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bike tory posted:summon nishruu is good for absorbing spells against solo casters This is an excellent list, but I want to tack on that you should be extremely loving careful using Nishruu and Hakeashar spells. I'm not sure if it's been changed in EE, but they can and will devour magical items on their targets, so they are a double-edged sword against casters - yes they will eat them for breakfast, but casters tend to carry a lot of cool poo poo that will probably be devoured while they clown on the enemy caster. Go for it if you are absolutely sure you don't want any loot the enemy caster is carrying.
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bike tory posted:Horror lasts for ages, web is a pain in the rear end because it's not party friendly and glitter dust lasts for like, two rounds? For outdoors use horror sucks but most of the toughest battles are inside anyway. Web not being party friendly has never been an issue for me. And at lower levels the tougher fights are outdoors. Only Mulahey is an indoors fight and his skeletons don't care about Horror. e: DeadButDelicious posted:This is an excellent list, but I want to tack on that you should be extremely loving careful using Nishruu and Hakeashar spells. I'm not sure if it's been changed in EE, but they can and will devour magical items on their targets, so they are a double-edged sword against casters - yes they will eat them for breakfast, but casters tend to carry a lot of cool poo poo that will probably be devoured while they clown on the enemy caster. Go for it if you are absolutely sure you don't want any loot the enemy caster is carrying. Wizard Styles fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Jun 13, 2019 |
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So if I’m running a 2 handed weapon berserker, what should I be chunking fools with during BG2? I’m about to go say what’s up give me that soul back from Bhodi and I never really sell anything so I have a gang of stuff. E: and let’s also say I’m not above respecing with EEKeeper
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Wizard Styles posted:Nishruu and Hakeashar drain item charges. The only items they can destroy are wands. My mistake - there apparently was a bug in vanilla BG2 where these summoned creatures could eat magical items - quick google search has people reporting things like Robes of Archmagi, Protection Cloaks and Rings being eaten. I'm guessing it was patched, or has been fixed in EE, which is a relief since those reports always put me off using Nishruu and Hakeashar.
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DeadButDelicious posted:My mistake - there apparently was a bug in vanilla BG2 where these summoned creatures could eat magical items - quick google search has people reporting things like Robes of Archmagi, Protection Cloaks and Rings being eaten. I'm guessing it was patched, or has been fixed in EE, which is a relief since those reports always put me off using Nishruu and Hakeashar. It's probably not a bug, because nishruu in the pen and paper game do eat magic items. It's likely a QoL change in the EE to make them less frustrating to use.
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Eh, I still maintain that haste is better than slow. Tor'Gal is a great example, he's got like 30% magic resistance and save vs spells is 7 (needs to roll an 11/will save 45% of the time), so you'll need decent luck to get it to stick first time. Basically all the hardest melee enemies in the game are highly resistant to magic, and/or have good save vs spells: dragons, golems, drow, illithid, demons. Then there are all the casters who it has no effect on even if it goes through spell protections. And ultimately all it does is mitigate incoming damage which you have plenty of protections and basically limitless health potions for anyway. Plus, what is your tank doing with each action per round? Your wizard is better off casting other spells imo. Haste lasts for an entire turn already by the start of BG2, the duration really isn't an issue. At the end of the day the only enemies that are vulnerable to slow are also vulnerable to other disables (horror, web, chaos, glitter dust if that's your jam), which are better because they stop them attacking altogether.
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Did the BG2 EE add any noteworthy weapons a Cleric can use? Is it still the Crom Faeyr / Flail of Ages Power Hour?
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I don't know why you're arguing about this. I use slow all the time, you don't. It's great. It's not like I never use haste either. OK so Tor'Gal resists the first cast? Cast it again. If it takes (and odds are 2 casts are all you need), the fight is over. He goes from blender to toothless.
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This is a strange argument to me in general because how often do you end up in a situation where this is an either/or decision?
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You're the one coming in here with criticisms of my perfect list of the only spells mages need to cast 
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Suspicious posted:What made the biggest impression on me was fighting trolls, especially Tor'Gal, straight out of chateau Irenicus. He's a monster if all you got is haste. Slowed though, he's harmless. The difference is night and day. The way to really cheese Tor'Gal right out of Chateau Irenicus is Polymorph Self, because the Mustard Jelly is immune to everything he can do, and the AI in BG2 isn't smart enough to switch targets.
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Samuel Clemens posted:The way to really cheese Tor'Gal right out of Chateau Irenicus is Polymorph Self, because the Mustard Jelly is immune to everything he can do, and the AI in BG2 isn't smart enough to switch targets. It's a tiny doorway. Just block it with summons or your most buffed tank and fire off spells and arrows of flame at him. If the tank has protection from fire just lob fireballs non-stop into the fray.
