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Kylaer posted:There was a line somewhere in there about how some king tried to replace the ravens with doves, but the ravens are bigger and less tempting of a target for some random hawk, so the change didn't stick. I think this was Baelor the Blessed. It sounds like the kind of thing he would have done, at the very least.
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jit bull transpile posted:i've been broken by esperterra and am watching some pjakes vids and the ones I'm watching now he talks about how in a ton of GRRMs scifi writing he writes about collective minds that manipulate humans to achieve their own ends and point out that Bran is a parallel to this. The Weirwoods are really a collective consciousness of children of the forest, who have every reason to hate humans, and Bran could very well be controlled by them and part of a larger plan to get some revenge on mankind. so it's possible "bran becomes king" was in his notes, but in the GRRM version Bran is basically there to do as much harm as possible to humanity via his role as king. An independent North could keep all sorts of conflicts rolling along that should have been squashed which is probably what the children want. While I think that is possible - I'm more of the mind that Blackfyre/Bran controls the network. That is partially why those past history books mattered, and were published. Bran does become king, but he's basically John Malcoviched in there behind Blackfyres mind. GRRM has written about overminds before - but that doesn't mean this overmind wins. To me it makes more sense to have the overmind perverted, and also for Bran's "victory" to be hollow. chaosapiant posted:This is probably true, but I never saw the White Walkers/Others as being against the CoF. They'll gladly run over them to reach their goal, which is to murder the three-eyed raven. chaosapiant posted:Edit for words: In regards to Benjen/Coldhands, I'd like to think that even though GRRM dismissed that theory, he could probably say Coldhands isn't Benjen without lying, and it still be true. It'd be like saying "Lady Stoneheart is not Catelyn Stark" and argued that the differences in their nature are enough to argue they are different people. You are correct on both of these. Or him changing his mind. Or just petulantly writing "No" on the manuscript when his editor guessed who coldhands was.
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Jun 19, 2019 21:41
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Bran's being controlled by Bloodraven, not Blackfyre. Blackfyre was Bloodraven's bastard half-brother who tried and failed to claim the Iron Throne from their other brother. Blackfyre founded the Golden Company with Bittersteel, and died to Bloodraven and his Raven's Teeth archers. Bloodraven took the black at some point after, was Lord Commander of the Night's Watch, and we never find out what happens after that until he pops up in a tree north of the wall and talks to Bran.
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Jun 19, 2019 21:47
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ruddiger posted:Bran's being controlled by Bloodraven, not Blackfyre. Blackfyre was Bloodraven's bastard half-brother who tried and failed to claim the Iron Throne from their other brother. Blackfyre founded the Golden Company with Bittersteel, and died to Bloodraven and his Raven's Teeth archers. Bloodraven took the black at some point after, was Lord Commander of the Night's Watch, and we never find out what happens after that until he pops up in a tree north of the wall and talks to Bran. Do we know for sure that Bloodraven is the Three Eyed Crow/Raven? It makes sense (a thousand eyes and one) but is it every laid out?
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Jun 19, 2019 21:59
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chaosapiant posted:Do we know for sure that Bloodraven is the Three Eyed Crow/Raven? It makes sense (a thousand eyes and one) but is it every laid out? When Bran and Hodor and the reeds get to the cave, the tree-man says that he used to be named Brynden. He also describes his brothers and ex-lover in a way that maps perfectly onto Bloodraven's life. So it's still all circumstantial, but extremely strong.
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Jun 19, 2019 22:03
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Civilized Fishbot posted:When Bran and Hodor and the reeds get to the cave, the tree-man says that he used to be named Brynden. He also describes his brothers and ex-lover in a way that maps perfectly onto Bloodraven's life. So it's still all circumstantial, but extremely strong. I believe he also has the same port-wine stain.
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Civilized Fishbot posted:When Bran and Hodor and the reeds get to the cave, the tree-man says that he used to be named Brynden. He also describes his brothers and ex-lover in a way that maps perfectly onto Bloodraven's life. So it's still all circumstantial, but extremely strong. Is this in the book or show? I just watched the show and don't remember this, but it's also been a few years since reading the books so I can't remember that either. I'm guessing the books. If Bloodraven is the 3 eyed crow that'd be super dope! I hope The Adventures of Dunkegg Chapter Four goes into this some.
