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I think the levelling system is just bad for the game. The game already has a very accessible easy mode and character progression from chips, all the levelling does is wall you out of some areas earlier on and probably make the last part of the game much too easy if you've been doing sidequests.
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The most memorable fight for me was the Dojo Robot, due to being severely underleveled. It was a nearly hour long battle, used up all of my consumables, and my controller was slippery with sweat by the end.
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May 24, 2019 00:19
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Route A/B makes sense in retrospect as the first step in a character-switching pattern which escalates as the game goes on; later in the game you'll switch between characters with greater frequency. It's also the first real step in disassociating you from the characters. At the start of the game, there's a lot of effort put into immersing you "in" the character- the UI being the androids' HUD, powers being chips, death and resurrection and fast travel via the kiosks, etc. Starting with the beginning of route B the game disentangles us from that immersion- we have a different character's POV, we see events that character can't possibly have been present for- what even are the diorama scenes, diegetically?- and we'll get further away from "being" the character as the game progresses, with the ending pretty much relying on you being separate from the characters but still feeling empathy for them. All of which doesn't make playing the whole first half of the game twice any less of an insane and tedious decision!
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May 24, 2019 01:20
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2house2fly posted:All of which doesn't make playing the whole first half of the game twice any less of an insane and tedious decision! Yoko Taro has done far, far meaner things. Look up how to get the final ending in Nier Gestalt sometime.
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May 24, 2019 01:24
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Irony Be My Shield posted:I think the levelling system is just bad for the game. The game already has a very accessible easy mode and character progression from chips, all the levelling does is wall you out of some areas earlier on and probably make the last part of the game much too easy if you've been doing sidequests. Hard agree.
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May 24, 2019 11:37
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I feel like levels and EXP are in this game (and maybe in some other games too) merely as a vestige no one paid much attention to. It's an RPG so it's gotta have levels, right?
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May 24, 2019 11:52
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Good post 2house. The game does ask something of its players, but it's necessary and the payoff is worth it. It's like challenging cinema. 
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May 24, 2019 12:04
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Amppelix posted:I feel like levels and EXP are in this game (and maybe in some other games too) merely as a vestige no one paid much attention to. It's an RPG so it's gotta have levels, right? That's the actual reasoning Yoko Taro presented in an interview
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May 24, 2019 13:42
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IIRC leveling is in and it scales crazily so that no matter how much trouble someone is having on a boss, you can grind a bit and outlevel it easily to keep going through the story.
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May 24, 2019 13:56
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Samuringa posted:That's the actual reasoning Yoko Taro presented in an interview That was pretty funny, I'd expected an answer talking about the androids' mission being to gather combat data presented as XP and the enemies levelling up too representing the neverending arms race in the neverending war or something, but he literally just said "there's levels in the game because it's an RPG". Yoko Taro ftw
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May 24, 2019 14:50
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The most frustrating thing about leveling to me was that it’s so easy to over level if you like exploring or do any side quests that it becomes actually impossible for most people to see a really cool Easter egg late in the game. And locking the deleveling item behind a level 99 arena battle is just trolling.
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May 24, 2019 15:10
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it's trolling. But there's a place in my heart for incredibly impractical secret content. (i never bothered doing it)
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May 24, 2019 15:16
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Esme posted:The most frustrating thing about leveling to me was that it’s so easy to over level if you like exploring or do any side quests that it becomes actually impossible for most people to see a really cool Easter egg late in the game. And locking the deleveling item behind a level 99 arena battle is just trolling. What's the Easter Egg?
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May 24, 2019 15:18
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I enjoyed my hard playthrough and didnt feel like i was dying to unfair offscreen damage. You eventually do outlevel stuff to the point that most bosses took me 2-3 attempts as opposed to a few dozen during the earlier chapters. Then again most players probably finished the entire game without dying so ymmv Also for insanely hidden easter eggs theres the golden rule that it will be on youtube roughly 37 minutes after the game launched anyway
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May 24, 2019 15:23
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Look Sir Droids posted:What's the Easter Egg? Presumably they mean (final final ending spoilers) hacking A2 as 9S during the boss fight in ending C/D, if you do it a couple times the camera zooms out further and further to show you're hacking the game's own pause menu. If you are above like level 60 or so you literally cannot see it because hacking does too much damage.
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May 24, 2019 15:25
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Oh that. I guess you can overlevel that yeah.
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May 24, 2019 15:29
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CJacobs posted:Presumably they mean (final final ending spoilers) hacking A2 as 9S during the boss fight in ending C/D, if you do it a couple times the camera zooms out further and further to show you're hacking the game's own pause menu. If you are above like level 60 or so you literally cannot see it because hacking does too much damage. Yep, it’s this. You will level too much to see it if you do most side quests in sequence instead of leaving a bunch until after the game, iirc.
