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Someone made an off the cuff remark in this thread about how despite the show being pretty good Frasier is an unquestionably terrible absentee father and I can’t let it go noooooo
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Jun 23, 2019 14:24
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Bust Rodd posted:Someone made an off the cuff remark in this thread about how despite the show being pretty good Frasier is an unquestionably terrible absentee father and I can’t let it go noooooo On the one hand, yeah. On the other hand, most of the Frederick episodes sucked
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Jun 23, 2019 18:14
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Just assume that Frasier sees Freddie loads offscreen. Unless you're saying you wish Freddie had been in more episodes?
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Jun 23, 2019 18:15
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Yeah but maybe Freddy wouldn’t have turned into a sad sack goth loser if his rich father hadn’t bailed on him to go follow his dreams in Seattle or whatever  Edit: Freddy being lovely was a writing choice, they could have written episodes about how Freddy was cool but didn’t respect Frasier, or episodes about Lilith’s new boyfriend/hisband trying to win him over, Freddy being way more like Marty than like Frasier, they just consistently leaned into Freddy/Lilith episodes being about how annoying it is to have family, which not what we want in our escapism!
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Jun 23, 2019 18:17
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Kids in sitcoms are always awful.
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Jun 23, 2019 18:25
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Sunswipe posted:Kids in sitcoms are always awful. Yeah it's more this; I get Freddie as a character and everything but with a few exceptions I'm maybe half remembering none of his episodes were that great. Kids make great plot devices and then you want them off screen so you don't have to have a child actor.
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Jun 23, 2019 18:28
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Bust Rodd posted:Someone made an off the cuff remark in this thread about how despite the show being pretty good Frasier is an unquestionably terrible absentee father and I can’t let it go noooooo Again, it seems like they were willing to try in earlier seasons, that Season 1 episode has Frasier calling Freddie, which is really an easy trick to do since we don't even have to hear Freddie's voice. At some point I think the writers just realized no one cared anymore. E: vvv extremely  one of the funniest scenes in the whole show
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Jun 23, 2019 18:46
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Freddie was worth it for the Klingon bar mitzvah.
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Jun 23, 2019 19:06
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Bust Rodd posted:Someone made an off the cuff remark in this thread about how despite the show being pretty good Frasier is an unquestionably terrible absentee father and I can’t let it go noooooo the show is definitely fudging the math on lilith having sole custody with frasier only having visitation privileges a bit but it's not too off base since some divorced couples have arrangements where instead of visiting every other weekend the non-custodian gets it all in a couple blocks - if freddie visits twice a year for 3 weeks that brings it back to par for sole custody, the showrunners just lump freddie's christmas vacation into one episode instead of 3
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Jun 23, 2019 19:14
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Nathilus posted:I'm not just frontin' either. Everyone was legit cool and totally not stuck up at all. Kelsey himself had a very good relationship with everyone else on cast as well, so I was told. He just happened to not be there this specific time cuz he was off shooting somewhere. The Saucer Hovers posted:i always read that his personalty and narcotics additions led to quite a strain in his relations with his peers this is a nice counterpoint to hear COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:Can you say if it was it Down Periscope, The Pentagon Wars or Toy Story 2? Okay, I have to tell my Kelsey Grammer story. I've mentioned in other threads (the MilHist thread) that I was a curator on USS Pampanito, the submarine (a museum since WWII) used in Down Periscope. Remember the scene when they're out in a storm and have to rig a light to the mast? Well, that scene was filmed early on, when the boat was still down at Fisherman’s Wharf. (It was towed to the North Bay for other scenes.) You can’t really see anything in the background due to the storm, and it was easier for them to bring in water for the rain. The sub museum used to do Cub/Boy Scout tours and camping expeditions. They’d get a full tour, and some groups would spend a day or night on the sub. They’d set up watches, eat a meal cooked in the (still working) galley, etc. These trips were a lot of fun for the kids. We tried to re-schedule all of the groups that were supposed to have the boat during filming, but there was one group scheduled for a day on the boat, driving in from the Central Valley, that we couldn’t get ahold of. So here’s how Hollywood films a “storm.” Remember how they were up on the periscope getting drenched with rain? Well, they can’t wait for a day when it rains. They make their own storm. With fire-hoses. You know you’re in for a bad time when they bring in multiple huge tanks full of water. Ever been to San Francisco? It doesn’t snow there, but there’s a constant foggy, clammy cold in the air. It just bites through you. Filming started just as it got dark. Kelsey Grammer and