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Ardennes posted:Part of it is that since the pension reforms, discontent has been rapidly growing and Golunov case has been a lighting rod for previously apolitical people. I think its also the case that Russians are becoming, again, very good at engaging in "non-political politics". During the Soviet period, you couldn't directly complain about how the state was handling/mismanaging things, so you re-framed your discontent as a non-political issue (even though everything was and is a political issue) or some specific local problem. This doesn't always work, of course, since it fails to address systemic issues... but the recent Yekaterinburg protest shows that very local, very outwardly apolitical protest may work.
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# ? Jun 11, 2019 16:39 |
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Pembroke Fuse posted:I think its also the case that Russians are becoming, again, very good at engaging in "non-political politics". During the Soviet period, you couldn't directly complain about how the state was handling/mismanaging things, so you re-framed your discontent as a non-political issue (even though everything was and is a political issue) or some specific local problem. This doesn't always work, of course, since it fails to address systemic issues... but the recent Yekaterinburg protest shows that very local, very outwardly apolitical protest may work. At the same time, the general feeling I have been getting from people is a more to “national-bolshevikism” than it is western liberalism. Stalin has only continued to become has continued to become more popular for a reason. So it is both non-political but political but the frame of those politics is a bit blurred from a western perspective.
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# ? Jun 11, 2019 16:58 |
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Ardennes posted:At the same time, the general feeling I have been getting from people is a more to “national-bolshevikism” than it is western liberalism. Stalin has only continued to become has continued to become more popular for a reason. Yes, there is absolutely an undercurrent of "nationalist socialism" in those protests (i.e. how come the state isn't discharging its responsibility and taking care of Russia?) The "non-political politics" is just an external form or vehicle to get those concerns across.
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# ? Jun 11, 2019 17:28 |
Glad to see that framing job getting rightfully clowned on. The police couldn't manage to have as little as a coherent internal stance on the matter.
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# ? Jun 11, 2019 18:07 |
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So what happens if the Communist Party were to get a majority in the Duma, presumably post-Putin? Would the Soviet Union exist again and try to revamp the cold war? Or am I overestimating their capabilities?
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# ? Jun 11, 2019 19:16 |
Grouchio posted:So what happens if the Communist Party were to get a majority in the Duma, presumably post-Putin? Would the Soviet Union exist again and try to revamp the cold war? Or am I overestimating their capabilities? You are overestimating them by a cosmic margin. What in reality would happen is slight increase in pensions, but just enough not to piss off the siloviki. Maybe more subsidies for Transnistria. Don't imagine though that CPRF has any kind of shot at getting anywhere important.
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# ? Jun 11, 2019 19:27 |
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Grouchio posted:So what happens if the Communist Party were to get a majority in the Duma, presumably post-Putin? Would the Soviet Union exist again and try to revamp the cold war? Or am I overestimating their capabilities? The Communist Party RF doesn't really have any serious ideas or candidates either. Like, their best hope in 2018 was ridiculously wealthy strawberry farm owner Pavel Grudinin... Maxim Suryakin, Communists of Russia posted:According to the 2015 Declaration, Grudinin's interest-only income amounted to 752 million rubles. Can you imagine how much money he has? Plus, he's the owner of the farm, which in itself is worth several billion rubles. This is a real billionaire. Very large. And I would understand if he were to give his income to the party, for the benefit of the Communist cause. There are, after all, decent people who earn a lot. But just yesterday he was a member of "United Russia". If a person earned billions, if the person was in the ruling party (United Russia), and then suddenly change one's shoes to be in the Communists that, to put it mildly, is strange. A variety of questions immediately arises. Therefore, it is clear that a large part of the potential electorate would not support such a candidate. Leftism is in kind of a disarray in Russia right now, bouncing between nationalism and a variety of other unsavoury issues.
