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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:You also very rarely hear about YPG's denial of services to Assyrians, with the closure of Assyrian schools and reports currently of burning the farmland of those trading with the Syrian government or those refusing to sell land to Kurds. I'd like to hear more about that.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:I'd like to hear more about that. Yeah this is news to me too, what have you heard Whiskeywhiskers?
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Volkerball posted:The view of downtown Damascus from the suburbs that were home to major protests against the regime, Oct. 2013. How far are you willing to take this logic? Are working roads and potable water also "tool[s] of oppression"? You don't think there's an alarming slippage here between basic infrastructure that is required to literally keep people alive and to keep basic services functioning vs. actual weapons of war. If what you're saying here were followed to its logical conclusion then surely the most helpful thing the American government could do right now is launch repeated targeted strikes designed to destroy the power grid and water system. It would also presumably suggest that there are many other countries where it would be best if America simply launched decapitating strikes and tried to intentionally collapse states (this is in fact more or less American policy in many places, including interventions you prominently supported and continue to defend such as in Libya, so maybe this really is your desired end state?) As for your point about Isreal, I really don't get why you're so convinced you know my thinking on this topic. As far as I'm concerned the only viable long term solution for Israel/Palestine is a single state for the entire territory. Kaal posted:I'm not going to attempt to speak for anyone else here, but I think that you're missing a lot of nuance here in trying to sweep together a bunch of different opinions. My take, in brief, is that it's foolish to try to parse this sort of stuff into unvarnished good or bad. A dam being reconstructed is good, that energy being used by a warlord to entrench a fairly evil ethnostate is bad. Some people getting power is good, some people being expressly denied power in order to compel them is bad. It's wise to accept that there aren't any actually good outcomes here. There's certainly nothing worth cheering on like you seem to be doing. I'm completely agree with this but I have no idea how to reconcile it with your previous post where you described the dam coming back online as "just a noose tightening", which seems like an unambiguous statement that the dam's reconstruction is on the balance a bad thing.
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On school closures: https://www.assyrianpolicy.org/post/kurdish-self-administration-threatens-closure-of-assyrian-schools-in-northern-syria https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/09/assyrian-christians-face-persecution-kurdish-nationalists/ On burning crops: https://www.dailysabah.com/war-on-terror/2019/05/20/ypg-terrorists-set-civilian-farmlands-on-fire-in-northern-syria https://twitter.com/BBassem7/status/1138258269024030720 https://twitter.com/op_shield/status/1133412537372946434 https://twitter.com/SyrianLionesss/status/1138478008296267778 Fwiw, the SDF is claiming it's IS remnants, the Syrian government or Turkish rebels committing the arson. https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...1b9b_story.html WhiskeyWhiskers fucked around with this message at 19:09 on Jun 11, 2019 |
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Wow these Daily Sabah and @op_shield folks don't have a lot of nice things to say abou the Kurds
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Its sad to hear those stories but unfortunately it doesn't surprise me. There's also been a lot of tension between Assyrian militias and the YPG, I remember working with an Assyrian group was the reason some American volunteers got expelled from the SDF last year. With the displacement of Kurds by Turkish backed militias in the west, its to be expected there is pressure to acquire land from non-Kurds in Rojava. I think a lot of Christians would be happier under Syrian government rule.
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Flavahbeast posted:Wow these Daily Sabah and @op_shield folks don't have a lot of nice things to say abou the Kurds Two are Turkish, two are government supporter accounts and one's the Washington Post, and even WaPo suggests the Kurds have a motive in destroying farmland that is failing to comply with their new law against trade with the government.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Two are Turkish, two are government supporter accounts and one's the Washington Post, and even WaPo suggests the Kurds have a motive in destroying farmland that is failing to comply with their new law against trade with the government. Do we know where this law comes from? Is it a rule forced from on high(aka US)? It seems like the YPG had no real issue with trade of oil or crops until recently. Not be be conspiratorial, but it sounds like a rule from the US that they must follow for continued diplomatic support.
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The US definitely put the screws to the YPG when it comes to choking off supplies to the government. Left to their own devices, the YPG prefers to hedge their bets and work with the regime when they can, but when the US is paying attention and not preparing to gtfo, it tries to stop them from doing stuff like that, particularly as the Trump administration grew more and more involved in choking off regime supply lines from Iran--it kind of defeats the purpose if the Kurds relieve the pressure we're trying to apply. IMO keeping that oil out of Assad's hands is probably the only reason Trump's advisers were ultimately able to convince him to walk back the withdrawal again.
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Helsing posted:How far are you willing to take this logic? Are working roads and potable water also "tool[s] of oppression"?
