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boredsatellite posted:What has happened to the poor bastards now They have a super good time in spears.
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Jun 19, 2019 00:18
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Chiwie posted:They have a super good time in spears. 
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Jun 19, 2019 09:14
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Just finished the Beast series and the end is kind of bonkers. With 98% of the series done. It skips ahead 100 years and quickly kills off most remaining likable characters followed by a huge "the end" sign falling to the floor. Vangorich goes from hero to sith emperor so quickly and without character development it reminded me of the game of thrones ending.
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Jun 19, 2019 10:49
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The Inquisition reaches truly insane levels of being petty assholes. It's great.
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Jun 19, 2019 13:28
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Katt posted:Just finished the Beast series and the end is kind of bonkers. With 98% of the series done. It skips ahead 100 years and quickly kills off most remaining likable characters followed by a huge "the end" sign falling to the floor. It's real bad isn't it. If I recall correctly, it's even a plot point that he's stopped bathing properly, so you know he's evil now. 
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Jun 19, 2019 23:01
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Finally getting back into the Horus Heresy after a looooooong break following Praetorian of Dorn and I went straight to Master of Mankind. I just finished and went into the Crimson King and it seems significantly slower. I love the character of Ahriman, but I'm only a few chapters in and it's a real slog. Is that just because I'm trying to follow ADB?
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Jun 20, 2019 02:42
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Jun 20, 2019 05:09
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Deptfordx posted:It's real bad isn't it. If I recall correctly, it's even a plot point that he's stopped bathing properly, so you know he's evil now. It surprised me because the series was mostly okay (for 40K stuff) up until that point. There was no reason for the time skip 100 years just to ruin everything. Like you can't just go "trust me is it's been 100 years which is more than enough time for this character to turn evil" Pretty sure they spent more effort detailing the trajectory of every individual bolter round in the fighting than they gave Wienand to explain what happened over the past 100 years to set up Vangorich as a bad guy that the reader was now supposed to hate.
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Jun 20, 2019 06:09
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Alternative pants posted:Finally getting back into the Horus Heresy after a looooooong break following Praetorian of Dorn and I went straight to Master of Mankind. I just finished and went into the Crimson King and it seems significantly slower. I love the character of Ahriman, but I'm only a few chapters in and it's a real slog. Is that just because I'm trying to follow ADB? I couldn't finish it and I finished Battle for the Abyss and Nemesis. The worst sort of self-indulgent Warp nonsense. I started skimming about a third of the way in and gave up by the halfway point. Katt posted:It surprised me because the series was mostly okay (for 40K stuff) up until that point. There was no reason for the time skip 100 years just to ruin everything. Like you can't just go "trust me is it's been 100 years which is more than enough time for this character to turn evil" Yeah, it's full-on "I have to go now my Planet needs me" (N.b. Poochie died on the way home) levels of arbritrary
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Jun 20, 2019 08:48
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Duzzy Funlop posted:Speaking of ADB: Any idea which one he will write? Is it Chris Wraight who is next up? Will Abnett be the one to finish the series since he started it?
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Jun 20, 2019 11:25
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Miguel Prado posted:Any idea which one he will write? Is it Chris Wraight who is next up? Will Abnett be the one to finish the series since he started it? In White Dwarf he said he teared up when they were discussing the name of the book he'd be writing as it was something he'd wanted to write his entire adult life, so I imagine it'll be the death of the emperor or Sanguinius. Book 2 is The Lost and the Damned by Guy Haley. Book 3 is The First Wall by Gav Thorpe Plavski fucked around with this message at 11:42 on Jun 20, 2019 |
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Jun 20, 2019 11:36
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Goddamn, what I would pay for a printout of that email chain.
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Jun 20, 2019 16:18
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... and then Abaddon is like "Pew-pew-pew, eat bolter loyalist scum". Reply:@HH_all. But then Sanguinius is all "Nuh-uh. You're the heretic"  and then *excitedly smashes stuffed Titan Dolls together*.
