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bessantj posted:He is writing Doomsday Clock, has that finished and is it good?
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X-O posted:Geoff Johns did some legit good stuff (Flash, Titans, Superman) but he brought back Hal Jordan and Barry Allen and then brought Watchmen into the DC Universe among many other boneheaded things. So I think at this point it's a tough call on whether he's been a net positive or negative for DC in my opinion. As a writer early on, he was fine (sometimes; let's not talk about his Avengers run). But as a guiding hand for the entire line, he's been a disaster.
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Jun 24, 2019 16:31
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bessantj posted:Thank you, because that's probably as clear as anyone could make it. Let me tell you a story about the three Jokers. In four or five years.
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Jun 24, 2019 16:33
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His Flash was pretty great but it had hints of the terrible habits he would develop in his later writings.
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Jun 24, 2019 16:33
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Rhyno posted:His Flash was pretty great but it had hints of the terrible habits he would develop in his later writings. I liked most of his Superman stuff that wasn't Secret Origin.
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Jun 24, 2019 16:34
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X-O posted:I liked most of his Superman stuff that wasn't Secret Origin. Oh yeah, he still did some good stuff but there was this whole thing where he started "restoring" characters to how he best remembered them and it should have been a red flag.
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Jun 24, 2019 16:36
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Doctor Spaceman posted:2 issues remaining, will hopefully be done this year. They're taking their time. X-O posted:Let me tell you a story about the three Jokers. I remember seeing something about three jokers and thinking it could be interesting. I've been meaning to go back and find out how Batman got in that chair. Don't the other J.L. members get a boost to their powers or something?
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Jun 24, 2019 16:38
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X-O posted:I liked most of his Superman stuff that wasn't Secret Origin. I even like his GL run up to Sinestro Corps War despite the fact that bringing back Hal should have been an enormous red flag. Those comics were fun and mythos expanding.
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Jun 24, 2019 16:38
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I actually really enjoyed the Sinestro Corp War, it felt like it had fun, high-energy stakes and was super zippily paced. When the lantern spectrum was limited to fear vs. "will" (which at the time felt a lot like courage and hope) it lent itself well to the sort of space opera morality tale GL is best at. The nonstop continuity-cameo style that wore itself out so quickly hadn't done so yet either so it was a lot of fun at the time to see which characters the yellow rings attached themselves to. I think it's emblematic of Johns' flaws though that after the success of the yellow lantern stuff he almost immediately veered into "you like two colors, eh? Try every color!" with immediately diminishing returns.
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Jun 24, 2019 16:41
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Rhyno posted:His Flash was pretty great but it had hints of the terrible habits he would develop in his later writings. I remember when his Captain Cold focus issue came out and was very well regarded, but then it felt he needed to do it for everybody.
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Jun 24, 2019 16:41
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Dawgstar posted:I remember when his Captain Cold focus issue came out and was very well regarded, but then it felt he needed to do it for everybody. That and his habit of fixing things. He returned Cyborg to his original state, brought back the "real" LOSH, restored Superman's past as Superboy etc.
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Jun 24, 2019 16:44
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Dawgstar posted:I remember when his Captain Cold focus issue came out and was very well regarded, but then it felt he needed to do it for everybody. Oh for sure towards the end of his Flash run it felt like early 90's DeMatteis on Spider-Man, where every villain had a poignant canned trauma that, quelle chance!, was mawkishly resonant with their bad-guy theming. The worst I think was the Mirror Master issue, largely because GJ could not let go of the dumb motif (I think established pretty early on in the run) of Mirror Master doing lines of coke off of mirrors, because, like, MIRRORS, RIGHT?
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Jun 24, 2019 16:45
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bessantj posted:They're taking their time. Batman learned there were three Jokers in September 2015, we found out that's what learned in March 2016. It's July 2019 and that's literally all we know still.
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Jun 24, 2019 16:46
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Geoff Johns may kill a lot of people, but he also helps a lot of people get to work on time, so, it;s impossible to say if he's bad or not,
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Jun 24, 2019 17:13
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Uh, is that a Hitler joke?
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Jun 24, 2019 17:15
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Rhyno posted:Uh, is that a Hitler joke? Drunk driving. https://twitter.com/dril/status/464802196060917762?s=19
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Jun 24, 2019 17:16
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Okay. I thought that was the age old "at least the trains ran on time" thing and it felt icky.
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Jun 24, 2019 17:19
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I didn't particularly like Johns's Flash, although in fairness Waid was a hard act to follow. He seemed more interested in writing about the Rogues than the Flash himself (in particular, the "Rogues War" arc that just dragged out endlessly). His new villains (Cicada! Murmur! Peek-a-Boo!) were forgettable, and he never seemed to be able to do anything with Wally's girlfriend, Linda. Yeah, I liked how he handled Zoom/Hunter Zolomon, but that alone wasn't enough to save it for me.
