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Orange Devil posted:New York and Washington the only American cities worth a drat, confirm/deny? deny, neither of those cities is worth a drat
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NYC owns and lol at anyone denying this DC was built on a swamp
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Jun 19, 2019 18:48
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luxury handset posted:deny, neither of those cities is worth a drat Fair enough. Grape posted:DC was built on a swamp This seems like a good thing? Also I am Dutch.
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Jun 19, 2019 18:48
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Grape posted:NYC owns and lol at anyone denying this nyc is great if you're rich not so much if you're normal we have to break out of the mid 20th century paradigm of coastal cities being beacons of bohemian culture and update to the 21st century paradigms of them being segregated playgrounds for the wealthy
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Jun 19, 2019 18:52
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Orange Devil posted:Fair enough. The Netherlands does not have a humid-subtropical climate. quote:nyc is great if you're rich NYC is not wall to wall poverty outside of a few rich enclaves my dude. Nor is it = Manhattan.
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Jun 19, 2019 18:58
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fishmech posted:
I'm the "city" of Sandy Springs instead of Atlanta
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Live nearish to San Jose, can confirm that it feels like a giant suburb(which makes it blend perfectly with every small to medium-sized city next to it)
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Grape posted:NYC owns and lol at anyone denying this Leningrad was built on a swamp so I don't know what point you're trying to make here.
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Here's the source (it's the Failing New York Times) https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/06/18/upshot/cities-across-america-question-single-family-zoning.html Also on the main source they also include Chicago and Arlington Texas (instead of Dallas)
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Jun 19, 2019 19:06
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They should have made the cities to the same scale.
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Jun 19, 2019 19:08
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Peanut President posted:I'm the "city" of Sandy Springs instead of Atlanta probably more cohesive city limits, atlanta's city line is all messed up because of a massive annexation in one direction but hard borders on the other Jerry Cotton posted:Leningrad was built on a swamp so I don't know what point you're trying to make here. pointless jocking when really, all american cities are bad, by design (or lack of)
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Jun 19, 2019 19:29
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We should outlaw single-family homes and just build gigantic arcologies
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Jun 19, 2019 19:34
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Jun 19, 2019 19:36
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Lol at using Arlington as a representation of how american cities are. If you ever see someone mention "DFW", Arlington is one of the bits between D and FW. They have... Six Flags? And the Cowboys' stadium.
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Jun 19, 2019 19:36
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fishmech posted:
Houstonian here, what's this "zoning" you speak of 
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Jun 19, 2019 19:39
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dublish posted:They should have made the cities to the same scale. They should've picked different colors. I'm only mildly colorblind and those two are exactly the drat same.
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Jun 19, 2019 19:39
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Lol at using Arlington as a representation of how american cities are. If you ever see someone mention "DFW", Arlington is one of the bits between D and FW. They have... Six Flags? And the Cowboys' stadium. from the article it looks like they specifically singled out sandy springs and arlington as examples of younger, suburban edge cities and to be fair, those cities are far better examples of the typical american urban form than new york, chicago, or seattle
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Jun 19, 2019 19:42
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I think the actual intent with San Jose, Arlington, & Sandy Springs is "wow those people who don't live in the northeast sure are loving retards unlike us in New York" and Atlanta, Dallas, and San Francisco weren't bad enough.
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Jun 19, 2019 19:48
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atlanta is that bad, but if you want an unwalkable city with hosed up borders and a shitload of single family homes they already included los angeles
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That's what I mean, like LA is bad enough they just post it instead of Anaheim or whatever. Atlanta was too close to maybe being good so let's spin the wheel and find an even worse suburb.
