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IceAgeComing posted:To argue from a feminist perspective that companies built around women and in many cases owned and ran by women aren't good enough and that women NEED to succeed in male owned and dominated companies strikes me as being, well, rather hypocritical. "Perhaps the people complaining about sexism are the REAL sexists!" I say as I stroke my goatee.
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Davros1 posted:And also because of the tirade he goes on every year during the WON HoF season about Big Daddy not being voted in. This alone should render his opinions on anything else invalid.
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dsriggs posted:This alone should render his opinions on anything else invalid. Listen, the Queen of England knows who Big Daddy is. I doubt she's even heard of Daniel Bryan.
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Davros1 posted:Listen, the Queen of England knows who Big Daddy is. I doubt she's even heard of Daniel Bryan. One time I heard Virgil tell someone on an airplane that while he was in Shane McMahon's hotel suite during WM30 weekend that someone explained to him that no one respected Daniel Bryan, especially the older wrestlers like Steve Austin, and that he made no money and was probably asleep on a couch in the lobby because he could fit on it and it was all he could afford. That is to say, Big Daddy should probably be in the WON HOF before Daniel Bryan.
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Jun 13, 2019 14:49
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Seems fairly simple to me. If you want NJPW to have women's wrestling, spend lots of money supporting the Joshi promotions that currently exist so they see it as financially viable. This also has the beneficial side effect of supporting Joshi wrestlers right now.
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Jun 13, 2019 15:14
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That seems like a lot more effort than writing stupid things online
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Luke72w posted:One time I heard Virgil tell someone on an airplane that while he was in Shane McMahon's hotel suite during WM30 weekend that someone explained to him that no one respected Daniel Bryan, especially the older wrestlers like Steve Austin, and that he made no money and was probably asleep on a couch in the lobby because he could fit on it and it was all he could afford. I just realised the terrifying thought of the generation of wrestlers who grew up with 2004-2012 era raw. Those now mostly greq with attitude era and talk of Eddie Guerrero a lot, and Benoit uf he wasnt persona non grata. Who will be the inspirations from that period? Im leaving out the last few years because i hope Bryan, Seth, Cesaro, Ricochet, early Bray even, might rub off.
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Jun 13, 2019 15:22
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Seems like a Not-Stupid Opinion to me. NJPW should partner with one of the Joshi feds and feature some of the big matches on their programming.
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List of women wrestlers mad online because they were denied an opportunity to work Wrestle Kingdom: That said Cyborg vs Meiko Satomura would be exactly up NJPW's alley.
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Jun 13, 2019 15:35
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coconono posted:List of women wrestlers mad online because they were denied an opportunity to work Wrestle Kingdom: just had flashbacks to the Gracie's in NJPW and hate you for it
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Lid posted:just had flashbacks to the Gracie's in NJPW and hate you for it Yeah but the Gracies got us Sakuraba and his sweet as poo poo mask so it all balanced out in the end.
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Hellblazer187 posted:Seems like a Not-Stupid Opinion to me. I'm definitely not opposed to Bushiroad dropping a bunch of money in Chigusa or Meiko's lap and putting a major match or two at the Dome or Budokan. That's different to a Gedo booked women's division though.
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coconono posted:Yeah but the Gracies got us Sakuraba and his sweet as poo poo mask so it all balanced out in the end. Plus the tag match of Sakuraba and Nagata vs the Garcies was enjoyable (Entirely because of the Japanese team, but whatever)
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coconono posted:Yeah but the Gracies got us Sakuraba and his sweet as poo poo mask so it all balanced out in the end. Speaking of, whatever happened to Sakuraba? Admittedly most of the time he was just used to fill a spot in CHAOS tag matches, but he pretty much disappeared without any storyline or injury that I can remember.
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Germansimp posted:Speaking of, whatever happened to Sakuraba? Admittedly most of the time he was just used to fill a spot in CHAOS tag matches, but he pretty much disappeared without any storyline or injury that I can remember. he's retired from everything but grappling and runs his own graps fed now. Sakuraba is pretty much held together with spit and bailing wire, which made a lot of the gnarlier bumps he took in NJPW that much more crazy. Dude lost an ear in an MMA match, got on the mic and apologized to the crowd for bleeding everywhere while showing signs of going into shock.
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GEORGE W BUSHI posted:I'm definitely not opposed to Bushiroad dropping a bunch of money in Chigusa or Meiko's lap and putting a major match or two at the Dome or Budokan. That's different to a Gedo booked women's division though. He's booking the mens division so perfectly, I feel it must take so much attention I don't trust they'd book a women's division well. So sort of oursourcing the booking to a different fed while featuring some high level matches would be a way to include women's matches without the risk of it becoming lame like most women's divisions are.
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The real sexism us that Stardom doesn't book men.
