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Patware
Jan 3, 2005

remember: muffet's going to be a fly in every ointment because she doesn't actually matter aside from being extremely cool

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A big flaming stink
Apr 26, 2010

GunnerJ posted:

It actually sounds like it rules tbh

it's kind of interesting once you get past the completely trashy premise. It does everything in its power to avoid any interesting ideas like how would a person utterly drowning in violence react to suddenly being moved into an environment where no violence is needed, and it assigns Frisk literally zero agency (though it does make Frisk female which I like just because of how rarely that happens) but its prose is shockingly effective at conveying doom-like action:

quote:

Ammunition half depleted. Muzzles turning red. Don’t care. Keep firing. Forty of them already. Forty-eight. Fifty-seven. Sixty-two. Little freaks aren’t even dodging. Your precious queen is dead. Can’t stop me. Barons coming for you. Standard pair. Shoot at their knees. Watch them buckle over, Tear their heads off. Ammo at quarter capacity. Store chaingun. Whip out Plasma rifle. Stun module. Keep them from getting past you. Pinky’s stuck. Let him sizzle while you blast his imp friends away. Wait… something just skewered him in the eye. It’s an arrow or something-

....

Pair of Hell knights. Gauss bolt to chest. Stunned him. Other one airborne. Dodge to left. Charge siege shot. Fire. He’s in pieces. Other’s recovered. Pop his head open. Keep moving. Horde of imps to right. Horde movers, closing in fast, five sentinels behind them. Dodge their fire. Pull out combat shotgun. Pump them full of shells. Shots incoming. Move left and forward. Finish off last horde imp. Move in for sentinels. They’re fleeing. That’s right. Better run. Three Pinkies coming in. Dodge Mancubus pus…

Wait, what just hit him? Square in the eye too. Another right in his gut. Dodge pinky. Grab his tail. Tear it off and club him with it. Just what got him? Don’t tell me those guards got ordered back here. Undyne, please don’t tell me you-

“NGAAAH!”

Oh great.

and it's also far better at capturing the characters' voices than it has any business being.

Accordion Man
Nov 7, 2012


Buglord
Doomguy becomes fiercely protective of the shopkeep in Snowdin and she has no clue to as why.

MaxieSatan
Oct 19, 2017

critical support for anarchists

Patware posted:

remember: muffet's going to be a fly in every ointment because she doesn't actually matter aside from being extremely cool

She is a spider actually

Patware
Jan 3, 2005

MaxieSatan posted:

She is a spider actually

thank you, we'll be here all week

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.
Alright, Undertale was pretty great. Man, what an emotional rollercoaster that ending was.

I feel like I missed some stuff but that's what wikis are for.

flavor.flv
Apr 18, 2008

I got a letter from the government the other day
opened it, read it
it said they was bitches




Don't read the wiki just yet, reload your save and see what happens

Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??

RandomFerret posted:

Don't read the wiki just yet, reload your save and see what happens

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.
No, I finished the True Pacifist ending and then went back to the beginning tot alk to Asriel. I still feel like I missed the details of the past and stuff.

Son of Thunderbeast
Sep 21, 2002
as long as you found Gaster and talked to him about Sans and Papyrus arriving from a town called Onett then you've found all the important story bits

Spiffster
Oct 7, 2009

I'm good... I Haven't slept for a solid 83 hours, but yeah... I'm good...


Lipstick Apathy

Son of Thunderbeast posted:

as long as you found Gaster and talked to him about Sans and Papyrus arriving from a town called Onett then you've found all the important story bits

But that’s just a theory though... a GAME THEORY, don’t forget to like, Share, Subscribe, smash those buttons in the comment section and BUY MY BOOK

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




MonsieurChoc posted:

No, I finished the True Pacifist ending and then went back to the beginning tot alk to Asriel. I still feel like I missed the details of the past and stuff.

Well, we're here, what specifically do you wanna know? Far as I'm aware, there's not really a big exposition dump on life in the past to really go on.

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

~* Challenge *~


MonsieurChoc posted:

No, I finished the True Pacifist ending and then went back to the beginning tot alk to Asriel. I still feel like I missed the details of the past and stuff.

You're not finished. Rip and tear, until it is done.

McFrugal
Oct 11, 2003
Well it *is* true that there's a little more story to be found on the Genocide route.

