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The '90s was really on the only time I feel that Marvel was completely outclassed by DC in every way. Marvel had a very rough '90s while a lot of my favorite DC stuff is from the '90s.
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Jun 17, 2019 19:39
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bessantj posted:This will probably be based on taste but which of the big two put out the better stuff in the 90s? Yeah, I'd give it to DC.
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Jun 17, 2019 19:56
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Marvel had some good stuff in the early '90s and less good stuff in the late '90s but in the middle there was a wasteland.
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Jun 17, 2019 20:07
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Heroes Reborn. Sue Storm's 4 boob window. VENGEANCE. Marvel was DIRE in much if the 90s.
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Jun 17, 2019 20:57
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X-O posted:Marvel had some good stuff in the early '90s and less good stuff in the late '90s but in the middle there was a wasteland. Venom's antihero run lasted from 1993 to 1998 and... oh.
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Jun 17, 2019 21:03
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Rhyno posted:Heroes Reborn. Sue Storm's 4 boob window. VENGEANCE. But Age of Apocalypse and Thunderbolts. DC probably still wins in the balance, but it's a lie to think Marvel was completely barren. Of course I'm the kind of idiot who thinks Clone Saga had chunks of good comics. Air Skwirl fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Jun 17, 2019 |
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Jun 17, 2019 21:04
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Gavok posted:Venom's antihero run lasted from 1993 to 1998 and... oh. Yeah. I know.
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Jun 17, 2019 21:05
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Cubone posted:DC had stand-outs like Morrison's JLA, Waid's Flash, Ostrander's Spectre, Knightfall (which admittedly is not as good as I remember), Long Halloween, Kingdom Come, Young Justice (and Impulse and Superboy), Sandman, Preacher, the post-Zero Hour Legion, and James Robinson's Starman. Zero Hour and a lot of the fifth-week events were forgettable at best, but DC One Million was at the very least a fascinating experiment. I cannot say the same for the Clone Saga. Marvel had Miller's Daredevil, Marvels, Thunderbolts, and Kelly's Deadpool, but I think Marvel fell much harder for the Image-led razzledazzle sales-first storytelling approach. Onslaught/Heroes Reborn was a misfire. X-Men was huge at the time, but I can't think of much that I'd want to go back and read again other than maybe Fatal Attractions or Age of Apocalypse. I was going to say Punisher Born and Welcome Back Frank but those were both in the 00's. On the DC side, I'd also throw in the Death/Rebirth of Superman. In fact, I enjoyed Superman in general during the "triangle number" era. Even Electric Superman and Longhair Superman.
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Jun 17, 2019 21:32
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How long did Electric Superman last because it seems like a bit of a stupid idea? Though I haven't read it so I could be really wrong.
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Jun 17, 2019 22:01
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Random Stranger posted:Just start with Mark Waid's run. It was designed explicitly as a way to get people onto Legion without having to worry about the decades of cruft. If you like that, then you can start poking around Legion history. 1994 Waid run or 2004 Waid run?
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Jun 17, 2019 22:09
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The best part about Electric Superman was Morrison having to use him in JLA and doing stuff which the Superman writers complained he wasn't able to do. To which Morrison responded no one bothered to tell him what his powers were.
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Jun 17, 2019 22:11
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Selachian posted:On the DC side, I'd also throw in the Death/Rebirth of Superman. In fact, I enjoyed Superman in general during the "triangle number" era. Even Electric Superman and Longhair Superman. Same with Hal Jordan's story between Emerald Twilight and Day of Judgement. The one thing I'm comfortable saying DC unequivocally hosed up in the 90's was Hawkman's continuity.
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Jun 17, 2019 22:11
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Electric Supes shows up in Starman, isn't commented on, and regular Supes shows up at the end of the series without reference to the change.
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Jun 17, 2019 22:20
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Of the big two what were the one best and worst of their 90s output?
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Jun 17, 2019 22:53
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Skwirl posted:But Age of Apocalypse and Thunderbolts. DC probably still wins in the balance, but it's a lie to think Marvel was completely barren. Basically between 1994 and 1997 (basically, when Marvel Knights started and Priest's Black Panther run began) the only Marvel books you needed to read were written by Kurt Busiek. Beerdeer posted:1994 Waid run or 2004 Waid run? 2004. It's generally called "three-boot" by nerds.
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Jun 17, 2019 23:03
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Random Stranger posted:Basically between 1994 and 1997 (basically, when Marvel Knights started and Priest's Black Panther run began) the only Marvel books you needed to read were written by Kurt Busiek. Last I checked he didn't write Age of Apocalypse.
