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Helsing posted:This article seems more concerned with selling ... than it does on actually providing any useful new information
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Welcome to journalism! I preferred the tragedy to the farce.
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Helsing posted:I preferred the tragedy to the farce.
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https://www.voanews.com/south-central-asia/taliban-us-welcome-release-insurgent-prisoners-kabulquote:ISLAMABAD - The government in Afghanistan has unilaterally initiated a process of releasing hundreds of Taliban prisoners, a move being hailed both by the insurgent group and the United States amid a renewed push for finding a political settlement to the deadly Afghan war. I get the feeling releasing 900 Taliban fighters is going to backfire hard on the Afghan government.
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OhFunny posted:https://www.voanews.com/south-central-asia/taliban-us-welcome-release-insurgent-prisoners-kabul Could also create a new faction in taliban hierarchy
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OhFunny posted:https://www.voanews.com/south-central-asia/taliban-us-welcome-release-insurgent-prisoners-kabul
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FlamingLiberal posted:I mean yeah, but their hope is to do a ceasefire A ceasefire with the americans. Crasefire happens americans all leave taliban strangulates government to death either way Trump rides off in the mission accomplished g6
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OhFunny posted:https://www.voanews.com/south-central-asia/taliban-us-welcome-release-insurgent-prisoners-kabul You'd have to be pretty credulous to take the Afghan government at face value when it claims all 900 of those people were actual Taliban fighters.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Its government is ostensibly headed by dudes taking their instructions from an imaginary friend. Speaking of Reddit Atheists Hottakes on religions, there's something in the Bible about beams and motes. The USA are the worst country in the world to criticize other countries for being led by religious nutters. Unimpressed posted:Except America has repeatedly stated it's express desire to destroy Iran. Bush Jr, when he was president said it on many occasions. FIFY Fallen Hamprince posted:When Iranian hardliners state that they believe that America and Israel are forces of evil that ought to be destroyed, you can safely take them at their word. They are also 100% accurate on this point.
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The idea of Iran having a burning desire to destroy the Great Satan, literally and physically, is completely at odds with them being perfectly OK to work and trade with Europe. Unless you believe that they are all super committed to some nuanced, obscure ideology that justifies how one country is bad while an identical different country is good (especially when the good countries are actually those that radicalized the original generation of islamist revolutionaries of 1979 in the first place by being the main agents of imperialism in iran)
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steinrokkan posted:The idea of Iran having a burning desire to destroy the Great Satan, literally and physically, is completely at odds with them being perfectly OK to work and trade with Europe. Unless you believe that they are all super committed to some nuanced, obscure ideology that justifies how one country is bad while an identical different country is good (especially when the good countries are actually those that radicalized the original generation of islamist revolutionaries of 1979 in the first place by being the main agents of imperialism in iran) The regime hates all Western governments, they're just between a rock and a hard place because the majority of Iranian civilians do not. They give up concessions to their people while sabotaging the process and explaining all along the way that these sorts of deals were not in Iran's best interest to begin with. They've been trying to foment a new wave of hatred for the West so they can entrench their position as the defenders of the values of the revolution. That is their position on Europe as well. Ironically, they suffer from the same level of internal distrust among their people that western governments do, so people tend to believe the opposite. http://english.khamenei.ir/news/6456/Why-are-European-governments-not-reliable-Imam-Khamenei-elaborates Cat Mattress posted:They are also 100% accurate on this point. Well it comes with a heavy dose of anti-semitism and holocaust denial so nah.
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They are not the ones sabotaging poo poo, my bud.
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steinrokkan posted:They are not the ones sabotaging poo poo, my bud. It's not black and white, bud.
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steinrokkan posted:(especially when the good countries are actually those that radicalized the original generation of islamist revolutionaries of 1979 in the first place by being the main agents of imperialism in iran) You mean the UK, the UK and Russia, and the UK and the USA? Iranians are pragmatic enough to see that the UK today is but a shadow of its former self, Russia likewise, while the USA are still being the worst. As far as western Europe is concerned, Iran doesn't have strong personal reasons to have historical beefs with Germany, France, Italy, Spain or the others.
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guidoanselmi posted:Brown Moses, if you want to be honest, you should disclose that the US Navy has a track record of fabricating audio/video footage RE: Iran. Brown Moses, I sincerely want to know why you don't think America's track record of fabricating intelligence is not worth discussing in your analysis of said intelligence.
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The problem with "Oh, don't look at their material policy, they actually hate us and are waiting for an opportunity to strike" is that it can be used to fuel xenophobia against ANYBODY. China? They hate the wast, they are just playing along because they benefit momentarily. We need to keep them down before they grow over our heads.
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Volkerball sniffs his own farts.Volkerball posted:The regime hates all Western governments, they're just between a rock and a hard place because the majority of Iranian civilians do not. This was never explicitly the case, dummy. It was always a matter of anti-imperialism from the time of Shariati.
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Cat Mattress posted:You mean the UK, the UK and Russia, and the UK and the USA? I meant UK mostly, yes. France was friendly with the Pahlavi family. Many of the revolutionaries lived in France for a long time. I don't really know about Germany.
