Dysentery Dissertations - Let's Play (And Learn About!) Oregon Trail 5

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SelenicMartian: Sep 14, 2013; Sometimes it's not the bomb that's retarded.

Can't we force feed all sick people bear?

# ? Jun 13, 2019 21:02

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# ? May 28, 2024 03:36

gegi: Aug 3, 2004; Butterfly Girl

Can we force feed sick people to bears, making the bears both fatter and slower (thus easier to hunt)?

# ? Jun 13, 2019 21:08

Commander Keene: Dec 21, 2016; Faster than the others

Slow down. We just got almost 200 lbs. of meat, so our food situation isn't as dire any more.

# ? Jun 13, 2019 21:11

Truthkeeper: Nov 29, 2010; Friends don't let friends borrow on credit.

Pretty sure ice baths are the cure for pneumonia.

# ? Jun 13, 2019 21:44

HiHo ChiRho: Oct 23, 2010

Keep Meaty Ore cool and moist

# ? Jun 13, 2019 21:57

UED Special Ops: Oct 21, 2008; Grimey Drawer

And the cursed wagon continues to line up aliments. For this, hmm...
Keep them warm and dry, because why not?

# ? Jun 14, 2019 02:55

chitoryu12: Apr 24, 2014

The Laramie River is easy to cross and we suffer no coffee-related casualties.

We stop in Fort William, which would be renamed Fort Laramie years later, for supplies. We buy hundreds of pounds of salt pork, bacon, pemmican, dried vegetables, and biscuits.

On our route we find an abandoned wagon with some maple syrup and a pair of winter coats to fight over.

And somehow the former Blind Sally is taken out yet again!

# ? Jun 14, 2019 03:42

FriskyBoat: Apr 23, 2011

Walk it off, loser.

# ? Jun 14, 2019 03:54

Night10194: Feb 13, 2012; We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

Apply Alcohol in all things in life really.

# ? Jun 14, 2019 04:04

Slaan: Mar 16, 2009; ASHERAH DEMANDS I FEAST, I VOTE FOR A FEAST OF FLESH

Night10194 posted:

Apply Alcohol in all things in life really.

Alcohol fixes all

# ? Jun 14, 2019 04:10

Epicurius: Apr 10, 2010; College Slice

Kind of late, but lets see what Dr. Gunn recommends to treat pneumonia. (It includes more foot soaking, and also a bunch of vomiting)

quote:

Treatment. � The treatment in all cases of inflammation of the lungs, should consist mainly in emetics, diaphoretics, (or sweating medicines), expectorants, with external means for aiding perspira tion and the equal distribution of the blood ; and in case the tongue becomes coated, dark, brown, or yellow, cathartics that act on the liver. I lay down the following as a proper course to be pursued in a bad case ; which can be varied according to circumstances.

First, you may commence by letting the patient sit for half an hour, with his feet and legs in warm water, and drink some warm sweating teas, as the Composition powder, with a little powdered Blood root added, or Pennyroyal and Sage. In the mean time, boil in a large pot or kettle, a quantity of bitter herbs, as Hoarhound, Tansy, Hops, Boneset, Smartweed, Horsemint, and Peach leaves, a handful of each, or of as many as you can get. Then take the vessel from the fire, strip the patient, and seat him over it, with a blanket thrown round his shoulders, and allowed to fall to the floor around him, and outside of the chair, so as to confine the steam arising from the herbs and hot water in the vessel, and at the same time allow it to come in contact with his body as high as his neck. Continue this for half an hour, occasionally throwing into the vessel a hot brick or rock, to raise the steam ; wet the face and head with cold water, if the patient feels faint, and let him continue supping a little of the warm teas.

Next wipe him off quick and put him in bed, and give immediately a thorough emetic, composed of equal parts powdered Lobelia seed, Blood root and Ipecac. Take a large tablespoonful of the compound, and pour on it a pint of hot water, stir, and let stand fifteen minutes, and then commence giving it in half a teacupful every five to ten minutes, until the patient has vomited thoroughly, three or four times. During the intervals between vomiting, let him drink freely of Pennyroyal, Sage, Composition, or Boneset tea.

After the emetic is through with, place hot bricks, or boiled corn in the cars, about the patient in bed, keep him well covered, continue the warm tea occasionally, with, a very little of the emetic infusion dded, so as to keep the stomach slightly nauseated, and let him sweat. After continuing this for three hours, and the patient has sweat pretty well, he may be wiped dry and furnished with dry linen, and allowed to rest or sleep.

