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Most of the Gen V evolution levels are just fine, as designed for their appearance in BW1. Pokemon like Pawniard are caught close enough to their evolution levels to make things reasonable. Hydreigon is the most extreme example but given that you don't get it until Victory Road, you're not supposed to have evolved it before the Elite 4, it was designed for post-game. Weird level ranges like this were the sort of thing they could experiment with because of BW1's isolated pool, the problems only arise because they were thrown back in with the rest without tweaking for the lack of context.
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Hydreigon is designed to be Ghetsis' ace and basically the final boss of the game. His pre-evos are basically weak and unwieldy due to the decrease accuracy ability, you have to know what's going on with that line beforehand to actually use them against Ghetsis. Anyway, yeah, Gen V's levels are great for BW1, and frankly some lines should've reworked their evolution levels in following generations. But no, can't do that, must give Electrode 10 more points in Speed.
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Jun 18, 2019 03:12
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I'm looking forward to putting Yamper in front of my party and tossing out a free quick ball every battle
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Jun 18, 2019 03:26
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Are all of you defending Rufflet and Noibat's evolution levels by going oh but you find them later in the game so evolving them at high levels is not a problem!! completely forgetting that breeding exists and is a thing sometimes people do? Yes, having Rufflet stuck as a Rufflet for 50 levels IS an issue in B/W when you have one at level 1.
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Jun 18, 2019 03:26
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Zore posted:Gen VII reimplemented the Gen V exp scale. Gen VI was just a weird step back for some reason I stand corrected. Makes it even weirder why it got removed and then reintroduced.
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Jun 18, 2019 03:26
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It is really satisfying to blow Ghetsis' Hydreigon away with your own hydra Re: bird pokemon discussion: Is Archeops a bird
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Jun 18, 2019 03:34
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Crobat learns Brave Bird. This makes him the best bird.
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Jun 18, 2019 03:35
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LightningSquid posted:It is really satisfying to blow Ghetsis' Hydreigon away with your own hydra Archeops is the first bird. Well, second bird. Archen is the first.
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Jun 18, 2019 03:37
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CROWS EVERYWHERE posted:Are all of you defending Rufflet and Noibat's evolution levels by going oh but you find them later in the game so evolving them at high levels is not a problem!! completely forgetting that breeding exists and is a thing sometimes people do? Yes, having Rufflet stuck as a Rufflet for 50 levels IS an issue in B/W when you have one at level 1. If you're breeding, you're either going to be grinding up your new Pokemon to a level that matches your team, which will roughly match the level you caught the parent at, or you're doing nonsense in post game and when it evolves doesn't matter at all. If you're talking about trading an egg in, that's hardly the worst thing trading can do to the game's level curve.
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Jun 18, 2019 03:39
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CROWS EVERYWHERE posted:Archeops is the first bird. Well, second bird. Archen is the first. Aerodactyl was doing the "flying rear end in a top hat" thing around the same time, and didn't even need feathers. 
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Jun 18, 2019 03:45
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archeops may be best bird, but rampardos is best fossil
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Jun 18, 2019 03:48
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Best bird is Altaria. Sigilyph is the second best bird.
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Jun 18, 2019 03:48
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My favourite Pokemon is a bird so my vote is extremely biased but nonetheless, it's Blaziken. Blaziken is the best bird.
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Jun 18, 2019 03:56
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Best bird is Tyrantrum who is the second best Pokemon overall.
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Jun 18, 2019 03:59
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qnqnx posted:Although all of those were designed with the level curve of 5, only Deino and Pawniard had issues if not fully evolved with said evolution coming really late. Everything else was fine, if a bit of a challenge at times like Mienfoo, Tynamo and in particular Larvesta due to switching from Physical favoring to Special favoring on evolution. I actually played through White 2 with a bred Pawniard and Deino. Pawniard was an MVP due to her egg moves though.
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Jun 18, 2019 04:06
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zoroark learns aerial ace ergo he is a bird
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Jun 18, 2019 04:07
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My favorite birds in each generation: Gen 1: Fearow Gen 2: Skarmory Gen 3: Altaria Gen 4: Staraptor Gen 5: Braviary Gen 6: Talonflame Gen 7: Toucannon Gen 8: Corviknight
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Jun 18, 2019 04:17
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you know, while I like the fact that pokepelago can train your pokemon overnight I occasionally really miss hyper training/horde battles from gen 6 1 hour of working on a pokemon while watching youtube is preferable to several days of training overnight. It's great for batch training, but I rarely have competitive pokemon ready at the same time/have ones that need the same allocation of EVs.
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Jun 18, 2019 04:25
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My favorite birds in each generation: Gen 1: Articuno Gen 2: Lugia Gen 3: None Gen 4: Honchkrow Gen 5: Archeops Gen 6: Talonflame Gen 7: Rowlet Gen 8: Corviknight
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Jun 18, 2019 04:41
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I didn't use Poke Pelago for EV training much, because it's so much faster and more convenient to design your Festival Plaza for it, especially in the postgame when you have access to the highest level buildings. Hyper Training was tedious as gently caress, but given the choice between just the two, I think I'm also too impatient for Poke Pelago.
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Jun 18, 2019 04:42
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I only used Poké Pelago for EV spreads that weren't 252/252/4 spreads. Otherwise I used SOS battles for those. Super Training in Gen 6 was somewhat useful, especially in the early game when Horde Battles aren't easy to trigger and you don't have the Power items to equip. But I still do it because I want my Pokémon to have the Super Training ribbon (which can only be obtained in Gen 6 games).
