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Mokinokaro posted:It's not even just that, the translation is so literal that it destroys a lot of characterization. I won't blame the actors because they're doing the best with the terrible script and obvious lack of direction. So there's actually a reason the translation is so hyper literal and stilted! I was actually there in Baltimore to witness the instigating moment for this, so, story time. A bit of background for those unaware: there is an ostensible remake film series of Evangelion called Rebuild of Evangelion, that starts out fairly beat for beat but diverged more and more, so far culminating in the third film, which bears zero resemblance to the original work in any way and is more or less an original work with the same characters. The third film, 3.0, also features Kaworu, the gray haired anime boy in those tweets, far more prominently than he ever was in Evangelion, where he's essentially a deuteragonist of the story with Shinji. 3.0 also extremely amps up the romantic overtones of their relationship to almost blatant heights, with one of the motifs in the film being Kaworu literally teaching Shinji how to play a duet on piano as part of a way to get to know each other. So fast forward to Baltimore, 2013. 3.0 has been out in Japan for a couple months. Funimation has been working on the dub, and they're going to screen it in America at Otakon, one of the biggest anime conventions in America, in their biggest exhibit hall, which fits several hundred people. This was, as far as I know, the American Premiere, a full six months before it hit actual theaters. There is a massive amount of hype for this, because as I said, 3.0 was completely divorced from the original series and the rumors about it had completely reinvigorated the fandom to a fever loving pitch, so the room is packed to the loving gills, at full capacity. Some people come out, they intro the film, and the lights drop and it plays. And what follows is a loving disaster. So, I like 3.0. It's a movie that's willing to go completely loving batshit, and it more or less threw out every scrap of existing canon it possibly could in one of the most active attempts at audience antagonization it possibly could. But that's the problem, it actively antagonizes the audience. It starts with a twenty year time skip and all the characters berating Shinji, and refuses to explain anything for almost an hour of its run time. And the crowd loving loses it. There's cheering, there's laughter, there's groans, people shout "what the gently caress?" to massive applause. Most of the people in that room were watching it for the first time, and they were getting the both barrels treatment, so there was an extremely high level of energy for a movie screening. So we get to the end of the first act, and Kaworu comes into the film for the first time, and this is where the wheels really come off the bus. Because funimation, at its core, still has a bit of the "by fans for fans" ethos going on, it's staff were all anime nerds, and shipping Kaworu and Shinji is one of the old classic ships of anime fandom. They'd been handed an official work from the original creator of Evangelion where the subtext of their relationship had been amped almost to text, so what did they do? They took the localization and pushed it even father. Every implication and hint is amplified, every joking line is uppsd to a full double entendre, and every double entendre is upgraded to full on flirting dialogue. The crowd, being almost a thousand-strong people who were not only big enough nerds to go to a con but big enough to go to a movie screening AT a con, see this and essentially lose their loving mind. From this point on, you could barely hear the actual movie, because people were cracking up at every single line, cheering every action, and just going completely nuts. Just a loving madhouse of hooting anime nerds. It continues like that mostly through to the end, people cheer, people leave, we all put the movie out of our minds and go get drunk as you do at anime cons, everything's right with the world, etc. Etc. Except it isn't. As the months go by, 3.0 has a slow rollout, leaves theaters, and news slows down. The first home release date in america blows by, no release. Second one blows by, no release. People start asking questions and answers are really cryptic. People are wondering, why the gently caress isn't it out on blu ray yet, Japan has had it for almost a year now. After a few leaks and a public announcement comes out, a picture starts to form. Funimation is delaying the release because they're working directly with Khara to ensure "a better translation," and as such, are retranslating and redubbing the entire movie, from scratch.. Because it turns out, there was somebody actually from Khara itself at the screening at Otakon, and witnessing the crowd reaction had mortified them. The film was supposed to be taken seriously, you see; and witnessing an entire room losing their loving mind with laughter at what was