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Martin BadClixx posted:Final boss of the doma dungeon I legitimately don't see the gay thing? Did I miss something?
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Jun 24, 2019 22:11
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Neither did I tbh
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Jun 24, 2019 22:12
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I don't think there was anything to miss. That's just a weird loving thing to say.
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Jun 24, 2019 22:13
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Blockhouse posted:the who They missed a great opportunity with this guy. Whenever he's on screen and ranting about you being his nemesis, you should have been given a dialogue option to say "...who are you again?"
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Jun 24, 2019 22:13
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It's weird how in the pre and post battle cutscenes he has subtitles depicting him as a nearly mindless hulk. But in battle he's perfectly cogent, if manic.
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Jun 24, 2019 22:15
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Blockhouse posted:I legitimately don't see the gay thing? Did I miss something? I have to assume they're calling him gay cause he has blush on his face, which is a hilarious reach of gay stereotyping.
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Jun 24, 2019 22:16
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Overwatch Porn posted:the far east is better because azim steppe is the best zone in the game
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Jun 24, 2019 22:18
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Fister Roboto posted:They missed a great opportunity with this guy. Whenever he's on screen and ranting about you being his nemesis, you should have been given a dialogue option to say "...who are you again?" But I could never forget the man who had all his namedays come at once.
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Jun 24, 2019 22:21
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The entirety of Grynewaht's characterization is that he's a big stupid idiot who has decided the Warrior of Light is his arch nemesis while being completely unaware of who he's loving with. The only thing I could see as remotely queer coded is the blush on his face which...is a reach? Especially when if you wanna talk about queer coded villains in this game Zenos is right there and not particularly subtle at all.
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Jun 24, 2019 22:25
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Blockhouse posted:I legitimately don't see the gay thing? Did I miss something? If you play with Japanese audio he's incredibly gay coded and it was really gross. I have no idea what he sounds like in English so they probably dropped that part of his character. Edit: gross as in let's make him a gay villain for laughs, not that he is gay, just to clarify.
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Jun 24, 2019 22:25
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Eimi posted:If you play with Japanese audio he's incredibly gay coded and it was really gross. I have no idea what he sounds like in English so they probably dropped that part of his character. English version he's just a doofus, like a spoiled kid who's mad he can't get what he wants.
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Jun 24, 2019 22:29
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Eimi posted:If you play with Japanese audio he's incredibly gay coded and it was really gross. I have no idea what he sounds like in English so they probably dropped that part of his character. In English he's fairly bombastic but pretty much his entire characterization is "ooooh that darn WoL, I'll show them!".
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Jun 24, 2019 22:29
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In the English version (which you should be listening to get over the non glorious nippon language you weeb) he is a larger then life bro whose namedays have all come at once upon meeting you. Also use a word other then "gross" it sounds like I'm on the playground in preschool and the girls are calling the boys gross cause the boys are eating bugs.
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Jun 24, 2019 22:30
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Eimi posted:If you play with Japanese audio he's incredibly gay coded and it was really gross. I have no idea what he sounds like in English so they probably dropped that part of his character.
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Jun 24, 2019 22:30
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he DOES yell "rip and tear" so he's good, actually
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Jun 24, 2019 22:31
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Leal posted:In the English version (which you should be listening to get over the non glorious nippon language you weeb) he is a larger then life bro whose namedays have all come at once upon meeting you. Never.  FactsAreUseless posted:I've listened to the Japanese audio but I'm not familiar with Japanese gay stereotypes, what do you mean? You can compare him to Haurchefaunt who has similar mannerisms and tone of voice, and was similarly extremely gay coded.
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Jun 24, 2019 22:33
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Eimi posted:If you play with Japanese audio he's incredibly gay coded and it was really gross. I have no idea what he sounds like in English so they probably dropped that part of his character. Okay I was actually completely unaware of this Do you have some examples because googling "Grynewaht" and "voice" and "gay" just gives me 4chan threads and that's Not Happening
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Jun 24, 2019 22:33
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Thundarr posted:In English he's fairly bombastic but pretty much his entire characterization is "ooooh that darn WoL, I'll show them!". man that's what's kind of surprising about the doma castle boss. he spends all this time being an incompetent fuckup to the point that he gets augmented to hell and it's sort of sad e: quick spoiler tags
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Jun 24, 2019 22:35
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Eimi posted:Never.
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Jun 24, 2019 22:44
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I know because they were so rushed making ARR the english localization team ended up making Haurchefant way different than the Japanese version and the Japanese branch had no time to review it, and there were complaints from the Japanese players that Haurchefant was way too horny for you. It's why they had to course correct in HW with his character.
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Jun 24, 2019 22:53
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FactsAreUseless posted:But what are the mannerisms? What is the coding? I don't speak Japanese and I listen to the Japanese audio specifically because I can't pick up those details so I don't know if the voice acting is good or bad. This makes it sound like Grynwalt was an okama in Japanese or something. In English it just comes off like he finds Yotsuyu intimidating and offputting which, you know, seems like a pretty sensible reaction to Yotsuyu.
