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forkboy84 posted:It's a weird way to describe it, bias. It's just that current New Japan (& let's be clear, he's not regularly reviewing Dragon Gate or All Japan) is what he likes to watch more than anything since 90s All Japan. Would Ross describe himself as biased towards Bill Watts style pro wrestling? yes
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Dave is bias towards the best wrestling available.
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Dave handles WWE with kid gloves, the idea that he's biased against them is a joke
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Jun 14, 2019 17:20
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So you're saying if WWE sucked less, Dave would like them more? Makes you think.
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Jun 14, 2019 17:24
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The thing Meltzer antis and WWE stans just don't get is he grades WWE on such a massive, gigantic curve. And up until recently he gave them a pretty insane amount of benefit of the doubt.
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VJeff posted:The thing Meltzer antis and WWE stans just don't get is he grades WWE on such a massive, gigantic curve. And up until recently he gave them a pretty insane amount of benefit of the doubt. they don't actually read or listen to him, they just make the same "11.99" and "tokyo dome" jokes on reddit and harass him on Twitter for daring to watch wrestling that isn't produced by vince mcmahon
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I'd like to admit I am also biased towards things that are better than other things
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If you dislike something I like, the only rational explanation is that you are unfairly biased. My tastes are based on science so please educate yourself before you continue embarrassing yourself.
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I wonder if there's a Dave Meltzer of the dog fighting world.
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coconono posted:I wonder if there's a Dave Meltzer of the dog fighting world. yeah, it's my uncle Ronald
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Jun 14, 2019 17:33
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I want Dave to break another finger so we get back to three Garrett and Dave shows every week
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Low Desert Punk posted:yeah, it's my uncle Ronald do the Vince Russo's of the dogfighting world go after him as hard?
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coconono posted:do the Vince Russo's of the dogfighting world go after him as hard? you fuckin better believe i do
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coconono posted:do the Vince Russo's of the dogfighting world go after him as hard? yeah, that's Grandpa Larry
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Everyone has bias; it is a good thing that informs our view of the world and helps us survive. It is a lens through which we see. The difference between good and bad bias isn’t the quality which you are biased for or against, but whether you are aware of it. Dave doesn’t like YTR matches but he usually says “if you like this sort of thing, it was good.”
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Jun 14, 2019 18:24
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Dave doesn't like YTR matches because Dave's brain has giant WWE sized worms going through it
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dave is biased towards japanese wrestling. it's not a bad thing and jim wasn't saying it as a bad thing. i know i've outed myself as listening to Grilling JR hosted by Conrad "Connie" Thompson, and defending cancelled jim ross but i'd like to clear the air
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Jun 14, 2019 18:27
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i'd rather eat a steak than a massive load of horse poo poo. can't believe i'm biased towards steak, smdh
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yea ok posted:dave is biased towards japanese wrestling. it's not a bad thing and jim wasn't saying it as a bad thing. i know i've outed myself as listening to Grilling JR hosted by Conrad "Connie" Thompson, and defending cancelled jim ross but i'd like to clear the air It's not actually true though, Meltzer is "biased" (honestly a weird way to describe liking something to me but whatever) towards New Japan. I rarely hear him talk up Dragon Gate, All Japan, Big Japan, DDT, NOAH or anyone else. He's not watching every watch in King of Gate or Champion Carnival.
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yea ok posted:dave is biased towards japanese wrestling. it's not a bad thing and jim wasn't saying it as a bad thing. i know i've outed myself as listening to Grilling JR hosted by Conrad "Connie" Thompson, and defending cancelled jim ross but i'd like to clear the air go kill some dogs about it
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forkboy84 posted:It's not actually true though, Meltzer is "biased" (honestly a weird way to describe liking something to me but whatever) towards New Japan. I rarely hear him talk up Dragon Gate, All Japan, Big Japan, DDT, NOAH or anyone else. He's not watching every watch in King of Gate or Champion Carnival. He can't watch everything. And to be fair he has fairly recently been talking about how Kento Miyahara is one of the best workers in the world.
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Dave is wrong because Kenoh is 10000% cooler than Kenny Omega will ever be.
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coconono posted:you can hear the drop off in crowd response when they realize they're getting stuck in for another round of McMahon Family Drama Bullshit. I've never seen that before (only read about it being mocked from you guys) and it really is: "We're going to change things, listen to you more, and stop suffocating our talent!" YAY!!!!! "We're going to be here all the time and be in total control!" Ohh...
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Raffles posted:go kill some dogs about it you first bitch
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Jun 14, 2019 20:01
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Dave obviously has a bias towards Japanese wrestling. It doesn't mean that Japanese wrestling isn't much better than most western wrestling.
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I'd rather watch young lions trade boston crabs instead of whatever 3 hour nonsense WWE has going on.
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If Meltzer's opinion didn't matter then these idiots wouldn't obsess over it so much.
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do you mind if I steal that saying for a tweet?
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He's biased towards Japanese wrestling except Taichi and YTR matches. Also, NXT is located in Japan and all ladders are Japanese in origin.
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It’s almost entirely New Japan - he’s picked up the All Japan talk with Kento’s current run but when it comes to DDT or Dragon Gate or lower level indies or literally any Joshi you’ll get either nothing or some little news fragments, results and perhaps one match review a year at most. Now I think that if he didn’t feel the need to watch a million hours of WWE and UFC a week then you’d get more but that’s him plus there are other places to go for that sort of thing.
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Dave’s extrapolation of WWE/AEW crossover purely from PPVs seems like the shakiest thing, because WWE PPV buyers are by no means a representative sample of WWE fans
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Jun 15, 2019 13:08
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yeah people still buying WWE ppvs in America in 2019 are the "Japanese soldier found still fighting ww2 40 years later" of die hard fans
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i bet it skews real old and real rural as well
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Raskolnikov38 posted:yeah people still buying WWE ppvs in America in 2019 are the "Japanese soldier found still fighting ww2 40 years later" of die hard fans Not everyone in the world has good internet service. Even in America there are a lot of locations where it's spotty at best
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Chris James 2 posted:Not everyone in the world has good internet service. Even in America there are a lot of locations where it's spotty at best true but Dave said he had numbers from metro areas that he was using to compare also I really hope that data was anonymized. not exactly sure why Dave has access to lists of PPVs that specific people bought
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Garrett: We’re here on a Friday night... Dave: Friday afternoon. I love Dave Bot.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:true but Dave said he had numbers from metro areas that he was using to compare Because he has contacts in the PPV industry dating back 35 years.
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How far have they gotten with uploading old observers? I was thinking about subbing for a month to grab a bunch
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