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coconono posted:he's retired from everything but grappling and runs his own graps fed now. Sakuraba is pretty much held together with spit and bailing wire, which made a lot of the gnarlier bumps he took in NJPW that much more crazy. Dude lost an ear in an MMA match, got on the mic and apologized to the crowd for bleeding everywhere while showing signs of going into shock. In a business populated by people who believe their own hype all too often, Sakuraba is the real thing. Talk about a dude who doesn't really have to worry about people taking liberties. Shame he's done physically, he'd fit in so well on the Bloodsport shows.
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Hellblazer187 posted:He's booking the mens division so perfectly, I feel it must take so much attention I don't trust they'd book a women's division well. So sort of oursourcing the booking to a different fed while featuring some high level matches would be a way to include women's matches without the risk of it becoming lame like most women's divisions are. He's booking the mens singles divisions well. I think the tag team divisions and stuff like Taichi being the heel against Taguchi and Liger because he didn't want them molesting Miho Abe are pretty indicative of how bad a women's division would be if they let Gedo book it. Gonzo McFee posted:The real sexism us that Stardom doesn't book men. They booked Wagner Jr. last year and Suzuki the year before that!
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I think Bushiroad is probably gonna do a Joshi promotion at some point but itd probably be it's own thing and given how talent rarely jumps in Japan I suspect it needs to start out with home grown talent
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SatoshiMiwa posted:I think Bushiroad is probably gonna do a Joshi promotion at some point but itd probably Benoit's own thing and given how talent rarely jumps in Japan I suspect it needs to start out with home grown talent Benoit??? There were rumours that Harold, SHO and YOH went to Stardom and Bushiroad dumping a bunch of money into Rossy's lap would be the worst possible outcome. GEORGE W BUSHI fucked around with this message at 16:18 on Jun 13, 2019 |
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GEORGE W BUSHI posted:He's booking the mens singles divisions well. I think the tag team divisions and stuff like Taichi being the heel against Taguchi and Liger because he didn't want them molesting Miho Abe are pretty indicative of how bad a women's division would be if they let Gedo book it. OK yeah to be fair I pretty much only watch the singles matches. So that's a fair point. But I do think it would be good for them to feature some women's matches on some level.
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GEORGE W BUSHI posted:Benoit??? Err...that was phone posting auto correct for the Benoit whoops I dont see Rossy selling Stardom really.If Bushiroad does a Joshi fed it will probably have to be it's own thing
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Rarity posted:This sounds a lot like 'women should be happy with whatever space men allow them rather than push for equal representation'. So women should push for equal representation with their own companies instead of being happy with whatever space Gedo allows them?
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coconono posted:he's retired from everything but grappling and runs his own graps fed now. Sakuraba is pretty much held together with spit and bailing wire, which made a lot of the gnarlier bumps he took in NJPW that much more crazy. Dude lost an ear in an MMA match, got on the mic and apologized to the crowd for bleeding everywhere while showing signs of going into shock. drat. Good for him to get out before he ended up with any even more serious injuries.
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Web Jew.0 posted:So women should push for equal representation with their own companies instead of being happy with whatever space Gedo allows them? Look at the galaxy level brain on you, loving hell.
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I dont think anyone opposes women on njpw cards. Its just people dont necessarily want Bushiroad raiding the womens scene so the 3 most popular women can trade wins for the iwgp womens title like how gedo books the junior tag title Gedo is very good at some things and pretty bad at others. He can book compelling narratives that gets people invested in his top wrestlers. However, things he doesnt think are important get stuck on autopilot. Like out of the 9 matches since roppongi 3k beat the bucks in February of last year for the junior tag titles only 1 has featured a team outside of roppongi 3k, suzuki-gun and LIJ and that was liger and tiger mask at kopw. There have been 3 three way matches featuring those teams. Thats average booking at best but while the main event talent brings in bigger gates every year nobody cares. I just dont see how well women would get booked. Not that i oppose it. It would add something new to the cards
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Hey everybody the OP of this thread bans any goon bad opinions and since all opinions are bad we cannot allow debate and/or discussion in this thread.
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Is there an actual "debate" about women in New Japan going on in, you know, actual Japan? Or is it just the same 8 white dudes yelling at each other on Twitter?
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Benne posted:Is there an actual "debate" about women in New Japan going on in, you know, actual Japan? Or is it just the same 8 white dudes yelling at each other on Twitter? They want to expand to the west, they have to deal with western liberalism.
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A women's promotion the size of NJPW would be great. I'd love to see them put their money into it. NJPW opening a women's division is a good idea on paper but the reality of it would probably suck and would just damage the existing Joshi scene.
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https://twitter.com/RowdyCMoore/status/1139329697278550018?s=19 Please ban non-Japanese people from this debate
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GEORGE W BUSHI posted:https://twitter.com/RowdyCMoore/status/1139329697278550018?s=19 Also ban non-black people from talking about baseball, apparently
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WatermelonGun posted:Also ban non-black people from talking about baseball, apparently If that shuts up Curt Schilling I'm good
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The one way I could see "women in NJPW" happening would be an outright merger or permanent partnership with one of the Joshi promotions. Which, you know, could go well or could go wrong, depending on if that promotion had enough power in the relationship (meaning you wouldn't want a WWECW situation.)
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