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Jun 20, 2019 17:01
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I like 40k but I'm pretty sure that everything I like is just a pure accident. I like the human stories of regular people just trying to get by in this messed up world. I think space marines are boring, violent, condescending poo poo heads. I want to believe that they are written to all be just bad but I suspect that they are unironically written to be 100% straight honorable, smart, noble etc. Even though 80% of all scenes where they interact with humans they just roll their eyes over how weak, dumb, petty and useless humans are. Despite this space marines interaction between one another is just constant dick waving and insecure frat chuds who constantly bruise one another's ego and and risk sacrificing any vital objective because no one can ever let it go and focus on the task. Personally I think all the fight scenes are unnecessarily drawn out with into infinity with each bolt and blaster shot having to be followed in slow motion (even in text!) as it hits a helmet or pauldron and then vaporizes flesh and smashes bone and burns skin etc. 90% of all humans either die feebly without note or the humans do something really heroic and then are instantly killed off so the space marines can be left alone to have all the glory. Or in the beast books you got those really skilled humans that for no apparent reason turn on the space marines because the space marines are going to blow up the orc infested planet. The book then goes into gruesome detail of how the pathetically weak humans get dispatched with ease by the enormous space marines. That this is all done 100% straight seems to be supported by the vast majority of the 40K community that seems regressive as gently caress. I watch some videos related to 40K and the guys were doing some Q&A and when asked what they would add to the universe they said "female space marines" and the video got downvoted to hell and the whole comment section was filled with people pointing out that female space marines would be unrealistic because the process only works on men.
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Jun 20, 2019 17:46
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Katt posted:90% of all humans either die feebly without note or the humans do something really heroic and then are instantly killed off so the space marines can be left alone to have all the glory. Obligatory: you've read Gaunt's Ghosts and Titanicus, right? Humans are the unquestionable greatest badasses in the setting just for not lying down and taking their beating from the rest of the universe. But to respond to the rest of your post - yeah. :\ I enjoy space marines as pure indulgent violent fantasy, but they're so hosed up and the fact that a lot of fans seem to want to take them at face value is, ergh. Does not make me want to get into the rest of the hobby, because I'm a woman and I'd like to feel safe in nerd spaces.
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Jun 20, 2019 18:09
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Katt posted:I like 40k but I'm pretty sure that everything I like is just a pure accident. I like the human stories of regular people just trying to get by in this messed up world. I think space marines are boring, violent, condescending poo poo heads. I want to believe that they are written to all be just bad but I suspect that they are unironically written to be 100% straight honorable, smart, noble etc. This post reeks of somebody who hasn't read ADB or to a lesser extent Abnett i.e. the only books worth reading.
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Jun 20, 2019 18:11
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Fellblade posted:This post reeks of somebody who hasn't read ADB or to a lesser extent Abnett i.e. the only books worth reading. It also kinda reeks of someone who's been reading the Ultramarine omnibus like I have, as while I'm enjoying it, it's full of the Ultramarines being annoyed with how slow and awful everyone not from Ultramar is. Though the Inquisitor in book 1 was the true hero of that story, cannot believe how cool he was.
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Jun 20, 2019 18:14
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StrixNebulosa posted:Obligatory: you've read Gaunt's Ghosts and Titanicus, right? No but I have read some other human centric ones that are pretty cool. In my opinion space marines serve better as background characters. I mean Space Marines are so few in number at this point that an overwhelming majority of all conflicts are resolved by the Imperial Guard. I'd like to see more content where the Imperial Guard successfully fights chaos forces, chaos space marines etc. It probably exists somewhere but I have never read a 40k novel where Imperial guard fights and defeats chaos space marines. I want scenes where guardsmen take down chaos dreadnoughts. Whenever chaos shows up the guardsmen seem to almost instant go insane or get exploded with psy powers or get eaten by demons. Leaving the loyalist space marines to win the fight. Fellblade posted:This post reeks of somebody who hasn't read ADB or to a lesser extent Abnett i.e. the only books worth reading. I have read a whole ton of stuff but certainly missed a lot too.
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Jun 20, 2019 18:20
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Katt posted:No but I have read some other human centric ones that are pretty cool. In my opinion space marines serve better as background characters. I'm not 100% sure as it's been a while, but I do know that Gaunt's Ghosts (imperial guard) fight chaos demons and win. It's absolutely fantastic Imperial Guard being badass reading, go to it!
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Jun 20, 2019 18:23
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Pretty much the whole point of the new ADB book is a chapter serf coming to the realization that the “good” Marines are horrifying murder monsters.
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Jun 20, 2019 18:26
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Katt posted:No but I have read some other human centric ones that are pretty cool. In my opinion space marines serve better as background characters.
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Jun 20, 2019 18:49
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Oh god not freaking Gav Thorpe.