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Jun 19, 2019 19:52
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I don't know the actual numbers but SF feels quite a bit denser than SJ
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Jun 19, 2019 19:53
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big disagree here, all american cities are bad and atlanta is squarely in 'very bad'Elyv posted:I don't know the actual numbers but SF feels quite a bit denser than SJ it is but for comparative purposes san francisco is tiny and has an outsized office district that will throw the map out of whack. san francisco is also something dumb like 3/4 water due to mapping quirks and outlying islands Mr. Fall Down Terror fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Jun 19, 2019 |
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Jun 19, 2019 19:54
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luxury handset posted:nyc is great if you're rich boy you sure are mad about your suburb huh
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Jun 19, 2019 19:56
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No Safe Word posted:Houstonian here, what's this "zoning" you speak of Houston might not do formal density or single use zoning, but much of the city is covered by private restrictive covenants in which property owners are forced to agree to effective zoning, and the city will enforce them. At least it does mean there are some places where densification can occur, unlike other cities Edit: the state of California estimates San Francisco would be something silly like twice as populous as it is today if it had actually built enough housing to meet demand since the eighties, like imagine the city with 1.7m residents instead of 800k Squalid fucked around with this message at 20:00 on Jun 19, 2019 |
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Jun 19, 2019 19:57
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Peanut President posted:I think the actual intent with San Jose, Arlington, & Sandy Springs is "wow those people who don't live in the northeast sure are loving retards unlike us in New York" and Atlanta, Dallas, and San Francisco weren't bad enough. San Jose is like 40 miles from San Francisco so I don't know what you think you're saying with that one.
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Jun 19, 2019 20:04
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san jose also isn't comparable to a bedroom community, san jose is an actual hub of a polycentric metropolis with its own independent economic justification. probably more indicative of the bay area as a whole than the city of san francisco proper
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Jun 19, 2019 20:07
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Grape posted:San Jose is like 40 miles from San Francisco so I don't know what you think you're saying with that one. Same metro is all.
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Jun 19, 2019 20:10
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Peanut President posted:Same metro is all. handset is right I think, arbitrary South Bay city(Redwood City, Mountain View, Cupertino, Sunnyvale, Santa Clara, whatever) feel a lot more like SJ than they do SF
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Jun 19, 2019 20:13
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Peanut President posted:Same metro is all. Depending on some definitions they aren't even that.
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Jun 19, 2019 20:31
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luxury handset posted:outlaw families Can't hurt to try. Would end nepotism pretty swiftly though I imagine it would be replaced by some other form of corruption.
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Jun 19, 2019 20:46
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The biggest failure of those maps is scale. Put LA to scale if you really want to illustrate the problem.
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scale doesn't really matter here except on the smaller end because what is being measured is proportion of land area devoted to exclusive low density residential uses. the proportion of land inside of a single city's jurisdiction is not a great metric but it works well enough to write an article about
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Jun 19, 2019 21:14
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Goddam I’m glad my family lives in Texas instead of California Also spoiler alert: everyone between Boston and Washington, if you aren’t from there, definitely wants you to feel like a douche for having been born in The Wrong US Including poo poo like “ugh if you really didn’t like [birthplace] you’d just move” since that’s an easy thing that everyone can do, not that anyone born in Brooklyn would ever have to experience it
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Jun 19, 2019 21:23
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Pook Good Mook posted:The biggest failure of those maps is scale. Er, what do you think it would prove, to make it impossible to make out any detail on DC? It also seems like a lot of you are missing that it's not trying to say something like "in these cities the blue areas are entirely high density housing" - the point being made is the pink areas that absolutely bar high density housing. From personal experience I can tell you that sizable chunks of the land zoned to allow more than just single family homes in DC and NYC is still single family homes built decades and decades ago. But they're also areas that developers can and do buy out the single family lots and put up low and mid rise condos and apartment on the same land, since the current zoning allows for it. Edgar Allen Ho posted:Goddam I’m glad my family lives in Texas Wow, you hate them that much?
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Jun 19, 2019 21:28
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fishmech posted:Er, what do you think it would prove, to make it impossible to make out any detail on DC? Scale of the problem. If the point is to show that American cities need to re-zone to address many problems, it will have a much larger proportional impact on 10 blocks in DC than 10 blocks in the San Fernando Valley.
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fishmech posted:Er, what do you think it would prove, to make it impossible to make out any detail on DC? More I like driving home without facing a packed freeway
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Goddam I’m glad my family lives in Texas instead of California Please tell us more about ignorant people cluelessly stereotyping other places, man who thinks Brooklyn is rich.
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Jun 19, 2019 21:38
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:More I like driving home without facing a packed freeway yeah packed freeways are signs of economic vitality, not housing density - low housing density is more likely to cause congestion
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Jun 19, 2019 21:47
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*drives route through DC, Baltimore, Philly, Newark, the Bronx, Bridgeport, Worcester, Lowell* Well LA DEE DA.
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Grape posted:Depending on some definitions they aren't even that. depending on some definitions i'm a good poster but that doesn't make it true pal
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