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Grouchio posted:So what happens if the Communist Party were to get a majority in the Duma, presumably post-Putin? Would the Soviet Union exist again and try to revamp the cold war? Or am I overestimating their capabilities? Last time CPRF got the majority in Parliament we got the 1998 crisis also at the moment they are literally a walking corpse of a boomer party selling seats in regional parliaments to millionaires and not opposing any cuts to social programs on the federal level
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# ? Jun 11, 2019 23:28 |
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Last year, CPRF's candidate was about to win a rigged local election that United Russia's guy was supposed to win, so they had to moonwalk it all back so hard, people protested, lmao. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_2018_Primorsky_Krai_gubernatorial_election
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Ardennes posted:At the same time, the general feeling I have been getting from people is a more to “national-bolshevikism” than it is western liberalism. Stalin has only continued to become has continued to become more popular for a reason. Wait who made Limonov relevant again (or ever)?
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# ? Jun 12, 2019 03:39 |
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Basically, it is developing on its own without Limonov himself. If anything it is growing anger that has developed outside any formal structure. The CPRF is a shell of itself and I doubt will have a major impact one way or another. Also anger at the Church has people far more mainstream in recent years.
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# ? Jun 12, 2019 04:35 |
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Ardennes posted:Basically, it is developing on its own without Limonov himself. This. If you ever watch a popular Youtube movie-reviewer dude named BadComedian (Yevgenii), he spends a lot of time trashing films funded by MinCult (ministry of culture). He's given a few rare interviews where he talks about his politics (which are reflected in the specific ways that he criticizes much of the modern Russian film industry) and most of it is a combination of nationalism and socialist nostalgia - both for late Soviet films and at least the perceived stability of the later-era USSR.
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# ? Jun 12, 2019 04:59 |
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So I met an old friend of my grandpa's, another very old Hungarian man. He told us his general life story, about how I stayed in Hungary after the soviets came and they ruined his family and stripped them of everything because they were religious. He tried to seminary school to become a priest but the communists shut it down. Then he went to some other school for priests that hadn't been shut down but at the last moment decided the life of a priest wasn't for him because he wanted a family. Eventually he immigrated to Canada to get away from those repressive communists and what they did to his poor innocent religious family. That's his version. From other hungarian immigrants of the era though it's a very different story. They say he was a bigwig in the Hungarian communist party and had a powerful well connected family. He him self was part of the Hungarian KGB or what ever, which is why, unlike all of them who had to escape the country, he was able to come and go and visit when ever he wanted. He was always going back home to visit family without any fuss. The local hungarian community didn't trust him and generally feared him and thought he was in canada to keep an eye on the Hungarian diaspora with consequences for their families back home if he didn't like what he saw. Kinda hosed up how different those stories are.
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# ? Jun 12, 2019 16:05 |
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https://twitter.com/guardiannews/status/1138873586704367617 This scandal doesn't seem to be ending any time soon.
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:https://twitter.com/guardiannews/status/1138873586704367617 If official numbers to be believed (they shouldn't be), the protest was about 1200 people strong, so they are basically saying they've detained every third protestor.
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# ? Jun 12, 2019 20:36 |
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So here's an interesting problem:Scramble posted:An-124s 'arrested'! I wonder if this could actually be enforced. If anyone actually tried to there could be some impact, as Volga-Dnepr's An-124s regularly transport engines for Boeing, and have been contracted by the US military for heavylift on occasion.
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Baronjutter posted:So I met an old friend of my grandpa's, another very old Hungarian man. He told us his general life story, about how I stayed in Hungary after the soviets came and they ruined his family and stripped them of everything because they were religious. He tried to seminary school to become a priest but the communists shut it down. Then he went to some other school for priests that hadn't been shut down but at the last moment decided the life of a priest wasn't for him because he wanted a family. Eventually he immigrated to Canada to get away from those repressive communists and what they did to his poor innocent religious family. At least both stories agree about how bad the Soviets and Hungarian communists were.
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# ? Jun 13, 2019 04:01 |
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Next week the Joint Investigation Team will be making a new announcement on MH17:quote:Investigators to identify MH17 suspects: Dutch broadcasters Bellingcat is also going to be putting out a 100 page report about the identities of a lot more individuals involved in the shooting down and details of their roles and activities. We'll also be launching a 6 part podcast documentary series on MH17 at some point next month. We've interviewed lots of people for it, including experts on various subjects, journalists who were on the ground reporting on MH17, and family members of the victims, and it's coming together really well at the moment, so it should be good, and we've got a good production company making sure it's highly polished too.