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Jun 20, 2019 18:51
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Katt posted:I'd like to see more content where the Imperial Guard successfully fights chaos forces, chaos space marines etc. These all happen at various points in the Gaunt's Ghost series. For the most part, they are fighting other chaos humans or mutants with the occasional low-level demon mixed in, but at several points in the series they do fight and kill chaos space marines and yes, even a chaos dreadnought in one instant. Like seriously, the Gaunt's Ghost series is literally exactly what you are asking for and it's up to like book 16 now. All of them are excellent and you can get them in omnibus form to save money. For a slightly more comedic option you should also check out the Ciaphas Cain series. He also frequently bests the forces of Chaos, including Marines and I believe a dreadnought but usually in often hilarious and/or unintentional ways. The books are all great and he is seriously probably my favorite human 40k era character. D-Pad fucked around with this message at 20:04 on Jun 20, 2019 |
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Jun 20, 2019 20:02
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Necropolis is still one of the best 40k books out there. Just get the Founding omnibus and you'll enjoy it.
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Jun 20, 2019 20:14
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Warmaster and Anarch are two parts of the same book and together they loving own. The ending to Anarch is one of the most satisfying things I've read in 40K. It's a bit short, like all Abnett endings, but it is so good.
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Jun 20, 2019 20:39
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Angry Lobster posted:Oh god not freaking Gav Thorpe. I'd honestly be a little careful with the author-based reservations this time around. I get that we love to hate on a number of books and authors in here, but I've honestly never encountered a BL book that was a legit waste of my money. There are books that I skipped on most of the HH-re-reads I've done so far, but I still enjoyed reading them the first time around. I'm about halfway done with the first Solar war book, but I'm pretty sure I'd be as excited for any follow up book by Thorpe as I'd be for one by ADB or Abnett. Hell, I'd still be stoked for any Abnett contribution to the series despite his inability to tie poo poo up in a timely fashion
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Jun 20, 2019 22:07
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Duzzy Funlop posted:I'd honestly be a little careful with the author-based reservations this time around.
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Jun 21, 2019 00:04
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Arquinsiel posted:This post reeks of somebody who hasn't read I've never read Goto but I bet you Zou was worse.
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Jun 21, 2019 01:06
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He genuinely was not.
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Jun 21, 2019 01:32
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Of course Zou wasn't worse, he was cribbing from a better author.
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Arquinsiel posted:He genuinely was not.  That is hard to imagine but I will tale your word for it.Khizan posted:Of course Zou wasn't worse, he was cribbing from a better author. Mutilating is probably a better adjective for whatever Zou did. Who did he plagiarize?
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Jun 21, 2019 02:43
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Duzzy Funlop posted:
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Jun 21, 2019 02:58
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After reading Mechanicus, my early Horus Heresy tour continues Fulgrim. Thoughts, mid-way through:
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Jun 21, 2019 07:45
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Fulgrim is a bad book even by Black Library standards, IMO. It's sad because there's the skeleton of a good story in there but McNeill is incapable of subtlety and just lurches from plot point to plot point, which makes him an incredibly bad pick to write a book about Slaanesh seducing a Legion over to the side of Chaos.
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Jun 21, 2019 09:25
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Khizan posted:Fulgrim is a bad book Very true. quote:even by Black Library standards Jesus Christ dude, let's not say things we can't take back.
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Jun 21, 2019 09:54
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Arquinsiel posted:This post reeks of somebody who hasn't read Reading up on him on 1d4chan sure raises a whole bunch of eyebrows
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Jun 21, 2019 10:53
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Duzzy Funlop posted:Reading up on him on 1d4chan sure raises a whole bunch of eyebrows
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Jun 21, 2019 11:43
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I loved the scene in one of the books with Perturabo where the Iron Warriors are standing around on a battlefield and the Emperor's Children show up, with their garish pinks and purples and nipple piercings and whatever other crazy things they lug around. Are Noise Marines still canon? I can't remember if it described them or not. It was a funny scene comparing the two legions and how crazy the Children are.
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Demon Of The Fall posted:I loved the scene in one of the books with Perturabo where the Iron Warriors are standing around on a battlefield and the Emperor's Children show up, with their garish pinks and purples and nipple piercings and whatever other crazy things they lug around. Are Noise Marines still canon? I can't remember if it described them or not. It was a funny scene comparing the two legions and how crazy the Children are. Yeah that was great. I think they were reminiscing about warring with the emperor's children and how it would be cool to hang out again then the EC come in full Dr Rockso.
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