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Jun 19, 2019 22:33
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chaosapiant posted:Is this in the book or show? I just watched the show and don't remember this, but it's also been a few years since reading the books so I can't remember that either. I'm guessing the books. If Bloodraven is the 3 eyed crow that'd be super dope! I hope The Adventures of Dunkegg Chapter Four goes into this some. This is in the books. Bloodraven being the Three Eyed Crow seems obvious enough that the twist would be if that weren't the case, like when people say that Jon is actually not Rhaegar and Lyanna's kid.
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Jun 19, 2019 22:37
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Civilized Fishbot posted:This is in the books. Bloodraven being the Three Eyed Crow seems obvious enough that the twist would be if that weren't the case, like when people say that Jon is actually not Rhaegar and Lyanna's kid. Yea, I just Googled it and I'd never paid much attention to Bloodraven because he didn't mean much without the Dunkegg stories. Reading up on it, it is crystal clear that he's the three eyed crow. I am curious how he became a greenseer on the side of the children of the forest.
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Jun 19, 2019 22:41
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chaosapiant posted:Is this in the book or show? I just watched the show and don't remember this, but it's also been a few years since reading the books so I can't remember that either. I'm guessing the books. its a book exclusive thing show -only fans don't know who the heck bloodraven is, so they just omit all of those implications w/ the understanding that the 3EC is just some kinda wizard, don't worry about it etc.
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Wish I'd caught all this before the show. It has much larger implications than a simple old dude from Flash Gordon living in a tree.
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Jun 19, 2019 22:48
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chaosapiant posted:Wish I'd caught all this before the show. It has much larger implications than a simple old dude from Flash Gordon living in a tree. The show was made better by the books up until it wasn't. Just watch preston vids. They're entertaining if you enjoy the universe and introduce you to poo poo like Varys being a merman.
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Jun 19, 2019 22:51
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TK-42-1 posted:The show was made better by the books up until it wasn't. Just watch preston vids. They're entertaining if you enjoy the universe and introduce you to poo poo like Varys being a merman. I keep seeing his name mentioned but I don't know who he is. I'm guessing a Song of Ice/Fire "specialist" on Ye Old YouTube?
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Jun 19, 2019 22:53
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chaosapiant posted:I keep seeing his name mentioned but I don't know who he is. I'm guessing a Song of Ice/Fire "specialist" on Ye Old YouTube? PJakes esta aqui
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Jun 19, 2019 23:13
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bloodrvn: i put on my roots and weirwood hat
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Jun 19, 2019 23:16
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pjakes is an american hero
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I love the story of how he paid for a lunch with GRRM and asked him a bunch of pjakes style poo poo and GRRM was like 'uh. ok. next?' So he snuck onto another table to get another chance
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Jun 19, 2019 23:39
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You could do some pretty great espionage/sabotage by switching the labels on ravens.
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PupsOfWar posted:pjakes is an american hero
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ruddiger posted:Bran's being controlled by Bloodraven, not Blackfyre. Blackfyre was Bloodraven's bastard half-brother who tried and failed to claim the Iron Throne from their other brother. Blackfyre founded the Golden Company with Bittersteel, and died to Bloodraven and his Raven's Teeth archers. Bloodraven took the black at some point after, was Lord Commander of the Night's Watch, and we never find out what happens after that until he pops up in a tree north of the wall and talks to Bran. ok, thanks for clarifying. I wasn't familiar with any of those characters.
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https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1141484554861068288?s=21
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ruddiger posted:Bran's being controlled by Bloodraven, not Blackfyre. Blackfyre was Bloodraven's bastard half-brother who tried and failed to claim the Iron Throne from their other brother. Blackfyre founded the Golden Company with Bittersteel, and died to Bloodraven and his Raven's Teeth archers. Bloodraven took the black at some point after, was Lord Commander of the Night's Watch, and we never find out what happens after that until he pops up in a tree north of the wall and talks to Bran. Reading this synopsis really drives home the fact that GRRM switched to writing fanfiction of his own work instead of completing said work. Also Bloodraven is that miniboss from act 1 of Diablo 2 and I will never believe differently.
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How do we know Bloodraven is “controlling” Bran?
