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I can't stand going to the edge of a criminal jury when the Defense is going all in on a defense that rests on lunacy which requires: the jury to make 14 logical leaps, is much more complicated than what actually happened, and won't actually be based on any evidence or testimony, only assertions through questioning. It reeks of lovely client control and is just bad faith. And it always seems to be drunk driving cases.
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Phil Moscowitz posted:Conduct unbecoming (133) is the catchall for officers, right? Not exactly, since Art 134 applies to officers as well. More like an extra, extra loose 134 because officers are supposed to be held to a higher standard. Do you think Art 134 is overly vague because a prosecutor's imagination in dreaming up novel Art 134 charges is restrained only by the requirement that the conduct be prejudicial to good order and discipline, or of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces? Well, Art. 133 is even more vague because it removes Art. 134's vague limitations and substitutes the even more vague requirement that the action or inaction "fall below the level of conduct expected of officers and seriously expose [the officer] to public opprobrium." Note regarding novel 134 charges: They are very rare. This is not something that happens with any regularity.
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Pook Good Mook posted:I can't stand going to the edge of a criminal jury when the Defense is going all in on a defense that rests on lunacy which requires: the jury to make 14 logical leaps, is much more complicated than what actually happened, and won't actually be based on any evidence or testimony, only assertions through questioning. The decision to drink after drive is just 1 step and it's in the name!!!
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Jun 21, 2019 17:57
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Orientation for MSF program was today. Talked to people that said they were interested in law school before the finance program. Told them about entry level salaries. They all felt much better about their choices.
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Jun 21, 2019 18:03
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Pook Good Mook posted:I can't stand going to the edge of a criminal jury trial when the Defense is going all in on a defense that rests on lunacy which requires: the jury to make 14 logical leaps, is much more complicated than what actually happened, and won't actually be based on any evidence or testimony, only assertions through questioning.
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Jun 21, 2019 18:13
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Carillon posted:My friend failed the CA bar twice despite going to a law school that isn't just CA qualified. Anything I can say to him that'll make him feel better but also acknowledge that he's a dumbo given that he should have passed? The CA bar tells you how close you got to passing if you failed. If he's been close either or both attempts he should be fine. It's the second most difficult bar in the country so it's not really terribly shameful to fail, in the grand scheme of things.
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Jun 21, 2019 18:24
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Yeah one of my best friends who graduated summa from a UC then went to Stanford Law failed. He’s now a partner at a top V100 firm.
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Jun 21, 2019 18:29
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Why you should proof read your filings https://twitter.com/crepeau/status/1142101537638035458
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Jun 21, 2019 19:00
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Hey, if you know you're going to get read by thousands of lawyers and journalists, you might as well put your dancin' shoes on.
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Jun 21, 2019 19:35
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joat mon posted:Not exactly, since Art 134 applies to officers as well. More like an extra, extra loose 134 because officers are supposed to be held to a higher standard. Do you think Art 134 is overly vague because a prosecutor's imagination in dreaming up novel Art 134 charges is restrained only by the requirement that the conduct be prejudicial to good order and discipline, or of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces? Well, Art. 133 is even more vague because it removes Art. 134's vague limitations and substitutes the even more vague requirement that the action or inaction "fall below the level of conduct expected of officers and seriously expose [the officer] to public opprobrium." Still, the fact that a concept as fundemental as vagueness just doesn't apply when it comes to military law takes some getting used to. Is there any theoretical basis for it beyond "Militaries have always had this power and they have to have it to be effective?"
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Jun 21, 2019 19:47
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Anals lol
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Jun 21, 2019 19:49
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Konstantin posted:Still, the fact that a concept as fundemental as vagueness just doesn't apply when it comes to military law takes some getting used to. Is there any theoretical basis for it beyond "Militaries have always had this power and they have to have it to be effective?" I would imagine that the rule of law and due process come second to combat readiness/discipline within the armed services. I don't have a problem with it until there is a draft again.
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Jun 21, 2019 20:00
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Bring back corporal punishment and decimation, I say
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Phil Moscowitz posted:Anals lol
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Konstantin posted:Still, the fact that a concept as fundemental as vagueness just doesn't apply when it comes to military law takes some getting used to. Is there any theoretical basis for it beyond "Militaries have always had this power and they have to have it to be effective?" “Good order and discipline” Also lol at anals from the judge.
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Konstantin posted:Still, the fact that a concept as fundamental as vagueness just doesn't apply when it comes to military law takes some getting used to. Is there any theoretical basis for it beyond "Militaries have always had this power and they have to have it to be effective?" "they have to have it to be effective" is the original basis. For centuries, it was a discipline system, not a judicial system or even a criminal justice system. In the 20th century the three started getting really mixed up. After WWII, there were a crapload of people who had experienced it at its stupidest, seen it at its stupidest, and people who knew and cared about their military friends and family heard about how stupid it was. By 1949 Congress had created the Uniform Code of Military Justice which completely revamped the discipline system into a criminal justice system, with disciplinary characteristics. On the whole, I'd say the UCMJ functions better than most civilian criminal justice systems.
