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THS
Sep 15, 2017

reformism is a means to revolution when the reforms prove insufficient or are thwarted. its a way of waking up the Sheeple

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Its Coke
Oct 29, 2018
I'm going to vote for Bernie if he's losing and otherwise not vote because my goal is for Biden to win as narrowly as possible

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES

Jewel Repetition posted:

You're the one who brought up Democratic primary candidate preferences

your mind inhabits a strange world

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

GalacticAcid posted:

your mind inhabits a strange world

That's gaslighting

freckle
Apr 6, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo
gaslighting owns tbh

freckle
Apr 6, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo
only a loving idiot wouldnt like being gaslit

The Ultimate Doge
May 1, 2019

by Nyc_Tattoo

freckle posted:

only a loving idiot wouldnt like being gaslit

Everyone who complains about being gaslit is a woman so this is correct

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
https://twitter.com/AdamPr0ct0r/status/1139197494829756416

:jackbud:

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007

Jewel Repetition posted:

Who's your preferred Dem candidate

Jughashvili

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
never listened to those pods but not reading the book before you write the review is a time-honored hack tradition ala orwell's "confessions of a book reviewer."

quote:

Needless to say this person is a writer. He might be a poet, a novelist, or a writer of film scripts or radio features, for all literary people are very much alike, but let us say that he is a book reviewer. Half hidden among the pile of papers is a bulky parcel containing five volumes which his editor has sent with a note suggesting that they "ought to go well together". They arrived four days ago, but for 48 hours the reviewer was prevented by moral paralysis from opening the parcel. Yesterday in a resolute moment he ripped the string off it and found the five volumes to be PALESTINE AT THE CROSS ROADS, SCIENTIFIC DAIRY FARMING, A SHORT HISTORY OF EUROPEAN DEMOCRACY (this one is 680 pages and weighs four pounds), TRIBAL CUSTOMS IN PORTUGUESE EAST AFRICA, and a novel, IT'S NICER LYING DOWN, probably included by mistake. His review--800 words, say--has got to be "in" by midday tomorrow.

Three of these books deal with subjects of which he is so ignorant that he will have to read at least 50 pages if he is to avoid making some howler which will betray him not merely to the author (who of course knows all about the habits of book reviewers), but even to the general reader. By four in the afternoon he will have taken the books out of their wrapping paper but will still be suffering from a nervous inability to open them. The prospect of having to read them, and even the smell of the paper, affects him like the prospect of eating cold ground-rice pudding flavoured with castor oil. And yet curiously enough his copy will get to the office in time. Somehow it always does get there in time. At about nine pm his mind will grow relatively clear, and until the small hours he will sit in a room which grows colder and colder, while the cigarette smoke grows thicker and thicker, skipping expertly through one book after another and laying eachdown with the final comment, "God, what tripe!" In the morning, blear-eyed, surly and unshaven, he will gaze for an hour or two at a blank sheet of paper until the menacing finger of the clock frightens him into action. Then suddenly he will snap into it. All the stale old phrases--"a book that no one should miss", "something memorable on every page", "of special value are the chapters dealing with, etc etc"--will jump into their places like iron filings obeying the magnet, and the review will end up at exactly the right length and with just about three minutes to go. Meanwhile another wad of ill-assorted, unappetising books will have arrived by post. So it goes on. And yet with what high hopes this down-trodden, nerve-racked creature started his career, only a few years ago.

http://www.george-orwell.org/Confessions_of_a_Book_Reviewer/0.html

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
i never listened to their pod, aimee is just one of the most insufferable dirtbag left luminaries

Frog Act
Feb 10, 2012



smarxist posted:

i never listened to their pod, aimee is just one of the most insufferable dirtbag left luminaries



there is no way this person telling people to marxistly judge a book by its cover is real, right

THS
Sep 15, 2017

smarxist posted:

i never listened to their pod, aimee is just one of the most insufferable dirtbag left luminaries



so you feel comfortable passing judgement on her without having listened to her podcasts back to front? hmm

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
Not reading is workingclass. Listening to podcasts and being gay with your dad is workingclass.