supposed to be a serious film had set off every alarm bell in this person's head. I don't know if anyone tried to explain to them that Americans generally react more animatedly at the movies, or that the crowd at that particular showing was a unique experience, but if they did it didn't work; Khara latched on to the liberties taken with the localization as the reason, decided that people didn't take the movie seriously because the translation wasn't precise enough, that enough care wasn't taken with their project and changes had to be made. Khara brought in their own translators and took a direct hand in the new dub of 3.0, and had to approve every single line, every single delivery, every single change. Funimation tried to push back but could get zero ground, and almost all the localization was stripped out in favor of a dry, clinical direct translation. The home release of 3.0 in the west eventually didn't land until 2016, a full three years after the movie came out, because of this. Ever since, khara has been extremely hands on with any and all translation of their work, which includes the Netflix dub. This has the same translation team Khara brought on for the 3.0 dub, and it's full of absolutely bizarre choices that make no sense in English, like referring to the (singular) character of Shinji Ikari as "the first children" and cutting out all of the memorable adlibs from the first dub. What's actually happening here with Kaworu is that in the original Japanese episodes, all of his lines have a large amount of ambiguity that you can't really translate directly into English. This is where localization is extremely important - you need to look at the context of his character and decide which choice makes more sense. But since khara doesn't trust localizers anymore, they mandated a translation that maximizes ambiguity at the cost of not sounding like anything an English speaker would ever say. 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All I've ever seen of Evangelion is the first movie (?), the 1.01 You Are (Not) Alone, and I don't honestly remember that much from it. I was never clear if it was a total rehaul of the series as three films, or if it was just a cleaned up version of the original series compiled together, and I never cared to investigate further. I'd say that I just missed the NGE train. The series getting re-released on Netflix has generated some interesting takes, though.   I haven't seen Pacific Rim either, but I feel like that comparison is not fitting (though maybe's he being sarcastic and that's  ). From what I've gleaned from various discussions and whatnot, NGE is moreso meant to be a analysis of depression (or maybe in the sense that it's reflective of Hideki Anno's personal issues as he worked on the series).
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See? Production nightmare stories about Eva are way more fun than the actual show.
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Arcsquad12 posted:See? Production nightmare stories about Eva are way more fun than the actual show. Doesn't sound so fun to me!
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:Khara brought in their own translators and took a direct hand in the new dub of 3.0, and had to approve every single line, every single delivery, every single change. Funimation tried to push back but could get zero ground, and almost all the localization was stripped out in favor of a dry, clinical direct translation. The home release of 3.0 in the west eventually didn't land until 2016, a full three years after the movie came out, because of this. I knew about the re-dub but I didn't know it was done because of Khara involvement. No wonder the 3.0 dub is so poorly written.
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Max Wilco posted:All I've ever seen of Evangelion is the first movie (?), the 1.01 You Are (Not) Alone, and I don't honestly remember that much from it. I was never clear if it was a total rehaul of the series as three films, or if it was just a cleaned up version of the original series compiled together, and I never cared to investigate further. I'd say that I just missed the NGE train. Minor trivia, but the first movie actually has three versions  ; 1.0 is the straight Japanese original theater release (I THINK, as far as I can tell). 1.01 is the general home release, with an English dub track available. 1.11 is the remaster with a bunch of video and audio tweaks. I know because I actually own all three versions on DVD.  (Bought 1.0 as a con-exclusive thing, got 1.01 when that came out for the English dub track, saw 1.11 for $10 in the clearance bin and figured may as well complete the set  )But more on-track; 1.11 is a near-straight retelling of the first five episodes of the series with some fancier effects and details. 2.22, however, starts off on-course and then jumps the loving rails out into the weeds and goes for broke. It covers most of the big details from the entire run of the rest of the series, and 3.33 is entirely original because of the way 2.22 ends.