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May 24, 2019 15:30
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CJacobs posted:Presumably they mean (final final ending spoilers) hacking A2 as 9S during the boss fight in ending C/D, if you do it a couple times the camera zooms out further and further to show you're hacking the game's own pause menu. If you are above like level 60 or so you literally cannot see it because hacking does too much damage. It's been a while, so I can't recall why that would be significant other than "oh neat".
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May 24, 2019 15:39
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At the very least it would make a lot of sense to adjust the final boss's level to your own.
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May 24, 2019 15:44
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Look Sir Droids posted:It's been a while, so I can't recall why that would be significant other than "oh neat".
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May 24, 2019 15:51
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Look Sir Droids posted:It's been a while, so I can't recall why that would be significant other than "oh neat". It's totally cool. The game is so dense with cool, thematic moments that it's lame to miss them because of shoddy gameplay design.
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May 24, 2019 17:16
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Irony Be My Shield posted:At the very least it would make a lot of sense to adjust the final boss's level to your own. Yeah, including an option to sync enemy levels to your character level would have been the exact bandaid the RPG system needed to fix its flaws. I have no idea why they didn't add that, it makes so much sense. edit: Hell, they wouldn't have even needed to make it an option the player could toggle. Just have the game automatically make any enemy below your character level jump up to ~1-3 under it and leave anything above your level untouched. CJacobs fucked around with this message at 17:28 on May 24, 2019 |
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May 24, 2019 17:26
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UP AND ADAM posted:It's totally cool. The game is so dense with cool, thematic moments that it's lame to miss them because of shoddy gameplay design. Right. I just don't recall why revealing it as the pause menu would be thematic. But as a previous poster said, it doesn't look like that particular thing means anything. Kind of surprised no one has modded in better lvl scaling.
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May 24, 2019 17:35
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Look Sir Droids posted:Right. I just don't recall why revealing it as the pause menu would be thematic. But as a previous poster said, it doesn't look like that particular thing means anything. The pause menu IS the android's like internal OS menu. That's pretty well established early on when you and 9S adjust 2B's settings. The game does need better level scaling....its way to easy if you do any extra content but......eh whatever I like it as it is, a flawed gem.
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May 24, 2019 18:17
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Madmarker posted:The pause menu IS the android's like internal OS menu. That's pretty well established early on when you and 9S adjust 2B's settings. Right. But you already know that from the beginning of the game so that easter egg is not revealing any secrets. What I'm saying is it doesn't look like I have that much reason to be mad I missed out on the easter egg.
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May 24, 2019 18:20
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Look Sir Droids posted:Right. I just don't recall why revealing it as the pause menu would be thematic. But as a previous poster said, it doesn't look like that particular thing means anything. Is there any level scaling at all? Maybe the game just straight-up doesn't support it?
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May 24, 2019 20:16
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Look Sir Droids posted:Right. But you already know that from the beginning of the game so that easter egg is not revealing any secrets. The reason to be mad is that it's an extremely cool "oh poo poo!!" moment: https://youtu.be/8UW0sXZx53Q
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Organza Quiz posted:The reason to be mad is that it's an extremely cool "oh poo poo!!" moment: https://youtu.be/8UW0sXZx53Q Holy crap! I never even tried hacking her, the sword was good enough. That’s amazing. This frikkin game, you guys.
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May 25, 2019 02:35
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Organza Quiz posted:The reason to be mad is that it's an extremely cool "oh poo poo!!" moment: https://youtu.be/8UW0sXZx53Q Whoa, that’s badass. I had only done the first three hacking scenarios because she was always dead by then.
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May 25, 2019 03:37
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In case you aren’t in the general PS4 thread, this just happened:
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Don't let that fucker touch an actual good design, it'll get tainted, and not only by association
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Jun 16, 2019 08:06
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RoadCrewWorker posted:Don't let that fucker touch an actual good design, it'll get tainted, and not only by association  Too late.
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lmao what the gently caress elon somehow out of all the dumbass things he's done "i wish people would stop crediting artists" gets me the hardest
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Jun 16, 2019 10:37
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ImpAtom posted:
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Jun 16, 2019 12:19
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Money
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Jun 16, 2019 12:27
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It's someone called Meli Magali, since you ask.
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Jun 16, 2019 12:53
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I’m pretty sure Musk just tweets about anime every time he needs his Twitter sycophants to boost him out of an ambien induced depression.
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Jun 16, 2019 17:00
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RoadCrewWorker posted:How is he such a neverending cesspit of finding ways to be a despicable blight on the human race, you'd think there were laws of physics preventing this poo poo (cause actual laws sure don't) he's wealthy and extremely online like notch, it's two great tastes that taste great together
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Dabir posted:It's someone called Meli Magali, since you ask. there's something disturbing about how this person does lips.
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So why exactly did Musk post a picture of 2b?
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