MariusLecter
Sep 5, 2009

NI MUERTE NI MIEDO

RareAcumen posted:

Well, we're here, what specifically do you wanna know? Far as I'm aware, there's not really a big exposition dump on life in the past to really go on.

At least they don't seem as lost as Dan and Aaron.

Scarodactyl
Oct 22, 2015


The one connection I missed on my playthrough was the significance of the jokes you tell Woshua.

You tell a joke about a kid who ate a pie with their bare hands.

You tell a joke about two kids who played in a muddy flower garden. 

You tell a joke about a kid who slept in the soil. 


There are a couple of other oddball things you'll never find on your own that I can just show you in screenshots.

First is a little easter egg if you name your character 'Quote':
https://imgur.com/a/qwxCD
Next is Grillby's shop view, hard to access and honestly barely worth it given the effort it takes:
https://imgur.com/a/EfjhS
This was a small halloween event patched in the first year, only comes up with the right time/date:
https://imgur.com/a/C14E3/
And finally the difficult-to-execute Grillby fight (though this is a Geno route thing)
https://imgur.com/a/oTc1J

Scarodactyl fucked around with this message at 06:01 on Jun 14, 2019

TheArchimage
Dec 17, 2008

MonsieurChoc posted:

I still feel like I missed the details of the past and stuff.
There isn't really much info on the past beyond what Asriel tells you. It's the stuff fanfiction and 10k+ word tumblr posts are made of.

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.

SirSamVimes posted:

You're not finished. Rip and tear, until it is done.

I wish I could finish DOOM 2016, but my graphics card died and it's replacement isn't good enough.

TheArchimage posted:

There isn't really much info on the past beyond what Asriel tells you. It's the stuff fanfiction and 10k+ word tumblr posts are made of.

Yeah, I got that. I guess I just needed a moment to gather my toughts. Man, the True Lab was very Gyigas in a good way. And the final battle was amazing.

Consideirng how much I loved the Deltarune earlygame compared to the Undertale earlygame, I'm even more hype for when it comes out in 2039.

Cipher Pol 9
Oct 9, 2006


Scarodactyl posted:

There are a couple of other oddball things you'll never find on your own that I can just show you in screenshots.

First is a little easter egg if you name your character 'Quote':
https://imgur.com/a/qwxCD
Next is Grillby's shop view, hard to access and honestly barely worth it given the effort it takes:
https://imgur.com/a/EfjhS
This was a small halloween event patched in the first year, only comes up with the right time/date:
https://imgur.com/a/C14E3/
And finally the difficult-to-execute Grillby fight (though this is a Geno route thing)
https://imgur.com/a/oTc1J
Man the artwork in this game never fails to impress me.

Also that loving Cave Story sequence destroyed my sides, I can't believe I've never seen that before.

Ruffian Price
Sep 17, 2016

One thing that irks me with the True Pacifist ending is that the Asgore fight fakeout doesn't feel like a direct consequence of the player's actions. Toriel does say that she only had time to arrive because Frisk was constantly taking detours befriending everyone, going on dates and solving the True Lab, but mechanically it feels like a guard disappearing in an adventure game because you found the cat's mustache or whatever three screens east, just a videogame trigger.

Everything that happens afterwards is still A+ (let's just say... a tiny flower helped me.) but I just can't shake the feeling about that specific moment

Cipher Pol 9 posted:

Man the artwork in this game never fails to impress me.
You better run.

dmboogie
Oct 4, 2013

Cipher Pol 9 posted:

Man the artwork in this game never fails to impress me.

Also that loving Cave Story sequence destroyed my sides, I can't believe I've never seen that before.

you've done it again, scarodactyl

Scarodactyl
Oct 22, 2015


MonsieurChoc posted:

No, I finished the True Pacifist ending and then went back to the beginning tot alk to Asriel. I still feel like I missed the details of the past and stuff.
Oh, bte I know you did deltarune first, but did you find the second secret boss? I know it's kind of obvious but a lot of people missed out.
https://youtu.be/KJRQlcLW71w

Jen X
Sep 29, 2014

To bring light to the darkness, whether that darkness be ignorance, injustice, apathy, or stagnation.