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Jun 24, 2019 17:39
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bessantj posted:How many times as a Flash altered history? There was a baffling one I vaguely recall, where Zoom attacked Wally's wife Linda, causing her to miscarry. Later, Zoom and Wally were in another fight, and I don't recall how or why they went back in time to that point (Zoom wanted to force him to relive that moment?) but long story short, Zoom instead hit Zoom instead of Linda, so when he came back to the present, she was in labor. I bring this up, too, because: X-O posted:Easier question, how many times has a Flash not altered history? Zoom came into being because it was like, the one time Wally refused to alter history. Zolomon was paralyzed by Grodd, and asked Wally to hop on the ol' treadmill and go back to prevent him from being paralyzed. Wally said no; that he wasn't going to change history... which led to them altering history at a number of later points because, great, now he has to deal with Zoom because he wouldn't do his buddy a solid and unparalyze him. LadyPictureShow fucked around with this message at 17:54 on Jun 24, 2019 |
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Jun 24, 2019 17:48
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Rhyno posted:Okay. I thought that was the age old "at least the trains ran on time" thing and it felt icky. That was Mussolini (and also not true, fascists are way better at propaganda than infrastructure)
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Jun 24, 2019 17:49
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LadyPictureShow posted:There was a baffling one I vaguely recall, where Zoom attacked Wally's wife Linda, causing her to miscarry. All of that's amazing.
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Jun 24, 2019 17:57
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bessantj posted:All of that's amazing. He didn't even mention that Barry Allen came back from the dead specifically to help Wally prevent the miscarriage. In between a couple of those panels from Crisis I posted, he took a break to travel to the future to do this.
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Jun 24, 2019 17:59
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Is jokers daughter just as dumb a concept as I first thought when I read it? I remember reading a catwoman comic maybe where she took over a village of deformed people in the infinitely sized Gotham sewers.
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Random Stranger posted:He didn't even mention that Barry Allen came back from the dead specifically to help Wally prevent the miscarriage. In between a couple of those panels from Crisis I posted, he took a break to travel to the future to do this. I don't think it was from then, if memory serves it was before he killed the Reverse Flash.
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Jun 24, 2019 18:04
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LadyPictureShow posted:Zoom came into being because it was like, the one time Wally refused to alter history. Zolomon was paralyzed by Grodd, and asked Wally to hop on the ol' treadmill and go back to prevent him from being paralyzed. Wikipedia: "Hunter was severely injured during an attack by Gorilla Grodd at Iron Heights Penitentiary, and was left paralysed from the waist down.[5] He begged Wally to use the time-travelling cosmic treadmill in the Flash Museum to prevent the series of tragedies in his life from ever occurring. But Wally refused, not wanting to risk damaging the timestream and thus shattering their friendship. Hunter then broke into the museum and attempted to use the cosmic treadmill himself. The resulting explosion cured Hunter's paralysis and shifted his connection to time; he now had the ability to alter his personal timeframe, granting him super-speed.[6]" How did a guy who didn't have super-speed and also couldn't walk use the cosmic treadmill?
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Jun 24, 2019 18:07
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Random Stranger posted:He didn't even mention that Barry Allen came back from the dead specifically to help Wally prevent the miscarriage. In between a couple of those panels from Crisis I posted, he took a break to travel to the future to do this. How? (I don't expect you to answer it was more an exclamation of disbelief.)
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prefect posted:Wikipedia: I'll just leave this here:  It was not a motorized wheelchair either. Considering he even made it up onto the treadmill, in a wheelchair, Hell, he earned it.
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LadyPictureShow posted:I'll just leave this here: Ah, but it if hadn't exploded would he eventually have taken off?
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Golden Bee posted:Is jokers daughter just as dumb a concept as I first thought when I read it? I remember reading a catwoman comic maybe where she took over a village of deformed people in the infinitely sized Gotham sewers. what I know of her is: she started off claiming to be the jokers daughter, which was dumb. Then it was steadily revealed she claims to be a lot of batman's villains' daughters, and is probably full of poo poo. This made it less dumb, possibly even funny as she steadily made more and more outlandish claims nobody bought (My dad is Doomsday! I was resurrected by a Lazarus pit!) then it turned out she's an alternate reality joker's daughter and her consciousness shifts between parallel universes or something and it's dumb again, followed by her wearing the joker's face or something I know most of this second hand edit: also she changed ages like three times, something something timeglitch Lunatic Sledge fucked around with this message at 19:09 on Jun 24, 2019 |
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Jun 24, 2019 19:06
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bessantj posted:All of that's amazing. Silly stuff like that is why I both love and hate the Flash. I feel like this image should be the de facto response in this thread when time line stuff/universe changes are brought up.  *curb your enthusiasm theme plays*
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LadyPictureShow posted:Silly stuff like that is why I both love and hate the Flash. Is it a good idea to have those spikes on the handrail? You could hurt yourself.
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Jun 24, 2019 19:20
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His time machine is literally a treadmill? Lol
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Jun 24, 2019 19:28
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prefect posted:Is it a good idea to have those spikes on the handrail? You could hurt yourself. What else is the electricity going to arc between?
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site posted:His time machine is literally a treadmill? Lol Excuse me, it's a cosmic treadmill, thank you very much.
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Jun 24, 2019 20:01
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site posted:His time machine is literally a treadmill? Lol You see, he runs and therefore...
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X-O posted:You see, he runs and therefore... Hate to see what they come up with if he had to use ice skates.
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Jun 24, 2019 20:06
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bessantj posted:Hate to see what they come up with if he had to use ice skates. Cosmic short-track speed skating rink, duh.
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LadyPictureShow posted:Cosmic short-track speed skating rink, duh. Where does he keep the treadmill? Has Quicksilver ever run back in time?
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Jun 24, 2019 20:11
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Nobody tell this guy about Black Racer.
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X-O posted:Nobody tell this guy about Black Racer. Is he black and if so how racist is it?
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