THS
Sep 15, 2017

incredible hypocrisy here in the lf thread but i’m not surprised you’d all denigrate a noble podcaster before seriously engaging with their work

PRESIDENT LADYCOP
Feb 3, 2019

smarxist posted:

i never listened to their pod, aimee is just one of the most insufferable dirtbag left luminaries



quote:

What [Hegel] calls "negativity" can also be couched in terms of insight and blindness, as the "positive" power of "blindness", of blinding oneself to most of the features of the object, of reducing it to its constitutive key aspects. The greatest power of our mind is not to see more, but to see less in a correct way, to reduce reality to its notional determinations - only such "blindness" generates the insight into what things really are.

The same principle of "less is more" holds for reading the body of a book: in his wonderful How to Talk About Books You Haven't Read, Pierre Bayard demonstrates (taking an ironic line of reasoning which is ultimately meant quite seriously) that, in order to really formulate the fundamental insight or achievement of a book, it is generally better not to read it all - too much data only blurs our clear vision. For example, many essay on Joyce's Ulysses - and often the best ones - were written by scholars who had not read the whole book; the same goes for books on Kant or Hegel, where a truly detailed knowledge often only gives rise to a boring specialist exegesis, rather than living insights. The best interpretations of Hegel are always partial: they extrapolate the totality from a particular figure of thought or of dialectical movement. As a rule, it is not a reading of a thick book by Hegel himself, but some striking, detailed observation - often wrong or at least one-sided - made by an interpreter that allows us to grasp Hegel's thought in its living movement.

PRESIDENT LADYCOP fucked around with this message at 01:53 on Jun 14, 2019

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
dear mr. president, there are too many pods these days. please eliminate three.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
p.s. i am not a crackpot. but i can understand why some haters would get that impression as my current pod diet consists entirely of radio war nerd and the tom & don show, with sporadic rallies into the age of napoleon

Frog Act
Feb 10, 2012




I knew those one week fifteen page papers I wrote after reading The Philosophy of History and Marxism and Philosophy were seminal works but didn’t know how to express it until now. thank u comrade

big business man
Sep 30, 2012

Bernie Sanders posted:

Should America go communist as a result of the difficulties and problems that your capitalist social order is unable to solve, it will discover that communism, far from being an intolerable bureaucratic tyranny and individual regimentation, will be the means of greater individual liberty and shared abundance.

At present most Americans regard communism solely in the light of the experience of the Soviet Union. They fear lest Sovietism in America would produce the same material result as it has brought for the culturally backward peoples of the Soviet Union.

...

While the romantic numskulls of Nazi Germany are dreaming of restoring the old race of Europe’s Dark Forest to its original purity, or rather its original filth, you Americans, after taking a firm grip on your economic machinery and your culture, will apply genuine scientific methods to the problem of eugenics. Within a century, out of your melting pot of races there will come a new breed of men – the first worthy of the name of Man.

One final prophecy: in the 3rd year of the Soviet rule in America you will no longer chew gum!

really loving bernies speech

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
Permanent Reform

Frog Act
Feb 10, 2012



GalacticAcid posted:

Permanent Reform

Reform in One Country

big business man
Sep 30, 2012

https://twitter.com/DeadIrishRebel/status/1139353229903441921

:thunk:

Mr. Lobe
Feb 23, 2007

... Dry bones...