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Anyone tried the Dragon Disciple kit in BGEE and onwards? How do the bonuses stack up compared to the penalties?
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KKKLIP ART posted:So if I’m running a 2 handed weapon berserker, what should I be chunking fools with during BG2? I’m about to go say what’s up give me that soul back from Bhodi and I never really sell anything so I have a gang of stuff. The sword of chaos should work just fine. I like using Lilarcor; but, you won't need it if you're a berserker. DeadButDelicious posted:Anyone tried the Dragon Disciple kit in BGEE and onwards? How do the bonuses stack up compared to the penalties? The bonuses are no substitute for more spells. But, it's fun. I usually use them in IWD with a specialist mage buddy.
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I played a Dragon Disciple through most of BGEE, and it was just fine. I'm not sure the bonuses would make a huge difference at higher levels, but the extra HP (and potentially regeneration if you max out your con and pick up the tome) was welcome early on. Losing one cast per day isn't great, but I didn't find it to be a huge deal either, though I probably wouldn't run one as my sole party arcane caster.
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KKKLIP ART posted:So if I’m running a 2 handed weapon berserker, what should I be chunking fools with during BG2? I’m about to go say what’s up give me that soul back from Bhodi and I never really sell anything so I have a gang of stuff. Fun weapons for cool people: Vorpal Silver Sword: hope you didn't give it back to the Gith like some kind of sucker The Impaler: the only good spear in SoA Staff of the Ram if you've already been to Watcher's Keep Mr. Baps fucked around with this message at 16:43 on Jun 14, 2019 |
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Jun 14, 2019 15:22
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The halberd and spear from tob also ignore literally any and all resistances once they're upgraded.
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Walrus Pete posted:Fun weapons for cool people: Like I would give back any weapon. I might be chaotic good but I’m not dumb.
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docbeard posted:I played a Dragon Disciple through most of BGEE, and it was just fine. I'm not sure the bonuses would make a huge difference at higher levels, but the extra HP (and potentially regeneration if you max out your con and pick up the tome) was welcome early on. Is the DD kit a bard kit? I remember that they added it to the EE but I never played it or really looked into it. Last DD character I had was when NWN: Shadows of Underweartide came out and introduced those first few prestige classes. Speaking of NWN, is NWN2 still buggy as gently caress, like are warlocks still broken, and if so, are there any community fixes for that stuff?
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DD in the EEs is sorcerer only, the 2e bard is mostly a FMT on an advantageous XP table
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chaosapiant posted:Speaking of NWN, is NWN2 still buggy as gently caress Yes. This include the "Get stuck in the Mere of Dead Men and can't open the door to get out" thing after Arvahn and Riverguard Keep.
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docbeard posted:I played a Dragon Disciple through most of BGEE, and it was just fine. I'm not sure the bonuses would make a huge difference at higher levels, but the extra HP (and potentially regeneration if you max out your con and pick up the tome) was welcome early on. The AC and extra HP's are really nice for BG1, as well as the fire breath. Not to mention you also get 100% fire immunity which is helpful. I just restarted (but using spell revisions, item revisions, and the item randomizer) to kind of mix up the game play and the extra survivability is very nice. Experts would likely disagree though.
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I don't think Dragon Disciple is a good trade myself, but it won't wreck your run or anything. It makes you more survivable in the early game and weaker in the endgame when you'll miss those 8th and 9th level spells per day. You're still an arcane caster though so it's not like your endgame is going to suck. The CON bonus is kind of awkward. If you try to optimize it and roll with 14 starting CON you lose out on the benefit of your extra hp early on when it's most important. I suppose the best use for it is to start with 18 CON and grab the constitution tome at or before level 5 so you can get the passive regen at a point in the game when it might actually be a minor convenience. By the end of BG1 though your clerics have enough healing casts that waiting on 1 hp per minute is so slow it might as well not exist. You can hit 110% fire resist in BG1 with just the fire resistance ring and a robe of fire protection, which would let you do fun stuff like fireball yourself or scout invisibly while the rest of the party dumps necklaces of missiles / wands of fire into enemies just out of their sight range. I mean anyone with a cleric to cast a level 2 spell on them can do the same, but this is more convenient? Fire resist is really better on a tank than a caster. The d6 hit point die is cool. 10-20 extra hp by level 10 is good. The +AC is whatever. You still won't have anywhere near as much as an actual armor wearer, and late game everything will have 95% hit odds against you unless you have Stoneskin up. Might save you a health pot if you get caught out of position by some skeleton archers in BG1. In the end though it's all fine. You're an arcane caster with no multiclass xp penalty. You'll still wreck everything by the endgame and you'll enjoy it more if you take something with a flavor that seems cool to you. Unless you're doing solo jester speedruns or whatever all this theorycrafting is just for unnecessary kicks. Walrus Pete posted:This is actually the only reason that I like Chromatic Orb, if I'm being honest. I unexpectedly insta-killed one of BG2's many dragons with it once and it stuck with me. I love this kind of stuff. There's enough weird memorable crap in this series that missing it because some nerd like me theorycrafted you out of seeing it would be a real shame. Kill Sarevok with Chill Touch.