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This better be in the netflix eva cartoon or I riot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUamHEvVQy0
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Max Wilco posted:I haven't seen Pacific Rim either, but I feel like that comparison is not fitting (though maybe's he being sarcastic and that's Central to EVA is the concept of a pilot synchronizing with their mech for better performance, which is lifted by Pacific Rim for the Drift concept, wherein two (or more) pilots must be in synchronization with each other to properly pilot a single shared mech. Drift further resembles a specific episode of EVA where two pilots need to preform the same actions with their own mech to fight a specific Big Monster. one of the taglines for PR, "To fight monsters we created monsters," makes less sense in the context of Pacific Rim itself and more as a homage to EVA Where the EVA units are not actually big robots but large flesh golems in armor that the protagonist barely have control of and also one time an EVA tears a Big Monster open and eats it. Pacific Rim is paying homage to a lot of things in the Giant Robot/Kaiju sphere so the comparison in never one-to-one, but it lifts a lot of concepts from EVA. The main difference is tone and the actual content of the metaphors, which to be fair is a lot, but the comparison is not necessarily unfitting.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Minor trivia, but the first movie actually has three versions See, I think that was what put me off, because I bought 1.01 from WalMart or somewhere, and then later I read that there was a new version 1.11, and I was just like  .It's like you've got NGE: The Original Series, NGE 1.00: You Could (Not) Use Parentheses, Evangelion 2.0, Evangelion 3.0, Evangelion 3.0+1.0 (  ) NGE: Death & Rebirth, End of Evangelion, Rebuild of Evangelion, NGE:, Evangelion: We Ran Out of Money, the NGE manga, Evangelion: Angelic Days, NGE: Campus Apocalypse, Petiit Eva: Evangelion@School, NGE: Iron Maiden/Girlfriend of Steel, NGE: 1st Impression, NGE Strip Mahjong, Secret of Evangelion, Detective Evangelion, and NGE 64.I just look all that and go, "Y'know, maybe I should check out that Gunbuster anime at some point." EDIT: Oh, and I forgot the Adobe Flash EVA dating sim   Max Wilco fucked around with this message at 18:51 on Jun 22, 2019 |
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Literal translations of anime are a loving nightmare
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Literal translations of anime comedies are the worst of that bracket.
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so do american movie goers just not shut up at movies?
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Arcsquad12 posted:See? Production nightmare stories about Eva are way more fun than the actual show. Honestly at this point the subtitles of the Rebuild movies should have been Rehab, Recovery, Relapse, Retirement given Hideki Anno’s ongoing wild ride of mental stability and Studio Khara being... Studio Khara. Just loving end it already. Forever.
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nine-gear crow posted:Just loving end it already of Evangelion
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a cartoon duck posted:so do american movie goers just not shut up at movies? You'll get laughs and stuff during comedies, gasps and whatnot during thrillers, horror movies have a lot of noise in general. And any screening at a con is going to be basically a concert mosh pit since everyone there is at peak energy.
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a cartoon duck posted:so do american movie goers just not shut up at movies? In theaters it's usually only reactions - laugher at funny parts, maybe a scream at a scary part. But cons are Special Circumstances, which really just feel like watching it with a hundred of your friends, and talking back to the movie is pretty popular at home. I mean, there is a whole series called MST3K and Rifftrax that is just make fun of movies - and MST3K did Hamlet, so they don't even have to be bad ones, though it gives more material.
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Twincityhacker posted:In theaters it's usually only reactions - laugher at funny parts, maybe a scream at a scary part. I’ve never bee to any kind of convention, but I’ve seen my share of panel videos from various events and the one constant between them no matter what type of popular media con it was, was that convention audiences lose their poo poo and devolve into screaming ninnies at everything.
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Thanks for your explanation. I remember hearing about how the original version of 3.0 had been shown at a con, and I had vaguely remembered hearing how it was being resigned for whatever reason. I had no idea about the Studio Khara executives or any of that. Jesus Christ, they're really dropping the ball here. It reminds me how they changed Yuna's final line to Tidus in Final Fantasy X. In the Japanese, she says "thank you" - in English, she says "I love you." Once again, it's due to localization making a drastically big but necessary change because the original subtext just doesn't work when translated literally. Ugh. What a mess. Well, I'll still look forward to 4.44 when it's released in 2025, but Studio Khara clearly has no idea what they're doing outside Japan and it's really disappointing that they have that much say to screw the properties over that much. Shame too, as I loving love 2.22. 