A large mustard draft may then be placed over the chest and region of the lungs, and kept on as long as the patient can bear it � an hour if possible ; and he should commence taking in broken doses, some suitable expectorant and diaphoretic. You can probably find nothing better than the same emetic infusion which I have recommended given in from a half to a tablespoonful, according to the strength of it. Or the same articles may be given in powder, in doses of live to eight, or ten grains, repeated every hour. Or the tinctures of Lobelia and Blood root, and wine of Ipecac, equal parts, may be given in teaspoonful doses, once an hour. Or the Expectorant Tincture, made of pulverized Lobelia seed, and Blood root, each one oz. ; Ipecac two
oz.; Cayenne one half oz. ; Whisky or dilute alcohol, one quart,� digest one or two weeks; of this, a teaspoonful every hour.

The emetics are to be repeated once in twenty-four hours ; and it may be well to repeat the steaming over bitter herbs as often, or employ the common vapor or steam bath.

At first the tongue will be coated with a white fur; but if it changes to dark brown or yellowish, a cathartic must be given, such as will act on the liver and secretions. The Anti-bilious Physic and powdered Mandrake will be suitable, or three or four pills made of extract Mandrake root, and powdered Blood root and Cayenne. This is one of the best liver and anti-bilious pills in the world, and good wherever an efficient and speedy cathartic is needed. Give three or four of these pills, and repeat in six hours, if they do not operateThe bowels should br kept in a lax state by giving one of these pills or a small quantity of the powder of Mandrake and Blood root every night or morning, so as to gently act on the liver. The Podophyllin may be used instead of the Mandrake.

Continue the expectorants all the while, night and day, if the case is a bad one.

Should the disease assume any thing of a periodical nature, be intermittent, like the ague, or intermittent fever, quinine should be given. You may combine it with the expectorant, or give it in any other way, so as to give during one day about twelve grains, after which omit it, for several days, or entirely, if not indicated any more.

It may be well occasionally to apply a fomentation of herbs, on the chest and lungs, as warm as can be borne, such as Hoarhound Catnip, Tansy, and the like ; and also repeat the mustard draft ones a day. But rely mainly upon emetics, nauseating expectorants, and sweating. The Skunk Cabbage (root) is also a good expectorant in this disease, and may be combined with the other articles, in either powder, tincture, or infusion.

I've come to the conclusion that Dr. Gunn's medical philosophy is, "If the patient can survive the treatment, he'll survive pretty much anything."

# ? Jun 14, 2019 05:00

paragon1: Nov 22, 2010; FULL COMMUNISM NOW

Walk it off

# ? Jun 14, 2019 05:20

Truthkeeper: Nov 29, 2010; Friends don't let friends borrow on credit.

I second the call to apply alcohol!

# ? Jun 14, 2019 06:18

Black Robe: Sep 12, 2017; Generic Magic User

Epicurius posted:

Kind of late, but lets see what Dr. Gunn recommends to treat pneumonia. (It includes more foot soaking, and also a bunch of vomiting)

I've come to the conclusion that Dr. Gunn's medical philosophy is, "If the patient can survive the treatment, he'll survive pretty much anything."

The sad part is some of that stuff would actually be helpful if it wasn't countered by all the other stuff.

# ? Jun 14, 2019 08:34

SixFigureSandwich: Oct 30, 2004; Exciting Lemon

Booze it up

# ? Jun 14, 2019 09:17

lofi: Apr 2, 2018

Epicurius posted:

I've come to the conclusion that Dr. Gunn's medical philosophy is, "If the patient can survive the treatment, he'll survive pretty much anything."

I don't get how you get from 'lungs are hosed up' to 'make them vom constantly'. Like, he knows lungs and stomach are seperate things, right?

# ? Jun 14, 2019 10:47

Epicurius: Apr 10, 2010; College Slice

lofi posted:

I don't get how you get from 'lungs are hosed up' to 'make them vom constantly'. Like, he knows lungs and stomach are seperate things, right?

He knows that pneumonia is inflammation of the lungs. I think, from the other times he's talking about emetics is that he figures that the mechanism of vomiting has the secondary effect of loosening up mucus. Talking about treatment of tuberculosis, he says, "The mucus membrane, lining the bronchial surfaces, is the primary seat of tuberculous deposits, and this is the reason why emetics are of great benefit in removing them." He also recommends it for asthma, croup, and whooping cough, so it's clear that he thinks emetics have a positive value in treating diseases of the lung.