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Doesn't chromatic orb suck from I think level 7-9 when it causes flesh to stone and destroys all the NPC's items when you chunk the statue?
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Zane posted:i remember my sorcerer still using the lvl 2 horror spell in throne of bhall with time stop and improved alacrity so that i could cast 10 of them at once or whatever. thems were some good times. Terrified by the power of statistics. Dillbag posted:Doesn't chromatic orb suck from I think level 7-9 when it causes flesh to stone and destroys all the NPC's items when you chunk the statue? 10-12th level. That's what the stone to flesh scroll you've been carrying around is for (after the other enemies are dead). Unless they don't have any loot. Then smash away.
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The Dragon Disciple is always weaker than an unkitted Sorcerer. The breath weapon is never actually good compared to any spells you could cast instead of using it, the defensive bonuses are largely superfluous for a Sorcerer, and although Sorcerers don't run out of spells a lot later on having less casts of whatever your better spells are at the time will always hurt you. "Weaker than an unkitted Sorcerer" definitely doesn't mean weak, though.
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KKKLIP ART posted:Like I would give back any weapon. I might be chaotic good but I’m not dumb. I would give it back to the githzerai. The githyanki can get hosed, though. Mzbundifund posted:I love this kind of stuff. There's enough weird memorable crap in this series that missing it because some nerd like me theorycrafted you out of seeing it would be a real shame. Kill Sarevok with Chill Touch. Chill touch can be surprisingly not-bad. Shocking grasp, on the other hand.....
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Walrus Pete posted:Vorpal Silver Sword: hope you didn't give it back to the Gith like some kind of sucker It's not a very good weapon, honestly. Sure it might be the best two-handed sword in SoA, but why are you using swords when you could be using halberds instead for the Wave?
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Cythereal posted:It's not a very good weapon, honestly. Sure it might be the best two-handed sword in SoA, but why are you using swords when you could be using halberds instead for the Wave? I only use two-handed swords on the PC if I'm playing a paladin, personally. But Minsc loves swords and even though I always tell myself I'll make him dual wield blunt weapons, I never do. And for the Silver Sword in particular, I'm a huge sucker for insta-kill effects. I always liked Finger of Death and Disintegrate even though there are much better spells available at those levels. Also, sweet geek swag posted:Swords are cool. 
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Walrus Pete posted:I only use two-handed swords on the PC if I'm playing a paladin, personally. But Minsc loves swords and even though I always tell myself I'll make him dual wield blunt weapons, I never do. Minsc's racial enemy in BG2 is vampires. I usually hand him the Mace of Disruption and let him have at it. For my paladins, I've had good results dual-wielding Purifier and one of the other good one-handers. Yeah, Carsomyr's an icon, but there's a one-handed holy avenger, too, and a dual wielding paladin can be neat.
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Daystar is a really really good weapon. There's a ton of evil and undead enemies in the game, it counts as +4 even vs. non-evil enemies, and sunray's an awesome spell to use on a frontliner. Gibbing the lich to get it immediately isn't hard at all if you just buy the right counters from the early shops.
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Mzbundifund posted:Daystar is a really really good weapon. There's a ton of evil and undead enemies in the game, it counts as +4 even vs. non-evil enemies, and sunray's an awesome spell to use on a frontliner. Gibbing the lich to get it immediately isn't hard at all if you just buy the right counters from the early shops. Yeah just grab the azuredge from the copper coronet after hendak takes over, every hit causes undead to save at -4 or die. Daystar owns bones and might even let you finish all the lich stuff to get the ring of Gaxx pretty early if you don't mind some save scumming.
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But strikes as a +4 weapon (vs. evil creatures) like it's supposed to (unlike the original where this behavior did not work properly). In any case, its Sunray ability is what you use it for vs. liches: Damage: 3d6 (Save vs. Spell or be blinded for 1 turn) Undead: An additional 1d6 points of damage per level of caster (Save vs. Spell or be destroyed) Dootman fucked around with this message at 04:00 on Jun 15, 2019 |
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 I thought it was a +4 weapon (against everything) in the original editions for some reason.
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Wizard Styles posted:
I think it was +4 damage (and maybe THAC0) to the appropriate targets, but wouldn't work against undead who needed a +3 or +4 weapon to be hit at all.
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What’s the general consensus on the better game: Icewind Dale 1 or 2?
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chaosapiant posted:What’s the general consensus on the better game: Icewind Dale 1 or 2? 1 because it has an EE with good QoL improvements.
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