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Jun 24, 2019 22:58
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I'm curious as well because I've always heard about the Haurchefant thing but only really broadly without any real examples. I'd be very very curious for more info about the Grynewaht thing too because that's definitely not implied in his English localization. I imagine it's preferable than, say, the localization process of a game like Persona 5, which kept and leaned into outdated affectations to flag and mock its queer characters, especially if their queerness is being travestied, but it does seem like a strange thing to just do away with entirely. Incidentally, after Elmi clarified I think it's totally clear that they meant "it is gross to treat gay men as comedy stereotypes" rather than "gay men are gross," but I do think the initial post was phrased in sort of an eye-popping way.
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Jun 24, 2019 23:00
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FactsAreUseless posted:But what are the mannerisms? What is the coding? I don't speak Japanese and I listen to the Japanese audio specifically because I can't pick up those details so I don't know if the voice acting is good or bad. i suspect that it would be hard to directly describe those things to a non-speaker, like trying to describe colors to a blind person. if you can imagine what a gay-coded voice sounds like in english, you can probably imagine there's some version of that for japanese too.
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Jun 24, 2019 23:01
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For whatever reason I'm finding it very hard to find videos of him in Japanese on YouTube. I guess I could check out some cutscenes from the cutscene furnishing but IIRC a lot of his characterization is from solo instances.
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Jun 24, 2019 23:06
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Archyduchess posted:For whatever reason I'm finding it very hard to find videos of him in Japanese on YouTube. I guess I could check out some cutscenes from the cutscene furnishing but IIRC a lot of his characterization is from solo instances.
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Jun 24, 2019 23:11
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I don't think he's voiced in the 3.5 scenes, is he?
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Jun 24, 2019 23:12
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Kerrzhe posted:i suspect that it would be hard to directly describe those things to a non-speaker, like trying to describe colors to a blind person. I mean, this is a very broad thing. You can have an antagonist who is queer coded without that aspect of their character being used in any problematic way, or you could have a campy lisping villain who exemplifies all kinds of lovely stereotypes and cliches, or God only knows how many variations between. I don't think it's some kind of hard ask to enumerate what about his character is queer-coded and the implication of those things, if only so we can know what to be mad about.
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Jun 24, 2019 23:14
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Haurchefaunt isn't gay, he just wants to bone the WoL. And since the WoL is a catgirl....
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Jun 24, 2019 23:15
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I'm watching some of the JP scenes with him in it it now and the only vibe I'm getting from his voice and word choice is "dumb but enthusiastic".
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Jun 24, 2019 23:16
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This video has some clips comparing English and Japanese Haurchefant: https://youtu.be/wfmrNsuxsoY
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Jun 24, 2019 23:19
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Vitamean posted:I don't think he's voiced in the 3.5 scenes, is he? I'm checking it out now and he is. Again, I know no Japanese and only a cursory amount about Japanese culture and Japanese queer culture in particular, but to my ears he just sounds boisterous and goofy.
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Jun 24, 2019 23:21
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Japanese stuff does then to use extremely loud/boisterous hand-in-hand with stereotypes but it tends to include more than just that. I don't see anything even in the Japanese version that suggests anything in that vein though I'm fully willing to be corrected.
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Jun 24, 2019 23:24
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Superstring posted:This video has some clips comparing English and Japanese Haurchefant: haha wow. that is very different.
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Jun 24, 2019 23:27
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Archyduchess posted:I'm curious as well because I've always heard about the Haurchefant thing but only really broadly without any real examples. Basically every time Haurchefant is praising you in english, he's praising some part of your body in japanese.
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Jun 24, 2019 23:27
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Veev posted:Basically every time Haurchefant is praising you in english, he's praising some part of your body in japanese. 
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Jun 24, 2019 23:56
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remember that terrible article from the guy who went to fanfest and treated it like he was seeing aliens and he thought haurchefant was ffxiv's vilerat
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Jun 25, 2019 00:01
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somepartsareme posted:remember that terrible article from the guy who went to fanfest and treated it like he was seeing aliens and he thought haurchefant was ffxiv's vilerat Rock Paper Shotgun is garbage.
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Jun 25, 2019 00:10
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Fister Roboto posted:My theory is that the Allagans didn't actually build it, they just said they did. Consider that it looks nothing like any other Allagan structure, both inside and out. I thought I remember from some quest (maybe setting up the ally raid?) where someone (probably Cid) says something to the effect of the Crystal Tower being a few thousand years older than Allagan civilization.
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Jun 25, 2019 00:14
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somepartsareme posted:remember that terrible article from the guy who went to fanfest and treated it like he was seeing aliens and he thought haurchefant was ffxiv's vilerat Link please, this sounds hilariously stupid.
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Jun 25, 2019 00:23
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https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2018/11/20/final-fantasy-xiv-fan-fest-2018-report/
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