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LonsomeSon posted:The Long Gender March Tienanperson Square.
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keep gender, lose sex. sex can be retaken. keep sex lose gender. women & men are both lost.
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Jun 17, 2019 01:04
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Sir Tonk posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlmXUn-ifaE&hd=1 What a lot of businesses do is employ more people, but instead of having something like two dozen full time employees with benefits and making well above the minimum wage, they opt for four dozen part time employees with lower pay and no benefits. It's basically like a bar watering down the liquor to sell more drinks at a higher markup, but someone is getting screwed. And the part-time market is a hellhole because they'll get you to come in for just barely under the limit, especially in chain/retail.
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Jun 17, 2019 01:13
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pathetic little tramp posted:small business owners like that who own a couple franchises never consider themselves wealthy until they have the yacht and the mansion and all the poo poo they view as the trappings of richness because they never grew past age 8 if its anything like what i read in fast food nation, which was quite a while ago, you barely break even on the first franchise. its not until you hit 2+ that youre making money. granted its a different business but still with five franchises im sure she can absolutely afford some cheapo insurance for her employees
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Jun 17, 2019 01:14
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Reminder that the only way to get back at these shitheads is through the wallet (and occasionally the pocketbook): https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1140303041909968897
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Jun 17, 2019 01:21
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SunAndSpring posted:Dorky men just really hate the idea of people moving away from or rejecting masculinity entirely since they've wasted their entire lives on stupid poo poo to make themselves measure up to the totemic ideal of manhood and they hate the idea that other people could just opt out of it all. There are two explanations for this that I can think of. One is that dorky men aren't very close to traditional masculinity just naturally, and it's easier to idolize something when you're further away from it. Like how Brian Wilson wrote all those incredible songs about stuff he could never do because of his inner ear problem, or how modern people look at medieval times in fantasy novels, etc. The other is that dorky men are usually on the autism spectrum and autism is theorized to be more neurologically masculine. So that might naturally make them value masculine stuff more and harder for them to understand people who aren't masculine on a mental level.
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Jun 17, 2019 01:33
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:keep gender, lose sex. sex can be retaken. keep sex lose gender. women & men are both lost. first you get the sex, then you get the gender, then... then you get the safe space
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Jun 17, 2019 01:34
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Sir Tonk posted:that makes zero sense That comic's written by an actual TERF and he has to be really obscurantist about it to keep people from just tuning out instantly
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Jun 17, 2019 01:44
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The Ultimate Doge posted:The other is that dorky men are usually on the autism spectrum and autism is theorized to be more neurologically masculine. So that might naturally make them value masculine stuff more and harder for them to understand people who aren't masculine on a mental level. Autistic here and you're gonna have to explain the gently caress out of this one.
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Jun 17, 2019 02:04
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I drink flavorless instant coffee, dirt and blood crusted on my face as I sit in the technotrench while pink and blue lasers fire above me. I am but a cog in a machine. I am engrossed in the.......GENDER WARS
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Jun 17, 2019 02:08
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Yeah, I’m not sure there’s neurological masculinity. Masculinity is a set of behaviors associated with men for historically contingent and arbitrary reasons. 250 years ago, masculinity was being a fancy dandy and contemplating dead flowers while weeping and collapsing on a fainting couch because you thought about how much it must hurt to be an elderly farmer. For ancient greeks, a lack of interest in sex, plus a tiny dick and small balls, was the height of masculinity. Even with a much more homogeneous world culture in the present, masculinity varies considerably between cultures. Chuds are dumb in part because their historical understanding doesn’t extend beyond 60-70 years into the past. Even their obsession with “the west” and marble statues is the obsolete, falsified orthodoxy of the postwar period.
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Jun 17, 2019 02:14
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:It's still war. war never changes
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Jun 17, 2019 02:17
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The Ultimate Doge posted:The other is that dorky men are usually on the autism spectrum and autism is theorized to be more neurologically masculine. So that might naturally make them value masculine stuff more and harder for them to understand people who aren't masculine on a mental level. Speaking as an autistic trans woman: 1) "extreme male brain" is dumb horseshit that only serves to obscure the lived experiences of autistic women, both cis and trans 2) being autistic doesn't necessarily make you a shithead who can't value the needs or experiences of people who are unlike you
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Jun 17, 2019 02:18
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Egbert Souse posted:And the part-time market is a hellhole because they'll get you to come in for just barely under the limit, especially in chain/retail. yeah and this is why the democrats' obsession with means testing and hour limits and whatnot will never work, companies would rather stay right under the threshold than comply. the people at the top dont have to deal with the insanity of constant turnover, nor do they get how the higher quality employees will leave.
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Jun 17, 2019 02:20
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I think the ultimate doge meant that autism is more prevalent in males? maybe?