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Jun 17, 2019 23:10
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Skwirl posted:Last I checked he didn't write Age of Apocalypse. I know what I posted. 
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Jun 17, 2019 23:11
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Cubone posted:The one thing I'm comfortable saying DC unequivocally hosed up in the 90's was Hawkman's continuity. Even then, I'd say Hawkworld (both the Tim Truman original miniseries and the Ostrander-written ongoing that followed) were pretty good comics if you could ignore the continuity problems. I still love the scene where Katar and Shayera, as cops from an authoritarian alien planet, sit down to read the Constitution and Declaration of Independence and are just boggled that any society can possibly work this way. On the Marvel side in the 90s, I'd also point to PAD's Hulk as a high point, although it did start in the late 80s.
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Jun 17, 2019 23:13
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Selachian posted:On the Marvel side in the 90s, I'd also point to PAD's Hulk as a high point, although it did start in the late 80s. Although by the mid-90s David would use Hulk to take pot-shots at Erik Larsen in their ongoing slap-fight. That's pretty late in his run, though.
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Jun 17, 2019 23:29
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Christopher Priest's Black Panther started in 1998, and if Kurt Busiek's Avengers has aged less elegantly than Morrison's JLA, it was still a huge breath of fresh air. You also had, briefly, Alan Davis doing Excalibur as a wonderful weird auteur thing. There were also a ton of fun, interesting books that haven't stuck around in the cultural memory as much as Thunderbolts and Deadpool-- Pasqual Ferry's Warlock, John Ostrander on Heroes For Hire, Slingers, Quicksilver's understated little solo run, etc. Earlier, you had Mark Gruenwald's magnum opus Quasar, D.G. Chichester's uneven but influential run on Daredevil, and some excellent early Chris Bachalo pencils, Warren Ellis on Excalibur, and fairly fun stints of other cosmic books like Silver Surfer. PAD was wrapping up his landmark Hulk tenure and of course had a brief but very influential turn on X-Factor. I didn't read DC much growing up, so I can't really compare them until, say, 1998 or so, but certainly there was no shortage of good, readable comics from either company at any point of the decade. Edit: I'm also bizarrely fond of the meandering, pointless, but very charming Seagle/Kelly era of the X-books, but I don't know if I'd call them "good." Despite the perennial Liefeld jokes, X-Force was quite readable throughout much of the decade. Nicieza has his Nicieza thing, he does it well, often with lovely Capullo pencils, and John Francis Moore's lengthy stint is a nice alternative to Gen X, with stand-out art by Jim Cheung and Adam Pollina. There's also Larry Hama's justly well remembered Wolverine. Lots to choose from! How Wonderful! fucked around with this message at 00:47 on Jun 18, 2019 |
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Jun 18, 2019 00:28
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Transmet started on DC (kind of) in the late 90s which puts them pretty firmly in the win column for me
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Jun 18, 2019 00:31
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I recently sold or donated most of my 4000-book late 80s to mid-90s comic collection and the only complete run I cared about enough to save was Alan Davis' Excalibur.
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Jun 18, 2019 01:42
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Endless Mike posted:The best part about Electric Superman was Morrison having to use him in JLA and doing stuff which the Superman writers complained he wasn't able to do. To which Morrison responded no one bothered to tell him what his powers were. Also the best: Norm MacDonald getting openly mopey about the design on SNL.
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Still reading every issue of PAD's Hulk run and got inspired to throw out a couple of questions: 1) Whatever happened to the Pantheon? They established the hell out of that organization and its key members — they felt like a legit big deal, like something that could have become an interesting part of the world — and then, after what felt like a bit of a rushed storyline, they're straight up gone. 2) The transition from those extremely good Joe Rosen letters to Comicraft was jarring. Whatever happened to all those old school letterers after things went insanely digital?
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Jun 18, 2019 15:38
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Pastry of the Year posted:1) Whatever happened to the Pantheon? They established the hell out of that organization and its key members — they felt like a legit big deal, like something that could have become an interesting part of the world — and then, after what felt like a bit of a rushed storyline, they're straight up gone. The rushed storyline to get them out of there was editorial mandate to get the Hulk back to "normal" which meant dumping the supporting organization. And since then they've only appeared a tiny handful of times; Greg Pak had Cho run into them briefly and David had them pop up for a moment in his X-Factor run. Presumably, they're just another secret organization and so heavily associated with Hulk that no one wanted to bother doing anything with them again.