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guidoanselmi posted:This was never explicitly the case, dummy. It was always a matter of anti-imperialism from the time of Shariati. And if there's no one to be anti-imperialist against, what is the necessity for the clerical establishment to have a death grip on power in Iran?
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There is nobody to be antiimperialist against, I say as American troops are tying a noose around Iran and the rsults of American imperialism are still burning bright all over the region
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Antiimperialist President Donald J. Trump: "We have unilaterally decided to place 100000 soldiers into bases around Iran" I, a smart poster: "Thank god imperialism has been cancelled, or this could be seen as a really bad look"
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steinrokkan posted:There is nobody to be antiimperialist against, I say as American troops are tying a noose around Iran and the rsults of American imperialism are still burning bright all over the region That's not what I said at all. Simply that they weren't interested in rapprochement with the US or with Europe. But if you're going to be consistent on anti-imperialism, there's an awful lot of Iranian troops in Syria and Iraq.
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Yeah, heran is acting like a standard regional power, another reason not to see them as an Oriental inscrutable monster country.
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Helsing posted:You'd have to be pretty credulous to take the Afghan government at face value when it claims all 900 of those people were actual Taliban fighters. Depends how insistent the Taliban was. The Afghan government isn't exactly bargaining from a position of strength.
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steinrokkan posted:Yeah, heran is acting like a standard regional power, another reason not to see them as an Oriental inscrutable monster country. Imperialism is fine so long as you say death the america while you do it.
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guidoanselmi posted:Brown Moses, I sincerely want to know why you don't think America's track record of fabricating intelligence is not worth discussing in your analysis of said intelligence. You need a twitter if you're going to continue to yell at cowards who won't debate you
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I probably should have said 'relatively homogenous' Iran is like 75% Persian Shia, it's going to be a lot harder for the Americans to exploit ethnic and religious divides than it was in Iraq. There are almost twice as many Persians in Iran as there was total Iraqis of all religions and ethnic groups
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Darth Walrus posted:Depends how insistent the Taliban was. The Afghan government isn't exactly bargaining from a position of strength. I don't see any particular reason to believe that people arrested by Afghan police or US soldiers would actually be Taliban fighters just because the Afghan government says they are. It would also help explain why the government is so eager to get rid of them since I'm sure the Afghan government knows better than most that its own police, not to mention American soldiers, are not particularly reliable when it comes to correctly identifying Taliban insurgents.
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It wouldn't be the first time a ME government tried an amnesty as a means of giving the militants an incentive to surrender. Turkey's been trying it on and off with the PKK for decades (but that case is also an argument for "it doesn't work")
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BM if a government releases a war mongering incredibly suspect piece of footage with nearly zero context that just smells suspicious in 25 different ways, the proper place in your NYT editorial to put your half-hearted critique "it's not slam dunk evidence" of it is A) First paragraph B) Don't even mention it C) Bury it two paragraphs from the end which literally 1% of people who see the article will read through that bad writing to get to D) At the end E) Hammer how loving suspect it looks start to finish and also consult gcaptain for your petroleum industry shipping forum needs jfc
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Volkerball posted:That's not what I said at all. Simply that they weren't interested in rapprochement with the US or with Europe. It's the US who backed out of a treaty, not Iran. It's also the US that currently isn't interested in a rapprochement with Europe, but that's a topic for another thread.
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Volkerball posted:That's not what I said at all. Simply that they weren't interested in rapprochement with the US or with Europe. But if you're going to be consistent on anti-imperialism, there's an awful lot of Iranian troops in Syria and Iraq. if only you could have stopped Iran from tearing up that agreement, eh, Mr. Bolton
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Herstory Begins Now posted:BM if a government releases a war mongering incredibly suspect piece of footage with nearly zero context that just smells suspicious in 25 different ways, the proper place in your NYT editorial to put your half-hearted critique "it's not slam dunk evidence" of it is Frankly I don't give a poo poo about the opinions of people who can't work their way through a 1000 word articles before getting mad about what they imagine the conclusion might be.
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Brown Moses posted:Frankly I don't give a poo poo about the opinions of people who can't work their way through a 1000 word articles before getting mad about what they imagine the conclusion might be.
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Yeah but like 700 words of that article is about googling stuff. You have a duty, dude
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Brown Moses posted:Frankly I don't give a poo poo about the opinions of people who can't work their way through a 1000 word articles before getting mad about what they imagine the conclusion might be.
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steinrokkan posted:Frankly I can't give a poo poo about the opinion of a man who writes a 1000 word article about how he used google to "verify" information, only to end up not proving anyhing one way or another. He verified that there are two ships out there with some amount of damage to them and literally nothing beyond that.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:He verified that there are two ships out there with some amount of damage to them and literally nothing beyond that. i respect that someone from these forums is now on the "please buy my product to support the war effort" grift though
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Herstory Begins Now posted:He verified that there are two ships out there with some amount of damage to them and literally nothing beyond that. Truly "open source forensics" is the way of the future and not made up bullshit
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Herstory Begins Now posted:He verified that there are two ships out there with some amount of damage to them and literally nothing beyond that. democracy dies in the darkness
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