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Jun 17, 2019 02:20
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Yeah, I’m not sure there’s neurological masculinity. Masculinity is a set of behaviors associated with men for historically contingent and arbitrary reasons. 250 years ago, masculinity was being a fancy dandy and contemplating dead flowers while weeping and collapsing on a fainting couch because you thought about how much it must hurt to be an elderly farmer. For ancient greeks, a lack of interest in sex, plus a tiny dick and small balls, was the height of masculinity. Not sure I agree with this you're describing cultural definitions of masculinity, I'd love to be wrong but I think you just have to look history of the world and see all the war and rape and I'd point to that as a definitively masculine trait.
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Jun 17, 2019 02:28
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Terminal autist posted:Not sure I agree with this you're describing cultural definitions of masculinity, I'd love to be wrong but I think you just have to look history of the world and see all the war and rape and I'd point to that as a definitively masculine trait. for a very long time horniness itself was considered culturally feminine.
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Jun 17, 2019 02:37
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Terminal autist posted:Not sure I agree with this you're describing cultural definitions of masculinity, I'd love to be wrong but I think you just have to look history of the world and see all the war and rape and I'd point to that as a definitively masculine trait. These things are sometimes aspirational and sometimes seen as unmanly depending on time and place, though you’re right that soldiers have always been expected to kill civilians for fun, pillage, and rape indiscriminately.
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Jun 17, 2019 02:45
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ratbert90 posted:He could have also said “That’s why we need UHC” and been done with it. That's what I thought he was going to say before I clicked on the video. Just don't defend lovely half measures like the ACA.
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Jun 17, 2019 02:52
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well *I* think the ultimate doge meant that the stereotypical hyperfocus targets for autistic people (math, computers, games, patterns) are also stereotypically male-coded things, and that's why society tends to underdiagnose girls with autism. which is great because it's an argument that works equally well both forwards and backwards, like a circle, with nothing more than vague sociological gesturing to connect the two
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Jun 17, 2019 02:56
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The Ol Spicy Keychain posted:That's what I thought he was going to say before I clicked on the video. Just don't defend lovely half measures like the ACA. the video is from the 16 election, the ACA was the only game in town
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Jun 17, 2019 03:32
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Egbert Souse posted:Reminder that the only way to get back at these shitheads is through the wallet (and occasionally the pocketbook): I doubt Andrew whatever has four million bucks, but it'd be funny if the domain was seized.
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Jun 17, 2019 03:35
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Norton the First posted:I doubt Andrew whatever has four million bucks, but it'd be funny if the domain was seized. Maybe he'll seize ownership of the domain and make it into a weather site like that woman who took over their sub reddit
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Jun 17, 2019 03:43
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his name is Andrew Stormer. no I will not be reading replies
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Jun 17, 2019 03:45
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Crain posted:Another avenue that Bernie could have gone, that's also not going be popular with this woman (or any wannabe-nouveau-capitalist), is that she can hire more people, provide health insurance, open more salons, without paying less to the workers, or raising prices...by cutting her own take. Another approach is to say by not providing and paying her workers healthcare, she is externalizing her costs to the public. Just when the uninsured people go to the hospital, that cost is passed to the ones with insurance by the hospital charging more to the provider. Just Walmart use cheap labor to externalize welfare etc to the state. Then go into the spiel of we need single payer, then push aside the stupid "how do we pay for it rhetoric."
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Jun 17, 2019 03:56
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Palemdromes posted:I think the ultimate doge meant that autism is more prevalent in males? maybe? That's what I assumed, but now there is plenty of recent research showing that autism is being frequently under diagnosed in women. The jury is still out right now if one gender suffers more from the condition.
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Jun 17, 2019 03:58
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mind the walrus posted:Autistic here and you're gonna have to explain the gently caress out of this one. Antifa Turkeesian posted:Yeah, I’m not sure there’s neurological masculinity. Masculinity is a set of behaviors associated with men for historically contingent and arbitrary reasons. 250 years ago[...] "Neurological masculinity" just refers to neurological traits that are observed more often in women. Which it turns out, there are. In general, in the cerebrum, men have more neurons, fewer global connections, and more local connections. (1) All of those features are exaggerated in autistic people, who (male or female) have more neurons, fewer global connections, and more local connections than neurotypical men.(2)(3) The psychological consequence of this difference is empathizing-systemizing theory (wiki). Men are generally better at systemising, i.e. making abstract models with discrete parts usually of physical phenomena, and women are better at empathizing, i.e. recognizing emotional states. I should point out that empathizing in this context doesn't mean being sympathetic to people or caring about them, just understanding them. Sociopaths empathize as well as a regular person with the definition used here. Regardless, just like the neural differences, autistic people seem to be exaggeratedly masculine.(4) So that's where the "extreme male brain" theory of autism comes from. Palemdromes posted:I think the ultimate doge meant that autism is more prevalent in males? maybe? This is also true
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Jun 17, 2019 04:23
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man this poo poo sucks, gently caress off
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Jun 17, 2019 04:28
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That seems like a useful concept that could generate useful knowledge in the future, but has anyone found any clear correlations between this statistically masculine brain architecture and behavior in 21st-century Americans? This stuff always shades into phrenology and jordan peterson if people (not you) aren’t careful about how they understand what they’re observing.
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Jun 17, 2019 04:34
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Do you think Kane from Kane & Abel was alt right?