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nine-gear crow posted:I’ve never bee to any kind of convention, but I’ve seen my share of panel videos from various events and the one constant between them no matter what type of popular media con it was, was that convention audiences lose their poo poo and devolve into screaming ninnies at everything. I've only ever been to an anime convention once, and it was Anime Expo back in 2005. I went to a Fullmetal Alchemist panel and it ended with a preview screening of the first episode of season 2. Everyone in the audience seemed to collectively lose their poo poo at times. In a lot of ways those conventions are special because you know you're surrounded by nerds, and you know it because they likely spent hundreds of dollars to fly out and attend an event that spans several days. This is the kind of thing that happens at anime conventions and things like them. Relatedly, this is one reason why I don't follow anything related to Rock Paper Shotgun now. For the recent Final Fantasy XIV Fan Fest they held in Las Vegas, they sent a jerk to cover it who clearly didn't understand convention mentalities. He wrote an article that was thinly veiled with scorn for all of the attendees. He interviewed cosplayers with amazing takes of the games characters, and when the article released, the cosplayers were dumbfounded by how he derided them. It culminated in him asking the developers a really dumb and awkward question about ERP that ended up taking a lot of time away from asking more legitimate questions about the game. This guy wanted to just go to a convention and say "heh look at these NERDS!!" I don't think anyone's going to combat that idea. Water is wet, grass is green, and anime and game conventions are awkward as gently caress. Going to something like this and expecting anything different shows a lack of awareness, and a lack of tact. That Studio Khara reacted the way they did after Eva's 3.0 screening is clear that they just don't understand convention culture outside Japan, and now everyone's gotta suffer as a result. Zedd posted:At least the thread title has come full circle. lol
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Pushing Up Roses covers one of the many Nancy Drew games, this one featuring some really hairy arms.
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Reminds me of the time Polygon send some weird wet blanket guy to cover a a Guitar Hero event and the guy spent an entire article complaining about how he didn't like parties or some poo poo. It was really dumb.
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Archer666 posted:Reminds me of the time Polygon send some weird wet blanket guy to cover a a Guitar Hero event and the guy spent an entire article complaining about how he didn't like parties or some poo poo. It was really dumb. Polygon | Rock Band 4 is doing a lot of the fun things you want it to do posted:A few of my more effervescent, more gregarious, more alive colleagues in game journalism are on stage "rocking out" to The Killers. We are on the rooftop of a pricey hotel in Santa Monica, at a press event organized by Rock Band 4's developer and publisher Harmonix. Former CVG writer Chris Cullion did a good write up on that article The Grimace posted:Relatedly, this is one reason why I don't follow anything related to Rock Paper Shotgun now. For the recent Final Fantasy XIV Fan Fest they held in Las Vegas, they sent a jerk to cover it who clearly didn't understand convention mentalities. He wrote an article that was thinly veiled with scorn for all of the attendees. He interviewed cosplayers with amazing takes of the games characters, and when the article released, the cosplayers were dumbfounded by how he derided them. It culminated in him asking the developers a really dumb and awkward question about ERP that ended up taking a lot of time away from asking more legitimate questions about the game. This guy wanted to just go to a convention and say "heh look at these NERDS!!" Rock Paper Shotgun | What a giant catfish taught me about happiness at Final Fantasy XIV fan festival posted:This isn’t the only smudge of reality to mark the fantastic realm. Players are also running brothels in-game, as Kotaku reported last year. There are pubs and homes populated with scantily clad cat girls selling naughty words to johns, and making creative use of emotes to get busy. RPS is interesting in that apart from article such as these, the site contributors are effective of gradually annoying readers away with output, if not outright insulting them. Max Wilco fucked around with this message at 23:50 on Jun 22, 2019 |
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NEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRDDDDDDDSSS  - Me, a person who gets paid to talk about video games.
