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"I told em the oil rains were comin'", said the old man, knuckling his lower back as the flaming, semi-solid droplets clattered off the dome glass. "These old bones never lie!"
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Bladerunner: Blood Dome. We finally killed off nature and instead rely on technology to nurture us forever. Science has won the test of time, but it is during that time, when the first replicants awoke. Real life 2040, somehow still with Harrison Ford.
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Jun 21, 2019 13:41
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eventually we will close the loop between genetic engineering, robotic farming, and machine learning. at first this will do amazing things to solve our famine problem, but shortly thereafter the corn will gain sentience and revolt, condemning us all to starve.
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Jun 21, 2019 14:24
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Despite my biome I am still just a man in a dome.
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Jun 21, 2019 14:26
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StabbinHobo posted:eventually we will close the loop between genetic engineering, robotic farming, and machine learning. at first this will do amazing things to solve our famine problem, but shortly thereafter the corn will gain sentience and revolt, condemning us all to starve.  The farms are gonna look like this
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Jun 21, 2019 16:20
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Squalid posted:
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Jun 21, 2019 16:32
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Squalid posted:A lot of the really deep polders are weird because the land started off above sea level, but when it was drained and leveed the peat biodegraded and compressed, causing the ground to shrink and drop below sea level. Im not sure how long that process can last or how low it can sink. If you think about it, with levees you're already halfway to domes. Just cap the polders, solving the problem forever
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Jun 21, 2019 16:37
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From my meteorologist relative: Major weather warning for Europe except for Great Britan and west. Most of central Europe there will be a record-setting heat wave starting on Wednesday with highs possible above 100F/40C. This will last into next weekend. Be careful my European friends.
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Jun 21, 2019 16:39
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VideoGameVet posted:From my meteorologist relative: Make sure you drink plenty of water - more than you think you need and stay indoors/in air conditioned places if possible during the hottest parts of the day, also don't do anything too physical outdoors if you have to be there. Just some friendly advice - we've had healthy twenty six year olds drop dead of heat stroke and/or dehydration in those sort of conditions here.
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Jun 21, 2019 16:50
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VideoGameVet posted:Algae? Yeah, there’s a lot of research and investment into scaling up this kind of farm and increasing efficiency, although for now it remains too expensive for all but niche uses. There’s also products now that use yeasts to ferment starches into fats via biochem wizardry  An advantage of algae is that it doesn’t have to waste energy fighting gravity or building roots and leaves, so it can produce more of what people really want. A lot of these new algaculture projects also use salt water species, so they aren’t constrained by access to freshwater. There are still a lot of problems however, especially filtering and processing the algae slurry into something useable. Today it only serves specialty health markets, but the ultimate aim is to produce refined products like fats and protein powder at large scales. 
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Jun 21, 2019 16:53
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Stoner Sloth posted:Make sure you drink plenty of water - more than you think you need and stay indoors/in air conditioned places if possible during the hottest parts of the day, also don't do anything too physical outdoors if you have to be there. Just some friendly advice - we've had healthy twenty six year olds drop dead of heat stroke and/or dehydration in those sort of conditions here. Shade will be your friend if you have to be outside as well. Find it or bring it with you (large hats, umbrellas, pop-up awnings) if you have to work outside.
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Jun 21, 2019 17:09
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I lived in northern Italy during the 2015 heat wave, with a top-floor, south-facing flat. Just awful.
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Jun 21, 2019 17:57
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Shima Honnou posted:We release it and it doesn't work fast enough, or, we release it and it works so fast that we go back into the Carboniferous and become an exciting new kind of hosed. We will definitely do something like this out of desperation. If it turns out to work too fast we can always increase our carbin emmissions The next 2+ thousand years were going to turn the planet into a laboratory of bio engineering experiments. Like the technological babies that we are we are going to totally gently caress it up. Before weve learned enough to master our environment. This will be done from the safety of domes or underground facilities since outside of that protection is gonna be a poo poo storm
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Even if it works it does nothing for methane and other gas and also doesn't fix the other 15 doomsday-level issues that are happening now or shortly.