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Jun 17, 2019 04:41
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sinfest has always sucked
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:That seems like a useful concept that could generate useful knowledge in the future, but has anyone found any clear correlations between this statistically masculine brain architecture and behavior in 21st-century Americans? This stuff always shades into phrenology and jordan peterson if people (not you) aren’t careful about how they understand what they’re observing. Well the things it describes are tendencies and not mutually exclusive categories, so it doesn't say there's no such thing as empathizing men or systemising women. It does predict correlations between being female and choosing a profession that involves empathizing, and between being male or autistic and choosing a profession that involves systemising. Both of which have been observed obviously. The political extrapolation would be that you should remove barriers to women or men getting into careers that aren't typical for their sex, because it's just as possible for them to be talented at them, but also that we'll probably never reach 50/50 distribution of men and women in every job, particularly the ones that lean heavily toward one cognitive style or the other
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Jun 17, 2019 04:54
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Jun 17, 2019 05:30
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it’s so convenient how we have this 1-dimensional geometry with one end labeled woman and the other labeled man. almost like some generous Creator wanted it to take a little bit of work to figure out sex and gender, but not too much
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Jun 17, 2019 05:31
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Kevin Mitnick P.E. posted:it’s so convenient how we have this 1-dimensional geometry with one end labeled woman and the other labeled man. almost like some generous Creator wanted it to take a little bit of work to figure out sex and gender, but not too much https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=no0qB8CVspY
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The Ultimate Doge posted:Well the things it describes are tendencies and not mutually exclusive categories, so it doesn't say there's no such thing as empathizing men or systemising women. It does predict correlations between being female and choosing a profession that involves empathizing, and between being male or autistic and choosing a profession that involves systemising. Both of which have been observed obviously. The political extrapolation would be that you should remove barriers to women or men getting into careers that aren't typical for their sex, because it's just as possible for them to be talented at them, but also that we'll probably never reach 50/50 distribution of men and women in every job, particularly the ones that lean heavily toward one cognitive style or the other Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:the thing standing between you and happiness is definitely your skull
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Jun 17, 2019 05:43
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Uncle Wemus posted:sinfest has always sucked It's incredible that Sinfest is still using the same framing for gags that it ripped off from Peanuts and Calvin & Hobbes, 15 years ago. This is a better case for abortion than anything the "pro-choice" lobby has done for decades.
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The Ultimate Doge posted:"Neurological masculinity" just refers to neurological traits that are observed more often in women. Which it turns out, there are. In general, in the cerebrum, men have more neurons, fewer global connections, and more local connections. (1) All of those features are exaggerated in autistic people, who (male or female) have more neurons, fewer global connections, and more local connections than neurotypical men.(2)(3) Your sources are spurious at best. One is a loving Psychology Today article with no link to an actual study beyond an abstract, and I doubt you have a subscription lying around. The second is an undated Brazillian study which used neural networks to simulate models of neurological activity based on a presumed autistic model... I don't think I need to say why a layman would be skeptical about that, especially when using that as a primary source. The third is another abstract which itself acknowledges that it is a preliminary study for further research, although the conclusions listed in the abstract do support your claims (roughly). You have a wiki article shoved in there, half of which is criticizing the very psychology you purport to be true. Your fourth study is again, a Pop Science blog that links to the actual study, which seems to be where you got most of your information. But even then the Pop article is quick to dispel the very assertions you originally made. Let's refresh: quote:There are two explanations for this that I can think of. One is that dorky men aren't very close to traditional masculinity just naturally, and it's easier to idolize something when you're further away from it. Like how Brian Wilson wrote all those incredible songs about stuff he could never do because of his inner ear problem, or how modern people look at medieval times in fantasy novels, etc. (bold emphasis mine) The context of your words points to cultural masculinity, not neurological masculinity. Regardless of everything else, this is why I called you out. It sounded like some  horseshit. and now the article: quote:The second misinterpretation is that autistic people are hyper-male. Again, this is not the case. While our latest study shows that autistic people, on average, have a shift towards a masculinised profile of scores on empathy and systemising tests, they are not extreme males in terms of other typical sex differences. For example, they are not extremely aggressive, but tend to be gentle individuals. Maybe that is what you mean, but that isn't what you said. quote:This is also true (in reference to fewer women being autistic than men) And rapidly changing. As uderstanding of what autism is as a syndrome-- e.g: a cluster of related symptoms in varying degrees of presentation-- has progressed it has become noted that unless women happen to conform to more stereotypically male cultural behaviors associated with autism they're far less likely to be diagnosed. As a male who presents more like the ladies in this video and wasn't diagnosed until adulthood, this is why I take umbrage with your assertions. It's a dangerous spread of misinformation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwEH9Ui4HV8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Then again at least I'm not this chick. mind the walrus has issued a correction as of 05:52 on Jun 17, 2019 |
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hey dude what're you up to? oh me? just dorkin' out about weirdbrains in the nazi thread yeah it's this thread on someth- hey where you going I thought we were gonna play disc golf today
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