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chaosapiant posted:How do we know Bloodraven is “controlling” Bran? We don't it's just a theory and I don't think there has ever been any evidence whatsoever presented to support it, it's just one of those things that's neat.
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It doesn't really seem as much 'controlling' as your personality just being a tiny speck compared to the vastness of land and time the Three-eyed Raven is immersed in. Bloodraven himself seems very passive, with almost no personality showing, and he was a notoriously outspoken, passionate, active guy in his previous life.
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Did the wolves have rocket packs? Because that's the only way they would have stood a chance.
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Solice Kirsk posted:Did the wolves have rocket packs? Because that's the only way they would have stood a chance. Poor things can't even look up. They wouldn't have stood a chance.
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Solice Kirsk posted:Did the wolves have rocket packs? Because that's the only way they would have stood a chance. They always find a reason for the dragon to land on the battlefield so I assume that's when they pounce 
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chaosapiant posted:How do we know Bloodraven is “controlling” Bran? I don't think he's controlling Bran but it seems pretty clear he's been warging into Mormont's raven and probably Ghost as well. The biggest hint of this is in the first book when the wight is trying to kill Mormont, the raven yells 'Burn!' which is pretty convenient as it inspires Jon to use the fire to kill the wight
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A Typical Goon posted:I don't think he's controlling Bran but it seems pretty clear he's been warging into Mormont's raven and probably Ghost as well. Weren’t ravens also Coldhands eyes and ears as well? It could’ve been his as well. Or maybe it was just Bran himself speaking from the future just like when Hodor got his name.
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I suppose so, but the links between Bloodraven and Ghost are more explicit I think. When Jon finds Ghost he 'hears' something in the bush which makes him go back and he finds Ghost. Kind of odd as Ghost doesn't make any sound. We get this scene from Bran's perspective, and Bran doesn't hear anything. Normally I'd say this was just a random scene but hearing a indistinguishable sound in the distance is very similar to what happens when we see Bran talk to Theon and Ned through the heart tree, so it seems like someone was talking to Jon. Then there's the fact that both Bloodraven and Ghost are described very similarly, as albinos with red eyes, makes me think that there has to be some connection between them. Plus Ghost being the one to randomly find the obsidian and the horn of winter on the fist of the first men implies to me that Bloodraven is probably trying to stop the Others. The other interesting Bloodraven theory that seems to almost certainly to be true is that Euron Greyjoy is a greenseer who was visited by Bloodraven as a boy, but something about Euron made Bloodraven reluctant to take him on as an apprentice (probably because Euron is loving nuts)
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Nymeria's horde vs. a wounded dragon would have been epic as gently caress.
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Solice Kirsk posted:Did the wolves have rocket packs? Because that's the only way they would have stood a chance. dont be stupid.... theyre all gonna stand on top of each others backs
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A Typical Goon posted:I suppose so, but the links between Bloodraven and Ghost are more explicit I think. When Jon finds Ghost he 'hears' something in the bush which makes him go back and he finds Ghost. Kind of odd as Ghost doesn't make any sound. We get this scene from Bran's perspective, and Bran doesn't hear anything. I don't know about all the other stuff cuz it feels a bit reaching, but the bit about Euron would be awesome if true. All the while watching the "Euron" in the show made me wish we had the creepy book Euron, with Victarion doing all the insane reaver poo poo in full plate armor. I always thought the idea of Victarion fighting in full plate knowing he could fall in the water and drown, and not give a poo poo, was as crazy as it was badass. As for the show, Euron vs Bronn would've made a good fight. Well maybe not, if Jaime was able to hold his own as he did, Bronn would've schooled him.
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I mean Enron did just survive getting blasted by a dragon and swimming ashore. Got to think he’s a little tuckered out by that point. He just needed some orange slices and goldfish imo.
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TK-42-1 posted:...Enron... I hope that misspell wasn't intentional, because it's fantastic!
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chaosapiant posted:I hope that misspell wasn't intentional, because it's fantastic! He and Arthur "the shredder of the morning" Andaynesen made a great team
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chaosapiant posted:
In AFFC it says Ned gave the three from the black cells including Jaquen to the Night's Watch when he was Hand. So how can he also be Syrio?
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