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Ruh roh: https://twitter.com/ConflictsW/status/1138817740268036097 https://twitter.com/no_itsmyturn/status/1138803228219510784
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Tit for tat terrorist attacks
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Houthis claim they hit a KSA civil airport with a cruise missile. KSA says 26 people injured due to the attack.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Tit for tat terrorist attacks Doesn't take a terrorism to blow up an oil platform.
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Volkerball posted:Doesn't take a terrorism to blow up an oil platform. Though with tensions as high as they are, you can see why foul play is a plsusible option.
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Darth Walrus posted:Though with tensions as high as they are, you can see why foul play is a plsusible option. For sure. I wouldn't say it's the most likely option though.
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Volkerball posted:Doesn't take a terrorism to blow up an oil platform. Icy hot take idlib resident #3657899
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https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1138919606326890496?s=20 Has cancel culture gone too far?
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Thomas Erdbrink, the NYT reporter in Tehran, has had his press pass revoked and is banned from reporting on Iran. Kind of weird since his coverage has always been pretty favorable. He wrote that article about how there was a new Iranian nationalism and people were rallying around the regime days before the largest protests since the green movement broke out. Probably just a victim of a broader gently caress the US policy.
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Some drama in the Gulf of Oman this morning: https://twitter.com/anadoluagency/status/1139078955032555522 https://twitter.com/AmichaiStein1/status/1139078921213947904 https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status/1139081951288205313 https://twitter.com/RosMathieson/status/1139065070028251136 Also Syrian forces have allegedly attacked a Turkish observation point: https://twitter.com/MSuchkov_ALM/status/1139090213383356416
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https://twitter.com/AAhronheim/status/1139154558440083456 That's a very weird juxtaposition. A tweet that will raise a thousand conspiracy theories.
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Are those two oil tankers next to the oil platform? Smells like a false flag. And I’m no navy engineer but you’d think a no poo poo torpedo attack would do more to a civilian oil tanker. Who in the area has wimpy torpedos? Torpor fucked around with this message at 15:19 on Jun 13, 2019 |
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Conspiratiorist posted:Because reducing your rivals' market for high tech weapons exports is good. More that Turkey is gunna betray its RCS and ability of the S-400 to detect & intercept the F-35.
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Oil tankers are huge and suprisingly tough. In WW2 the SS Ohio (100 meters smaller then the one hit now) got hit by a torpedo, a crashing Stuka and half a dozen bombs and still managed to limp into port.
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There are rumblings about Bolton being on the outs with Trump so anyone who desperately wanted to stir up a conflict between Iran and the States might be about to lose their staunchest advocate in the White House.Consortium News posted:Trump said just a week ago that he was willing to begin talks with the Iranians “with no preconditions.” This was a major softening of U.S. policy toward Iran and it immediately drew Bolton’s ire. Indeed, The New York Times pointed out that the policy directly “overruled a longtime goal of (Trump’s) national security advisor.”
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Absurd Alhazred posted:https://twitter.com/AAhronheim/status/1139154558440083456 🙄
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tbh if i were a conspiratorial type i'd rather suspect saudi arabia than israel in this case documented interest in ridiculous schemes, hate iran with a blistering passion, like it when oil price go up
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Honestly considering the general attitude towards safety in the ME it's amazing anything is ever not on fire.
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Looks like the ships were attacked like 250-300 miles from the oil platform. Not sure how much time lapsed between the incidents and if that’s do-able by any single subs owned by the locals. Too many unknowns to see what happened though. Sailors from a US destroyer are at the scene of one of the attacks. We will have to see if the USS Maddox turns up any debris from the attackers.
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Helsing posted:There are rumblings about Bolton being on the outs with Trump so anyone who desperately wanted to stir up a conflict between Iran and the States might be about to lose their staunchest advocate in the White House. Bolton might be on the outs, but Pompeo is still a huge hawk. https://twitter.com/benjaminja/stat...ingawful.com%2F
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First footage from this attack: https://twitter.com/Joyce_Karam/status/1139219658463174656
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Wait till they sink a carrier. Then the war mongerers of the mainstream will question nothing.
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With how sophisticated the Houthis have been getting with their attack drones, it wouldn't surprise me if thats who attacked those tankers.
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The Houthis generally take credit for their work though.
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Charliegrs posted:With how sophisticated the Houthis have been getting with their attack drones, it wouldn't surprise me if thats who attacked those tankers.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Uhhh the Houthis wouldn’t attack Iranian tankers though The tankers are flagged under Japan and Norway.
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Count Roland posted:The tankers are flagged under Japan and Norway.
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Brown Moses posted:First footage from this attack: RIP that dude on the left.
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