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Leal posted:NEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRDDDDDDDSSS yea I get when, like, Vice will sometimes be all 'haha lookit these nerds doing nothing harmful to anyone and just trying to be left alone to have fun' but it owns that a dude who's job is literally 'talk about video games forever' thought he had to big dog gamers.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:I have never seen evangelion? should I? If you ever do watch this, you should also check out Space Runaway Ideon and Zambot 3. (don't binge any of these three shows especially one after the other)
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Eva was sick. I can hear my sis watching it rn on the living room and i wanna rewatch it now but having it completely gut kaworu's lines and interactions like that sucks
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So this was brought up in the Deltarune thread, but it makes a bit more sense here. Recently, Etika, the loud reaction dude and the person who had some kind of mental breakdown recently went missing two days ago: https://twitter.com/NYPDnews/status/1141838051221692416 I decided to see if there were any updates today, and I see this: https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1142562288462942209 Keep in mind, this was after the release of a video he had that was like a suicide note. However I kept scrolling through twitter and came across this thread: https://twitter.com/shawnakarick/status/1141821172197314561 So aside from the possible suicide, it looks like he also got himself involved in some cult called The Venus Project
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Oh man that's getting even more hosed up.  I didn't follow the guy or anything, but I brought him up in the Deltarune thread because I saw his funny stream of the game on youtube thanks to the magic of algorithm. Now I hope he's okay.
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Inspector Gesicht posted:I thought Walker left? I thought so too, since I remember he posted something about leaving RPS a while ago. Maybe he's one of those people who 'retires', but then still hangs around for like 6 months afterwards. Macaluso posted:Etika I thought to post about this as well, though the cult stuff is new to me. I don't know that much about Etika, aside from seeing a couple of his videos here and there. This isn't the first time he's had issues, apparently. Around a month or so ago, he apparently got taken away by police and paramedics due to a possible suicide attempt. With how long he's been missing, along with his belongings being found by the bridge, I fear the worst. Still, let's hope they find him okay.
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Etika's community is extremely toxic, and they're basically his life. He needed some serious help away from the internet, but not like this. 
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Macaluso posted:So this was brought up in the Deltarune thread, but it makes a bit more sense here. Recently, Etika, the loud reaction dude and the person who had some kind of mental breakdown recently went missing two days ago: i have never watched but i vaguely remember some shitshow about him a couple weeks ago. apparently he has a break down and screamed the F slur a couple times and that brought a ton of heat on him somewhat justifiably. its clear he really needed help and i honestly hope he isn't dead.
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From his undertale archive that I had just finished watching literally moments before being informed of what happened, his chat is a nightmare whirlwind of insane racists divebombing in literally nonstop. I dunno if it finally got to him or what but I don't think I could keep up a facade like his in the face of endless bigotry like that, especially if he already had mental issues, I'm guessing he had a total mental breakdown live on camera? Especially combined with this apparent social engineer who has been manipulating him for months or longer, poo poo is terrifying and brutally sad.
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Captain Invictus posted:From his undertale archive that I had just finished watching literally moments before being informed of what happened, his chat is a nightmare whirlwind of insane racists divebombing in literally nonstop. I dunno if it finally got to him or what but I don't think I could keep up a facade like his in the face of endless bigotry like that, especially if he already had mental issues, I'm guessing he had a total mental breakdown live on camera? Especially combined with this apparent social engineer who has been manipulating him for months or longer, poo poo is terrifying and brutally sad. something like that. i only know of it because of the resetera thread(i follow that for game news though i probably shouldnt) and loving ton of them went full @cancelhim on his rear end and on twitter. so he had libs and facists making GBS threads on him. so he basicaly had no one poor dude, hope he ok.
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