Duane Martin went up on that mast, exposed to the wind – and they just soaked them with the hoses. The first time they got hit with that water they almost fell off, even though they were lashed to the mast. That water was ice cold. They recovered, acted out the scene – cut. And then they did it again. And again. And again. And again. They filmed All. drat. Night. Around midnight they let Grammer and Martin down, wrapped them up with towels, let them get inside into our only real building on the pier, a big toolshed, and gave them hot coffee. Half an hour later they were back up there tied to the masts, getting blasted with high pressure ice water. And then they did it again. And again. And again. And again. It was just miserable. Everyone who wasn’t with the film crew felt awful for them. The film crew didn’t care – “that’s why they make the big bucks, turn the hoses on 'em again.” Over and over and over. They stopped filming when the sun started to come up. They were just miserable, pale and shaking, soaked to the bone and freezing. And then the Boy/Cub Scouts showed up. They came down the pier, ready for their tour, and saw the filming. One of them saw Grammer, wretched and shivering, and said “it’s Frasier!” (This was the mid-90’s, when kids would recognize Frasier or know about the show Cheers.) Now, by any reasonable standard Grammer should have waved and said something like hey, kids, good to see you and left. Or he could have ducked out entirely. But he was such a pro that even though filming was done he stayed there and hung out with the kids. He told them stories about being an actor, cracked them up telling jokes, told them about Cheers and how he got into acting, you name it. It was amazing. Again, there he was, hit by ice-cold fire-hoses all drat night, freezing cold and sleepless, but when it came time to tell jokes to the kids, there he was, goofing around with them, singing silly songs, giving them a great time. And not on camera, either. Everyone involved in filming was packing up and leaving, but he was there for the kids, and no one else would ever know he’d done it. He stayed with them for about two hours, them laughing the whole time, until they left to get their tour of the sub – and then he finally went and changed into dry clothes. I have no doubt that the guy is a jackass, but I still have to respect for him for that.
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Jun 24, 2019 21:04
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hard counter posted:the show is definitely fudging the math on lilith having sole custody with frasier only having visitation privileges a bit I don't think it's too uncommon for amicably divorced couples to schedule visitation around what works for them, especially when they live a significant distance apart. I think the main deal is that kids don't usually work in sitcoms without showing the family to be even more hosed up than usual because kids don't do a lot of the same kind of funny stuff that adults do, on top of all the issues with child actors, and of course we don't see all of Frasier's life, just the parts that make for episode stories. So it can probably be assumed most visits with Frederick are relatively uneventful and ordinary.
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Jun 25, 2019 15:03
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I don't think their visitation was as cut and dried as "every other weekend" or "three weeks a year" or whatever, Frasier and Lilith are both very well off professionals that could arguably care for their child's needs better alone than shunting him off across the country several times a year. When Freddie shows up for Christmas or a visit Frasier is always freaking out and trying to make it a red letter event, but at the same time the show really goes out of its way to display the increasing levels of alienation he feels from his son culminating in the "first camping trip" that wasn't actually Freddie's first. Speaking of Freddie episodes, the spelling bee one drives me nuts because everyone knows the national spelling bee is hosted in D.C., not fuckin' Seattle.
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Jun 25, 2019 17:37
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Lilith feels like the type that would keep Freds around for... nonspecific scientific inquiry. "The Weekend Father need not be The Weakened Father" 
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Jun 25, 2019 17:40
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food court bailiff posted:I don't think their visitation was as cut and dried as "every other weekend" or "three weeks a year" or whatever, Frasier and Lilith are both very well off professionals that could arguably care for their child's needs better alone than shunting him off across the country several times a year. oh probably not, i was just meaning the show writers were probably influenced by public perceptions of divorce in the late 80s, and used the old status quo to fudge the math on how frequently frasier sees freddie given that little visitation was normal back then - i don't think frasier was intended as an absentee father, just a typical divorced dad lilith and frasier probably didn't have a cut-and-dry arrangement but they probably aimed at a number that would've been downright good for the era, 3 weeks here, 2 weeks there maybe a week depending on the schedule
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Jun 25, 2019 22:12
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Frasier also mentions a few times that he's gone to see Freddy in Boston. I'm thinking he goes out to visit him more than Freddy comes to see him. I did really like the episode where Freddy tells him he doesn't think he's perfect because he's seen him run. edit: And I'd still love to see a Frasier spin off where Freddy has become a detective in his grandfather's footsteps and wound up marrying a woman a bunch like Daphne or something.