Scarodactyl posted:

Oh, bte I know you did deltarune first, but did you find the second secret boss? I know it's kind of obvious but a lot of people missed out.
https://youtu.be/KJRQlcLW71w

:allears:

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
If Toby hasn't hired you to work on deltarune full he has hosed up

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.
Toby Fox is good at music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpnY41JNVbo

Scarodactyl posted:

The one connection I missed on my playthrough was the significance of the jokes you tell Woshua.

You tell a joke about a kid who ate a pie with their bare hands.

You tell a joke about two kids who played in a muddy flower garden. 

You tell a joke about a kid who slept in the soil. 


There are a couple of other oddball things you'll never find on your own that I can just show you in screenshots.

First is a little easter egg if you name your character 'Quote':
https://imgur.com/a/qwxCD
Next is Grillby's shop view, hard to access and honestly barely worth it given the effort it takes:
https://imgur.com/a/EfjhS
This was a small halloween event patched in the first year, only comes up with the right time/date:
https://imgur.com/a/C14E3/
And finally the difficult-to-execute Grillby fight (though this is a Geno route thing)
https://imgur.com/a/oTc1J

That Grillby boss fight looks good.

flavor.flv
Apr 18, 2008

I got a letter from the government the other day
opened it, read it
it said they was bitches




Oh no no, scarodactyl. Fool me thrice, shame on you. Fool me four or more times, shame on me.

Son of Thunderbeast
Sep 21, 2002


sans in this one :lol:

LordMune
Nov 21, 2006

Helim needed to be invisible.
I replayed Deltarune the other day, and I think that game might have my favorite opening of any game. Top 5 at least, easy.

The character creation process does drag on for several seconds too long, but everything from there to the first save point is pitch perfect. The emotional whiplash of small-town monsterville, Susie threatening to eat your face in a scene that is genuinely tense and kind of terrifying... It is, if not rare then at least uncommon, to see sequels move beyond reference and surface-level subversion to actually actively capitalize on the expectations set by the original.

It's so good.

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.
Ohmygod the Etika let's play of Undertale is magical.

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

When I want to relax, I read an essay by Engels. When I want something more serious, I read Corto Maltese.


MonsieurChoc posted:

Ohmygod the Etika let's play of Undertale is magical.

Shame about the goddamn text feed.

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.

Samovar posted:

Shame about the goddamn text feed.

Jegus yes, it is terrible.

Cipher Pol 9
Oct 9, 2006


The most important part of watching streams is to never, ever look at or engage with the chat.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
I dunno when Banjo got announced for smash and the chat was just FLOODING with "BANJOOOOOOO BANJO IT'S BANJO IT'S BANJO!!!!" and then there was one single, lone "IT'S PIKACHU" that was there and then gone in an instant when Banjo(duck hunt) was silhouetted, that got a hearty chuckle from me

though those instances are definitely a rarity

J.A.B.C.
Jul 2, 2007

There's no need to rush to be an adult.


Captain Invictus posted:

and then there was one single, lone "IT'S PIKACHU" that was there and then gone in an instant when Banjo(duck hunt) was silhouetted

I read this and immediately knew what it was, and I am both proud and ashamed.

Dewgy
Nov 10, 2005

~🚚special delivery~📦

Captain Invictus posted:

I dunno when Banjo got announced for smash and the chat was just FLOODING with "BANJOOOOOOO BANJO IT'S BANJO IT'S BANJO!!!!" and then there was one single, lone "IT'S PIKACHU" that was there and then gone in an instant when Banjo(duck hunt) was silhouetted, that got a hearty chuckle from me

though those instances are definitely a rarity

That isn’t even the original video! :mad:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9o5_W6hn9k

The Ultimate Doge
May 1, 2019

by Nyc_Tattoo
Does anyone have recommendations for good indepth analysis of Deltarune and its themes?

Son of Thunderbeast
Sep 21, 2002

The Ultimate Doge posted:

Does anyone have recommendations for good indepth analysis of Deltarune and its themes?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wdbOWlf2ew

Magitek
Feb 20, 2008

That's not jolly.
That's not jolly at all!

u dick

Patware
Jan 3, 2005


its the answer he deserves
the answer he's earned

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Electric Phantasm
Apr 7, 2011

YOSPOS

Let's discuss the themes that truly matter, the battle themes, they all kick rear end.

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