BrutalistMcDonalds posted:



awwwwww social democracy. i wanted a communist revolution...

communist party: "social democracy can help create conditions leading to communist revolution."

explain how

"some want to make the party so supposedly revolutionary that they would dump the policy of the people’s front, which has been the foundation of the communist party’s strategic approach for over 80 years. at the core of the popular front strategy is the idea of broad-based coalition politics, formulated around a couple of key questions. first, it asks what goal, if won, can change the relationship of forces and open up the possibility for advance. second, it sets out who are the main opponents and possible allies in the struggle to achieve that goal. this means determining who has the self-interest to fight for the goal and assessing their organization, consciousness, and capacity to join in the fight. at a time when masses of people are moving left, challenging corporate power, and viewing the concept of socialism more favorably than we’ve seen in decades—or perhaps ever—there would be no greater mistake than to expend unnecessary effort critiquing people for not being 'left enough.'"

ah yes, the popular front, the strategy that has brought us such victories as

uh

Mr. Lobe
Feb 23, 2007

... Dry bones...


I personally feel like I have no ability to predict what the implications of a sanders presidency would mean in the long term for struggle but I imagine it will probably make material conditions better in the short-medium term and that's not a bad thing but I also doubt it's really going to meaningfully solve the core contradictions of american capitalism

hell, it wouldnt surprise me if those material conditions don't end up improving all that much either, but it's not like I think there's anyone we can expect better from in electoral terms either. the forces of american capitalism are so deeply entrenched and I think that he is going to face a lot of friction accomplishing anything in terms of policy. this is why I prefer never to think about electoralism, it is depressing and mostly out of anyone's hands because these systems are basically designed to demobilize people

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

smarxist posted:

i never listened to their pod, aimee is just one of the most insufferable dirtbag left luminaries



Albert Einstein posted:

Reading, after a certain age, diverts the mind too much from its creative pursuits. Any man who reads too much and uses his own brain too little falls into lazy habits of thinking.

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

Mr. Lobe posted:

ah yes, the popular front, the strategy that has brought us such victories as

uh

World war 2

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Mr. Lobe posted:

ah yes, the popular front, the strategy that has brought us such victories as

uh

the People's Republic of China?

Frog Act
Feb 10, 2012



neither of those things were really popular fronts. every single actual political Popular Front that has historically tried to win an electoral victory in coalition with libs and fiscal conservatives or whatever has been a either catastrophic prelude to the rise of an overwhelming fascist alternative or a tepid useless government dominated by Liberal positivists who try to implement stupid small-scale reforms and end up re entrenching capitalism

like the best possible result from cooperating with Liberals within a representative democracy is reinscribing the insane deliberative centrist discourse of neoliberalism, and the worst is Literally Petain

Frog Act
Feb 10, 2012



the great thinker Abdullah Ocalan understood that an organic statelike entity with socialist characteristics can only emerge through a consensus based people’s struggle and also the immediate destruction of Turkey

apropos to nothing
Sep 5, 2003

gradenko_2000 posted:

the People's Republic of China?

pretty bad example because it was precisely the popular front strategy that led to the failure of the 1925 revolution and the chinese communists losing almost all base of support in the urban centers when the kuomintang betrayed them and massacred the workers of shanghai

The Ultimate Doge
May 1, 2019

by Nyc_Tattoo
Let he who has actually red Kapital front to back cast the first stone

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
my experience from trying to read capital is that it is the most complicated guide on how to make a shirt from a roll of fabric you will ever find

apropos to nothing
Sep 5, 2003
the reason popular fronts dont work is because the strategy specifically calls on the communists to basically take up the demands and program of the liberals. its not exactly liquidationist but they dont raise revolutionary consciousness. its fine to work together with liberals and social democrats to oppose the right, but doing so in a way that raises a clearly socialist political pole of attraction. thats the difference between the popular or peoples front and the united front. the united front has socialists work together with the liberals and social democrats but continue to argue their own politics and raise specifically socialist demands

The Ultimate Doge
May 1, 2019

by Nyc_Tattoo

apropos to nothing posted:

the reason popular fronts dont work is because the strategy specifically calls on the communists to basically take up the demands and program of the liberals. its not exactly liquidationist but they dont raise revolutionary consciousness. its fine to work together with liberals and social democrats to oppose the right, but doing so in a way that raises a clearly socialist political pole of attraction. thats the difference between the popular or peoples front and the united front. the united front has socialists work together with the liberals and social democrats but continue to argue their own politics and raise specifically socialist demands