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# ? Jun 15, 2019 10:45 |
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https://imgur.com/gallery/M4t9JbP
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# ? Jun 16, 2019 01:55 |
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Huh. https://twitter.com/KassenovaNargis/status/1139621397544632320
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# ? Jun 16, 2019 02:47 |
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Ukraine's Deputy Foreign Minister spoils the JIT press conferencequote:Ukrainian Deputy Foreign Minister Says Dutch Investigators To Name First MH17 Suspects On June 19 This would be the first time the JIT is naming specific individuals, and the first charges in the case. A special court has been set up in Schiphol (where MH17 flew from) for the prosecutions coming out of the investigation, so once those cases start more of the evidence they gathered will be reported. While it's unlikely any of the suspects will turn up themselves in, some people involved have already been arrested, including the head of logistics for the DNR's intelligence service who has been interviewed by the JIT, along with additional witnesses, so I expect we'll see a lot of information coming out at the trials.
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# ? Jun 18, 2019 13:38 |
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How high does it go? Can Russia throw a couple of colonels under the bus just to be done with it?
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# ? Jun 18, 2019 13:50 |
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I'm betting Malaysians will side with Russians, and some GRU agents will simply switch documents again.
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Paladinus posted:How high does it go? Can Russia throw a couple of colonels under the bus just to be done with it? From what we understand the separatists co-ordinated with the GRU to arrange the transport of the Buk to Ukraine. The Russian 53rd Brigade had moved its 2nd Division to the border with Ukraine by June 25th, and the separatists requested a Buk to help them counter Ukrainian air power in a battle in the region south of Snizhne, the area from which MH17 would eventually be shot down. I can envision a scenario where the GRU turned up at the 2nd Divisions camp and directly ordered a Buk across the border, so an open question is at what level were the GRU contacting the 53rd Brigade? There's also the fact Russian military equipment being sent across the border wasn't something unusual, it was something that happened with all sorts of equipment and soldiers, what made the Buk unique is it shot down MH17, not that it was sent across the border. This would suggest the sending of equipment in general would have been ordered at the highest levels. Russia has also been denying all of this, so admiting they sent the Buk would be a lot bigger than just that one incident. Even if Russia keep denying it there's currently a 3 billion Euro case in the ECHR against Russia by the families, and turning up in court and calling everything fake news and Bellingcat forgeries isn't going to impress a judge.
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Our new report is here, where we ID a lot more of the people involved with MH17: Newsy made a video about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7dC2etVPTM The JIT will also announce four of the suspects, including Dubinsky in the above diagram, will be charged, and their trials will start in March 2020.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ormPe535O0A
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# ? Jun 19, 2019 12:42 |
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E:nm
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# ? Jun 19, 2019 13:00 |
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It feels crazy that it's been such a long road to prove something that seemed so obvious from the beginning, but it's still nice to strike a blow against the alternate realities put out by Russia. Keep it up!
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# ? Jun 19, 2019 13:06 |
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Even Malaysian representatives seem convinced now. Well done!
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# ? Jun 19, 2019 13:57 |
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https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/1141307808266227712 https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/1141309078909739014
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# ? Jun 19, 2019 13:58 |
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That is just amazing. Has the Kremlin banned soldiers from using social media completely or can they still access it to some degree?
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# ? Jun 19, 2019 14:04 |
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:That is just amazing. Has the Kremlin banned soldiers from using social media completely or can they still access it to some degree? I believe the law in the Duma banning them from posting about their service, during or after, has now been passed.
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# ? Jun 19, 2019 14:15 |
Yes, it has. That was after the incident, HUGE PUBES. Also lol at "Miner" being literally with a mine detector on the photo.
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# ? Jun 19, 2019 16:40 |
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https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1141728157076267009
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# ? Jun 20, 2019 16:55 |
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We've been nominated before in rather bizarre circumstances: quote:Baltic states jointly nominate Bellingcat for Pulitzer prize I don't think we even qualify as it's for US based publications, but it was nice.
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Brown Moses posted:I don't think we even qualify as it's for US based publications, but it was nice. They think you work for CIA.
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# ? Jun 20, 2019 17:24 |
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All of those orgs give you money? drat
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:
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# ? Jun 20, 2019 18:44 |
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All those Dutch pounds I'm rolling in.
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:
The Netherlands, Facebook and Google got them pounds y'all.
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