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Jun 18, 2019 04:52
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Zuzie posted:I only used Poké Pelago for EV spreads that weren't 252/252/4 spreads. Otherwise I used SOS battles for those. Rollersnake posted:I didn't use Poke Pelago for EV training much, because it's so much faster and more convenient to design your Festival Plaza for it, especially in the postgame when you have access to the highest level buildings.
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Jun 18, 2019 05:12
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Internet Kraken posted:Sword and Shield isn't nearly as different from its predecessors as BotW was so its a ridiculous comparison anyways. They are not completely reinventing the franchise with SS. SS is Soul Silver.
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Jun 18, 2019 05:35
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AlphaKretin posted:Most of the Gen V evolution levels are just fine, as designed for their appearance in BW1. Pokemon like Pawniard are caught close enough to their evolution levels to make things reasonable. Hydreigon is the most extreme example but given that you don't get it until Victory Road, you're not supposed to have evolved it before the Elite 4, it was designed for post-game. Weird level ranges like this were the sort of thing they could experiment with because of BW1's isolated pool, the problems only arise because they were thrown back in with the rest without tweaking for the lack of context. Incidentally, this is most likely to be the "balance" that they were talking about when it comes to fitting older pokemon into the new generation. It takes design work to make changes to move lists, evolution levels, etc., and if skipping a generation for some means more capacity for integrating others into the game, that's a reasonable trade-off.
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Jun 18, 2019 05:38
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Bongo Bill posted:Incidentally, this is most likely to be the "balance" that they were talking about when it comes to fitting older pokemon into the new generation. It takes design work to make changes to move lists, evolution levels, etc., and if skipping a generation for some means more capacity for integrating others into the game, that's a reasonable trade-off. Yes, exactly! Everyone going "but GF don't care about competitive???", like the only meaning of balance is what they care about, is massively barking up the wrong tree.
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Jun 18, 2019 05:43
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It would be really cool if some monsters got a real reworking. They've done slight stat changes before, but they haven't changed other attributes.
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Jun 18, 2019 05:45
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Bongo Bill posted:Incidentally, this is most likely to be the "balance" that they were talking about when it comes to fitting older pokemon into the new generation. It takes design work to make changes to move lists, evolution levels, etc., and if skipping a generation for some means more capacity for integrating others into the game, that's a reasonable trade-off. walling off Home imports until post game wouldn't impact the balance they'd be going for in your scenario
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Quick, help me nickname a female toxapex e: too slow Blaziken386 fucked around with this message at 06:40 on Jun 18, 2019 |
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Jun 18, 2019 06:04
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Blaziken386 posted:Quick, help me nickname a female toxapex Mantrap?
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Jun 18, 2019 06:07
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I keep reading the 'balance' as being for the sake of the multiplayer Raids. Which, while a Very Strong Galarian Garcho-Lucari-Mewt-something could easily render the Wild Dynamon a non-challenge, could mean a power de-creep manifests as just saying no to whatever monster and making sure no one can Mega or Z-move their way to victory. Which is a shame, I had an alolan persian doing the Z-Parting Shot and now I'm better off not sending her to Home
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Jun 18, 2019 06:13
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Bongo Bill posted:Incidentally, this is most likely to be the "balance" that they were talking about when it comes to fitting older pokemon into the new generation. It takes design work to make changes to move lists, evolution levels, etc., and if skipping a generation for some means more capacity for integrating others into the game, that's a reasonable trade-off. Right now of all times? Sorry, but I don't believe a single word of GF suddenly caring about balance, in any meaning of it. Not evolution levels, not dex order, not movesets, nothing. Of those only movesets and in few cases since gen 6 have changed, and even then, many go unchanged across the generations, at least until the next move tutor.
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Jun 18, 2019 07:40
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qnqnx posted:Right now of all times? Sorry, but I don't believe a single word of GF suddenly caring about balance, in any meaning of it. Not evolution levels, not dex order, not movesets, nothing. Of those only movesets and in few cases since gen 6 have changed, and even then, many go unchanged across the generations, at least until the next move tutor. cool that's not the kind of balance they mean
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Jun 18, 2019 07:42
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Blaziken386 posted:Quick, help me nickname a female toxapex Euryale?
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Elfgames posted:cool that's not the kind of balance they mean They don't mean any balance. It is just an empty word they threw out.
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Jun 18, 2019 08:20
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Zuzie posted:It would be really cool if some monsters got a real reworking. They've done slight stat changes before, but they haven't changed other attributes. They've retyped mons in the past as well (e.g. Magneton and Whimsicott), and changed abilities.
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Jun 18, 2019 08:53
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less laughter posted:They've retyped mons in the past as well (e.g. Magneton and Whimsicott), and changed abilities. They’ve only retconned types after they came into existence though. Well I guess the Rotom forms, but that feels like a special exception
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Abundant Atrophy posted:I keep reading the 'balance' as being for the sake of the multiplayer Raids. Which, while a Very Strong Galarian Garcho-Lucari-Mewt-something could easily render the Wild Dynamon a non-challenge, could mean a power de-creep manifests as just saying no to whatever monster and making sure no one can Mega or Z-move their way to victory. I wouldn't be surprised if legendaries are banned during raids.
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Jun 18, 2019 09:59
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Sign my petition to give normal Mawile Huge Power
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Jun 18, 2019 11:13
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mawile has the huge power of making me want to turn off the screen when i see it
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LightningSquid posted:Sign my petition to give normal Mawile Huge Power  For real though, mawile is my favoriate pokemon and the removal of megas (with the very real possibility that it won't even be in the game at all) makes me really down on the game
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