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Jun 25, 2019 23:46
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Something something Detective Pikachu sequel.
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Jun 26, 2019 01:01
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really powerful image of an emotionally exhausted frasier shouting "PIKACHU!" and then after a pause & much quieter "i choose you"
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Jun 26, 2019 01:05
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Niles being inexplicably proud and snooty about his friendship with Mr. Mime
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Jun 26, 2019 01:40
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Solice Kirsk posted:edit: sounds good but there's no way detective freddie isn't ending up with a goth gf who has a whole bunch of high level degrees - it drives grandpa frasier mad because he sees parallels with lilith that aren't actually there
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Jun 26, 2019 03:03
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Cosmik Slop posted:Niles being inexplicably proud and snooty about his friendship with Mr. Mime Niles would only have the fanciest pokemon 
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Jun 26, 2019 03:10
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Jun 26, 2019 03:18
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I guess it’s important to remember that having been raised by intensely psychoanalytical people, Freddie had absolutely no choice but to grow up as an incredibly fractured and crazy person. Seriously, getting a degree in psychiatry should come with a vasectomy or a hysterectomy, you aren’t good parents, you just make perfectly crazy people.
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Jun 26, 2019 14:37
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Bust Rodd posted:I guess it’s important to remember that having been raised by intensely psychoanalytical people, Freddie had absolutely no choice but to grow up as an incredibly fractured and crazy person. Lol the episode where Frasier and Lillith realise Frederick has been playing them against each other for his own gain and they conclude that he's a perfectly normal teenager. The Pokemon crossover jokes have a weird dimension given that humans with psychic powers also exist in Pokemon.
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Jun 26, 2019 14:41
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What? CRAYNE is evolving! CRAYNE evolved into TWINSTON!
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Jun 26, 2019 19:01
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Bust Rodd posted:I guess it’s important to remember that having been raised by intensely psychoanalytical people, Freddie had absolutely no choice but to grow up as an incredibly fractured and crazy person. "Remember the bottle at the end of the maze?" "I kinda regret doing that"
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Jun 26, 2019 22:12
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https://twitter.com/alex_abads/status/1144433517465673729
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Jun 28, 2019 16:41
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Cosmik Slop posted:What? I know I’ve said it before but wasting the potential of Cam Winston as a character is one of the biggest flaws of the show.
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Jun 29, 2019 21:57
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His actor wasn't particularly good, he just had a great voice. Everything involved with the Condo Board is terrible anyway FilthyImp fucked around with this message at 00:25 on Jun 30, 2019 |
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Jun 30, 2019 00:14
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FilthyImp posted:His actor wasn't particularly good, he just had a great voice. Except this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AOc0RBl5xQ
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Jun 30, 2019 00:29
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I need to watch that episode with Odo.
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Jun 30, 2019 13:26
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I need to watch that episode with Odo.
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Jun 30, 2019 18:50
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I need to watch that episode with Odo. Dr. Tewksbury actually showed up in two episodes. In one of them he slept with Roz. 
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Jul 1, 2019 22:04
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Timby posted:Dr. Tewksbury actually showed up in two episodes. In one of them he slept with Roz. Frasier's mentors seem to follow a pattern. In Cheers it was Dr. Bennett Ludlow, who wound up sleeping with Carla.
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Jul 1, 2019 23:34
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I really wish Harry the Hat had made an appearance on Frasier. Michael Keaton almost filled in the gap, but not quite.
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Jul 2, 2019 04:48
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Solice Kirsk posted:I really wish Harry the Hat had made an appearance on Frasier. Michael Keaton almost filled in the gap, but not quite. maybe he was contractually obligated to only portray dave barry at that point
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Jul 2, 2019 05:25
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Holy crap how long have I had this avatar?
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Jul 2, 2019 18:25
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:Holy crap how long have I had this avatar? lol
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Jul 2, 2019 18:53
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Frasier/Seinfeld mash up incoming.
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Jul 2, 2019 20:36
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https://twitter.com/ben_rosen/status/1146462865429164033
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Le Cigare Volant!
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