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thewalk posted:We will definitely do something like this out of desperation. imo even this is wild optimism
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Guy is preaching for underground domes possibly on Mars for dozens of pages now, he's very optimistic about our technology and also probably a rereg of Elon Musk tbh. On a general note I do find it plausible that if and that's a very big if we somehow find some bioengineered bacterium or something to do any kind of possibly positive impact on the climate, we might accidentally or halfway planned release it to the world and see unexpected results. Of course, this is nothing but Scifi right now, but I remember years ago reading about the theoretical possibility to blow masses of CO2 consuming bacteria into the atmosphere. Whether or not this then translates to them not having any kind of noticeable impact at all or them eating up the entire atmosphere turning earth upside down for good is up for your imagination, but yeah, if we ever happen to get our hands on something like that, I find it possible that someone will release it to fix things, most likely with no fixing results. However yeah, most likely just science fiction.
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I mean it's not that I think we can't do something like that in theory... it's just that... like in my town some people successfully got the city to enact the slightest slightest anti-erosion measures possible to protect the beach / bluffs and tons of people are screaming bloody murder about fake science because their beach view is slightly obstructed by a sand dune now. Basically I think people are just going to keep saying "nope this is fine" until they die. A desperate engineering problem will require a mass realization that there is in fact a crisis level problem that needs solving now but by that point most people will be deep into the cognitive biases telling them that actually nothing is wrong. Like when people keep double downing on an obviously foolish decision in some weird combo of saving face and sunk cost fallacy. Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 23:10 on Jun 21, 2019 |
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Jun 21, 2019 23:08
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The fundamental problem of turning gigatons of carbon in the atmosphere into solid or liquid carbon back in the ground or whatever is thermodynamics. Making all that poo poo into stable oil and coal took a lot of energy and though there might be less useful forms of solids to sequester it in that are cheaper, well, the second law of thermodynamics does not acknowledge the concept of mercy. It's why I'm continuously amused by miracle solutions of that issue.
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We're going to spray lots of aerosols out of pragmatism and everyone is going to start fighting each other over it because of downstream regional effects. Very good geoengineering.
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WaryWarren posted:I lived in northern Italy during the 2015 heat wave, with a top-floor, south-facing flat. Just awful. Subtle brag imo
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WaryWarren posted:I lived in northern Italy during the 2015 heat wave, with a top-floor, south-facing flat. Just awful. Europe is full of residences that only use windows for ventilation and are built with heat retention in mind. Just living in a normal flat in Bristol, England, when the temp rose above 85 was loving wretched. I shudder to think what that was like or what this will be like, especially for people two or nearly three times my age.
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Notorious R.I.M. posted:We're going to spray lots of aerosols out of pragmatism and everyone is going to start fighting each other over it because of downstream regional effects. Really loving stupid that our intentional geoengineering attempts will be worse than the accidental one.
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As a Canadian of Indian (as in, the country) descent, it's a strange feeling knowing I will likely fare much better than tens or hundreds of millions of Indians just because my family happened to immigrate here years ago when I was an infant. When I talk to my Indian and Indo Canadian friends and family, climate change barely registers as an issue for them. I kind of get it, Indians are a proud people, and many of them don't want to entertain the thought that the massive economic growth the country has experienced in recent years will all soon fall off a cliff. It's like feeling a strange lump under your skin on your wedding day. You banish it from your thoughts and hope it will dissapear on its own. Many of them are enjoying the benefits of life in a developed country where they are for the most part accepted. They want to pretend the events that occur so far away in their ancestral homeland won't affect them. But realistically, sentiments will change once there are massive amounts of climate refugees trying to get from India to 'safe' countries like Canada. As Canadians deal with their own climate pains like flooding and wildfires, racial tensions and tribalism will no doubt skyrocket. What do you do when your friends or coworkers are saying "close the borders, we have no more room!" and shutting the doors in the face of your relatives who committed no crime other than being born in the wrong place, sentencing them to death in the process? Anyway, I'm not entirely sure where I'm going with this, I just needed to vent. There won't be a single human being who won't be affected in some way by climate change. But undoubtedly it will be the global south and people descended from the global south that will face the worst of it. The richest countries in the world, the ones that earned much of their wealth by plundering in the name of various kings and queens and manifest destinies, will be the ones saying "tough luck" to the people that suffer first and most from the consequences of carbon debt largely accumulated by those same rich countries. One last hurrah of colonialism. /rant bowser fucked around with this message at 02:42 on Jun 22, 2019 |
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bowser posted:As a Canadian of Indian (as in, the country) descent, it's a strange feeling knowing I will likely fare much better than tens or hundreds of millions of Indians just because my family happened to immigrate here years ago when I was an infant. its gonna be like the potato famine times what.. 100? edit:  out of 8.5M ~1M died and ~1M fled. so we could easily see 100M climate refugees leaving india (or moving within it) in the next 20 years lol jersey city gonna be the desi boston StabbinHobo fucked around with this message at 02:30 on Jun 22, 2019 |
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Jun 22, 2019 02:23
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https://youtu.be/8hTH7-aSTzs Canada discusses a green new deal, live.