# ? Jun 14, 2019 11:45

Aeromancia: Jul 23, 2013

Epicurius posted:

Kind of late, but lets see what Dr. Gunn recommends to treat pneumonia. (It includes more foot soaking, and also a bunch of vomiting)

I've come to the conclusion that Dr. Gunn's medical philosophy is, "If the patient can survive the treatment, he'll survive pretty much anything."

To be fair, this philosophy still present in modern medicine today. Some of the last-line antibiotics and chemo drugs specifically have increased mortality as a side effect. When using these drugs, the goal is to kill whatever is plaguing your patient before the drug kills the patient.

Similarly there a couple of common antidepressants and anxiolytics that we have no known mechanism of action for, we just gave them to people and it seemed to work.

# ? Jun 14, 2019 12:29

PetraCore: Jul 20, 2017; 👁️🔥👁️👁️👁️BE NOT👄AFRAID👁️👁️👁️🔥👁️

Epicurius posted:

He knows that pneumonia is inflammation of the lungs. I think, from the other times he's talking about emetics is that he figures that the mechanism of vomiting has the secondary effect of loosening up mucus. Talking about treatment of tuberculosis, he says, "The mucus membrane, lining the bronchial surfaces, is the primary seat of tuberculous deposits, and this is the reason why emetics are of great benefit in removing them." He also recommends it for asthma, croup, and whooping cough, so it's clear that he thinks emetics have a positive value in treating diseases of the lung.

You also have to consider that remnants of the four humors system stuck around for longer than people today realize and that a lot of treatments based on that tend to be via expulsion of some sort. Bleeding, vomiting, diarrhea, and then trying to balance the hot/cold dry/wet with 'hot' or 'cold' drinks and food (not necessarily talking about temperature).

If you had a general idea what was going on but not much idea how to treat it, it's not surprising if you fell back on the humors. Maybe vomiting was considered to drop the phlegm levels in a body? And pneumonia was very hard to treat for a long time since it's an internal problem, it's not like you could physically go and clean out the lungs or w/e.

# ? Jun 14, 2019 18:21

lofi: Apr 2, 2018

PetraCore posted:

it's not like you could physically go and clean out the lungs or w/e.

[citation needed] :colbert:

# ? Jun 14, 2019 22:13

Slaan: Mar 16, 2009; ASHERAH DEMANDS I FEAST, I VOTE FOR A FEAST OF FLESH

Not trying hard enough :colbert:

# ? Jun 14, 2019 22:55

chitoryu12: Apr 24, 2014

Having applied sufficient liquor to Dash's ~~mouth~~ ankle, we continue on.

Remember this one?

# ? Jun 15, 2019 04:19

tomanton: May 22, 2006; beam me up, tomato

Wasn't this the hard on the animals vs the hard on the wagon one? Three Crossings, this wagon is built ford (the river) tough.

# ? Jun 15, 2019 05:41

Cirina: Feb 15, 2013; Operation complete.

I'm not sure anyone in this wagon would survive a trip through the desert so Three Crossings

# ? Jun 15, 2019 06:00

UED Special Ops: Oct 21, 2008; Grimey Drawer

Yeah, if deserts were a bad idea on the well stocked wagon, they would be even worse on this one. Three Crossings.

# ? Jun 15, 2019 06:17

Regalingualius: Jan 7, 2012; We gazed into the eyes of madness... And all we found was horny.

Eopia posted:

I'm not sure anyone in this wagon would survive a trip through the desert so Three Crossings

That sounds like reason enough to go for the Deep Sand.

It really feels weird that we somehow still haven�t had anyone die by now.

# ? Jun 15, 2019 07:34

Commander Keene: Dec 21, 2016; Faster than the others

We did Three Crossings last time. Time for the Deep Sand, whether or not we're prepared.

# ? Jun 15, 2019 07:36

Aces High: Mar 26, 2010; Nah! A little chocolate will do

plenty of time to mess around in the sand later, for now let's see how well our fording will do, take the Three Crossings.

# ? Jun 15, 2019 08:28

chitoryu12: Apr 24, 2014

With river depths as low as 1.5 feet, making the three crossings is trivial.

Hm. How did this path split again?

# ? Jun 16, 2019 22:10

Vavrek: Mar 2, 2013; I like your style hombre, but this is no laughing matter. Assault on a police officer. Theft of police property. Illegal possession of a firearm. FIVE counts of attempted murder. That comes to... 29 dollars and 40 cents. Cash, cheque, or credit card?

You know, every time we get somewhere and I'm not sure what to do, I look at that "Rest here" option and wonder why we can't stop moving westward and just found a city where we're standing.

# ? Jun 16, 2019 22:36