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On reflection the thing I hate most about working as a family law lawyer is when people cold call me asking for legal advice about child supportt or whatever. I always give them a little bit of information. I'm too polite to just say, "I'm not telling you poo poo until you give me money."
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Jun 21, 2019 22:17
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Sab0921 posted:Oh hey, the last thing I worked on as a corporate lawyer just exploded in Philadelphia, so that's cool. man you really cocked up that contract huh
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Monaghan posted:On reflection the thing I hate most about working as a family law lawyer is when people cold call me asking for legal advice about child supportt or whatever. I always give them a little bit of information. Lol god whenever it's child support it's some loving deadbeat who doesn't want to pay. Every single time. I always give it because referrals are important
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Jun 21, 2019 22:39
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Dad’s get so mistreated by the legal system though!!
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Jun 21, 2019 22:42
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I told one of my friends that 99% of dads complaining that they’re treated lovely by the system is because they’re deadbeats. I have yet to come across a case that doesn’t support this proposition. Of course she doesn’t believe me. I blame reddit.
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Jun 21, 2019 22:43
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Sab0921 posted:Oh hey, the last thing I worked on as a corporate lawyer just exploded in Philadelphia, so that's cool. Leaving behind an ied is a bold move.
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Monaghan posted:On reflection the thing I hate most about working as a family law lawyer is when people cold call me asking for legal advice about child supportt or whatever. I always give them a little bit of information. Half of my cases go loving sideways once my client pursues support. It's like clockwork.
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joat mon posted:On the whole, I'd say the UCMJ functions better than most civilian criminal justice systems. Paging AR for storytime.
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evilweasel posted:man you really cocked up that contract huh k Sab0921 fucked around with this message at 01:42 on Jul 15, 2021 |
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Jun 21, 2019 23:59
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Dads don't fight for custody most of the time. When they do, it could go either way.
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I've spent the last two weeks training a fresh faced new PD and today I watched him get an acquittal on his first ever trial. I'm so proud!
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Sab0921 posted:Oh hey, the last thing I worked on as a corporate lawyer just exploded in Philadelphia, so that's cool. Good way to show up in industry news
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evilweasel posted:man you really cocked up that contract huh k Sab0921 fucked around with this message at 01:42 on Jul 15, 2021 |
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Jun 22, 2019 04:30
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Just want to say thanks to the OP for posting the Toona story. It convinced me not to pursue law school.
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spb posted:Just want to say thanks to the OP for posting the Toona story. It convinced me not to pursue law school. This comment made me go back and read the whole thing again and goddamn, it's so good. Toona my dude, I'm genuinely sorry about those rough turns, but at least your suffering has made some internet nerds laugh. The Dagda fucked around with this message at 04:46 on Jun 22, 2019 |
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spb posted:Just want to say thanks to the OP for posting the Toona story. It convinced me not to pursue law school. The Dagda posted:This comment made me go back and read the whole thing and goddamn, it's so good. Toona my dude, I'm genuinely sorry about those rough turns, but at least your suffering has made some internet nerds laugh. 
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spb posted:Just want to say thanks to the OP for posting the Toona story. It convinced me not to pursue law school. But you could be the one that actually makes it, though!
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spb posted:Just want to say thanks to the OP for posting the Toona story. It convinced me not to pursue law school. The system Works.
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Sab0921 posted:Been thinking about this, and the post comes across as "you just wrote the contract or debt papers or bankruptcy filings or whatever, you didn't do any of the things that ended up with refinery exploding", but I have never been able to compartmentalize like that - I can't just hand wave away that I had a minor and inconsequential role in the events that led to the spewing of untold toxins into a poor neighborhood. Don’t go to law school because you’ll end up a part of the grinding capitalism system that doesn’t care about humans, the environment, or anything past the next profit quarter and will ultimately lead to the human extinction Or spb posted:Just want to say thanks to the OP for posting the Toona story. It convinced me not to pursue law school. Don’t go to law school because your drinking problem will lead to you loving your study buddy and a divorce
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For a couple months there the story sort of had a happy ending because he decided not to become a lawyer but here he is sitting for the bar. 
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Meatbag Esq. posted:For a couple months there the story sort of had a happy ending because he decided not to become a lawyer but here he is sitting for the bar. Law license is a nice bump in pay for me. No intention of practicing.
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Jun 22, 2019 07:20
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More like laid up in a hospital bed and getting scheduled doses of morphine
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Toona the Cat posted:Law license is a nice bump in pay for me. No intention of practicing.  Can recommend.
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