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Rime posted:https://youtu.be/8hTH7-aSTzs Didn't Trudeau just approve a massive oil pipeline project?
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MrFlibble posted:Didn't Trudeau just approve a massive oil pipeline project? Don't want to be seen as partisan in the whole survival of the planet argument, could drive away voters who lust for the death of every living thing.
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MrFlibble posted:Didn't Trudeau just approve a massive oil pipeline project? The day after declaring a climate emergency!
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incontinence 100 posted:The day after declaring a climate emergency! Pretty sure it was literally three hours later. Not going to google it though!
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Jun 22, 2019 03:20
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I no longer consider the federal government to represent "Canada" as a concept.
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tuyop posted:Pretty sure it was literally three hours later. Not going to google it though! Wish I'd known that while I was reading through the text of McKenna's climate emergency motion and its vote record immediately after the pipeline announcement. I can honestly say I've never laughed so hard at a government motion.
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Ok but seriously now, don't c69 And c48 cancel out the pipeline?
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Notorious R.I.M. posted:We're going to spray lots of aerosols out of pragmatism and everyone is going to start fighting each other over it because of downstream regional effects. I'm partial to the solar shade in terms of "geoengineering to the lowest bidder" but now that I think about it aerosols/cloud reflectivity are way cheaper on startup (and probably overall actually) so that's the one that'll definitely happen. Much easier to stop too. Homeless Friend fucked around with this message at 06:34 on Jun 22, 2019 |
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Jun 22, 2019 06:30
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Homeless Friend posted:I'm partial to the solar shade in terms of "geoengineering to the lowest bidder" but now that I think about it aerosols/cloud reflectivity are way cheaper on startup (and probably overall actually) so that's the one that'll definitely happen. Much easier to stop too. Sulfate aerosols are the one tried and true geoengineering strategy. What could go wrong!
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Whelp, if that's how they expect to sell the green new deal in Canada then it's already dead. What a waste of four hours.
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let's build a solar shade that shades off the arctic, antarctic, and greenland. they're hosed anyway!
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Has anyone here read “mother of storms” by John Barnes? It’s at least 20 years old by now and has some spectacularly hosed up sex stuff in it (vr rape porn is the least of it) but it’s interestingly on the nose about some stuff, the clathrate gun going off is what starts everything going, endless massive hurricanes result and all is made better by benign ai seeding the upper atmosphere with water ice from a comet.
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Our friend Shakova has dropped a new paper: Understanding the Permafrost–Hydrate System and Associated Methane Releases in the East Siberian Arctic Shelf The analysis: The Dangerous Methane Mystery quote:“Subsea permafrost in near-shore zone of East Siberian Shelf has a downward movement of ice-bonded permafrost table of ~14cm (6 inches) year over past 31–32 years.. in some areas very recently submerged permafrost is close to ... thaw point” 
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Notorious R.I.M. posted:Sulfate aerosols are the one tried and true geoengineering strategy. What could go wrong! Indeed, aerosols are more effective than we knew. Effective enough that current climate models are off: Lethargic Response to Aerosol Emissions in Current Climate Models quote:Observations of incoming solar radiation, as measured at approximately 1,400 surface stations worldwide, show a strong downward trend from the 1960s to the 1980s, followed by a weaker trend reversal thereafter. These trends are thought to be due to changes in the amount of aerosol particles in the atmosphere, and we find support for that here in the temporal evolution of anthropogenic aerosol emissions. This is expected because aerosol particles reflect and/or absorb sunlight back to space and have a net cooling effect on Earth's climate. However, we find that the current generation of climate models simulates negligible solar radiation trends over the last half century, suggesting that they have underestimated the cooling effect that aerosol particles have had on climate in recent decades. Despite this, climate models tend to reproduce surface air temperature over the time period in question reasonably well. This, in turn, suggests that the models are not sensitive enough to increasing greenhouse gas concentrations in the atmosphere, with important implications for their ability to simulate future climate. This paper is not quite one year old.
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