Which type of front is the DSA

PERPETUAL IDIOT
Sep 12, 2003

The Ultimate Doge posted:

Which type of front is the DSA

Not a popular one.

apropos to nothing
Sep 5, 2003
a good modern day example I think is the CPUSA. heres an article on impeachment from a few years ago: https://www.cpusa.org/article/does-getting-rid-of-trump-matter/

it doesnt specifically lay out demands or tactics for achieving the impeachment of trump, just makes the argument that the desire for impeachment is rooted in a mass outrage and pressure from below on the democratic party. specifically "At every step of the process, the public perception (and the perception of the ruling class) must be that the investigation of the Trump regime represents a response to grassroots political pressure—not simply a factional struggle within the capitalist class."

but thats not what the case has been or was even back then, the case for impeachment has been overwhelmingly made by establishment democrats as a way to ignore movements around mass demands like $15 an hour, or end to the mass deportations, and has been rooted in nationalistic language around russian collusion and foreign powers tampering in elections.

its telling that the CPUSA website has no articles, that I can find anyway, on the airport shutdowns and the mass protests that led to the deportation orders to be stopped back in 2017. thats the approach that socialists should be arguing for and using examples currently happening as a point of reference for the broader working class to orient around. its a good example of how the popular front fails in practice. going on the CPUSA website is there much in the way of real demands that point forward to immediate next steps for the labor movement? they have an article calling for the abolishment of the electoral college, something that may have support by many but theres no mass movement to win, and a short article on the abortion bills passed in some states where they push a planned parenthood petition. there's no independent socialist political approach or demands presented, basically just a tailing of the democrats. this is the result of the popular front method, basically just tailing the workers rather than trying to present a political program which helps elevate struggle to a revolutionary and winning approach.

or sudan where the communist party has enetered coalition with the other opposition forces. thats good but when the recent 3 day general strike happened there were no demands. not even to end the transitional military council. the strike is good, but the majority of the country supports the protests now and the call for a strike was popular, but what effect does the strike have if its not to mobilize the workers to win something. the reason this demand didnt factor in is because the opposition was still trying to broker a deal with the generals to step down peacably and transfer power, something that will never happen and the communists should know this better than anyone. they support the transfer of power "to the people" but wont organize or call for the strikes to take on the approach of striking to bring down the government, or begin to organize defense councils among the neighborhood councils and rank and file soldiers to protect the revolution.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

apropos to nothing posted:

the reason popular fronts dont work is because the strategy specifically calls on the communists to basically take up the demands and program of the liberals. its not exactly liquidationist but they dont raise revolutionary consciousness. its fine to work together with liberals and social democrats to oppose the right, but doing so in a way that raises a clearly socialist political pole of attraction. thats the difference between the popular or peoples front and the united front. the united front has socialists work together with the liberals and social democrats but continue to argue their own politics and raise specifically socialist demands
not sure united fronts have worked better tbh

what i'm wondering is how you fit something like venezuela's "great patriotic pole" into this because this includes social democrats -- a kind of popular front orientation. it has its complications in many ways of course but it's hard to see how it would've survived as long as it has considering the siege it's under

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

apropos to nothing posted:

its telling that the CPUSA website has no articles, that I can find anyway, on the airport shutdowns and the mass protests that led to the deportation orders to be stopped back in 2017. thats the approach that socialists should be arguing for and using examples currently happening as a point of reference for the broader working class to orient around.

i have been literally screaming for everyone to go back to the airports for over a year

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gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

smarxist posted:

i have been literally screaming for everyone to go back to the airports for over a year

David Harvey correctly identified that airports are a locus of capitalism and is one of the key places that you can apply unbearable pressure towards even with relatively little effort

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