when I wasn't looking. And yeah, at the time of that interview a lot of people like Dov Charney and Terry Richardson certainly had people complaining about them, but they hadn't yet been in any meaningful way punished. McInnes had been gone from Vice since 2008, but in 2013 they were just starting to pivot from being The Source for Dirtbag News to the broader hard news/culture/investigative reporting with an ample helping of dirtbag stuff they are now. Edge & Christian fucked around with this message at 22:15 on Jun 12, 2019 |
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Edge & Christian posted:Reading your edit, I guess it's just been a continuum of how much of an apology/self-reflection is involved with the self-exoneration? I am fully willing to believe ol' Max was several years behind the times. And one of us is giving him too much or too little credit, because I'd kind of be surprised if he had any idea who Tao Lin was, unless one of his books got optioned for a big budget screenplay when I wasn't looking. I'd be surprised too, but I think they were both adept at toeing the line of what they could say without getting called out during that time, of taking the temperature of those spaces and putting on the right performance to continue getting away with predatory behavior. And that those spaces, in the early parts of this decade and the late parts of the aught, were pretty accommodating for male artists who wanted to simultaneously be creeps and to cultivate an image of introspective sensitivity about their own bad-boyness. I think maybe a useful point of reference would be Junot Diaz' 2018 essay where he frames his mistreatment of women in the past as the unhappy but understandable results of his own history of being abused. In that case, there was a brief period where the reception was largely warm and celebratory, but it quickly pivoted to "wait, he's confessing to some truly hosed up stuff," and when some of the women alluded to very vaguely in his article came forward with more detailed and less white-washed accounts of his abuse they were, at least in the venues I was involved with, taken seriously. The bloom, thank god, has to a significant degree come off the rose of that particular fetishized model of wounded male heterosexuality, and the kind of poo poo that could fly under the radar in 2013 often can't now, I guess is my broader point.
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