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Jun 18, 2019 15:49
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Besides Deadpool, are there any comics characters who are parodies that got bigger than the original?
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Jun 18, 2019 17:11
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Golden Bee posted:Besides Deadpool, are there any comics characters who are parodies that got bigger than the original? Lobo
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Jun 18, 2019 17:17
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Lobo wasn't created as parody, he turned into one later. Also he's not bigger than Wolverine or Punisher or whoever else he's supposed to be a parody of.
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Jun 18, 2019 17:22
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He was absolutely created as a parody. Here's straight from the horse's mouth:quote:To explain, Giffen said he was trying to create a character that would parody other comic characters of the time. "It was back when, like, supposed heroes were out there shooting people and doing villainous stuff and claiming to be heroes," he said. "I thought I'd come up with a character that made fun of it. I'll concede he's not as big a character as Wolverine or Punisher, but he's big enough to be on TV and a consistent character since he was created.
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Jun 18, 2019 17:29
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Golden Bee posted:Besides Deadpool, are there any comics characters who are parodies that got bigger than the original? Arguably the Ninja Turtles?
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Random Stranger posted:The rushed storyline to get them out of there was editorial mandate to get the Hulk back to "normal" which meant dumping the supporting organization. And since then they've only appeared a tiny handful of times; Greg Pak had Cho run into them briefly and David had them pop up for a moment in his X-Factor run. Presumably, they're just another secret organization and so heavily associated with Hulk that no one wanted to bother doing anything with them again. I thought the Pantheon was pretty well taken off the board by PAD but it seems they've shown up since, albeit very briefly, and usually, so far as I can tell, in the pages of The Incredible Hulk. I guess Agamemnon returned in the Heroic Age: Prince of Power mini, regained control of the Pantheon, and made life difficult for Hercules and Amadeus Cho for a bit there? Then he showed up in PAD's X-Factor and got killed by Rahne's wolf-god-baby? Jesus, I read most of those comics and had completely forgotten that. Their old HQ was the base the heroes were using in Secret Empire, at least...
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Jun 18, 2019 17:37
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What did happen to Rahne's kid? Is he(?) now and orphan?
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Jun 18, 2019 17:43
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SiKboy posted:Arguably the Ninja Turtles? I’d say that counts. With all the Teen Titans media, I’d say Terra is almost neck and neck with Kitty Pryde.
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Jun 18, 2019 17:59
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Golden Bee posted:Besides Deadpool, are there any comics characters who are parodies that got bigger than the original? Teen Titans Go!
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Jun 18, 2019 18:31
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Open Marriage Night posted:I’d say that counts. Which major Hollywood films has Terra been in again?
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Jun 18, 2019 18:38
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Endless Mike posted:He was absolutely created as a parody. Here's straight from the horse's mouth: Even then, it was sort of a generalized parody of ultraviolent "heroes", and sort of the accidental opening of the floodgates for making Venom, Sabretooth, and every other popular bad guy an "anti-hero" in the 1990s. Though the whole question is on slippery ground since Deadpool wasn't created to be a parody of Deathstroke, he was just a straight-up ripoff. Deadpool in his initial Liefeld-driven appearances was just a straight ripoff, he didn't start doing anything particularly funny or fourth-wall-breaking or anything else until several years later. By this rationale, Lex Luthor counts as a parody of Doctor Sivana and almost certainly wins.
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Jun 18, 2019 18:57
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Edge & Christian posted:Though the whole question is on slippery ground since Deadpool wasn't created to be a parody of Deathstroke, he was just a straight-up ripoff. Deadpool in his initial Liefeld-driven appearances was just a straight ripoff, he didn't start doing anything particularly funny or fourth-wall-breaking or anything else until several years later. Yeah, I don't think Wade was ever particularly written with an eye towards being funny until Joe Kelly's run. Having re-read his initial appearances Deadpool is mostly a chatterbox.
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Jun 18, 2019 19:12
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Dawgstar posted:Yeah, I don't think Wade was ever particularly written with an eye towards being funny until Joe Kelly's run. Having re-read his initial appearances Deadpool is mostly a chatterbox. Rob thought he was funny.
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Golden Bee posted:Besides Deadpool, are there any comics characters who are parodies that got bigger than the original? TMNT is a clear winner. Watchmen? Not really a parody, but I'd wager the average person is more aware of Rorschach and Dr. Manhattan than The Question and Captain Atom.
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