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Fleetwood Crack posted:... Climate change was caused by nation-states. I said I wasn't an economist, but even I know about negative externalities. The best way to fix climate change would have been abolishing states 20 years ago. The next best thing is abolishing states today. xtal fucked around with this message at 04:25 on Jun 25, 2019 |
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So did Gerald Cotten actually die?
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Jun 25, 2019 04:15
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:So did Gerald Cotten actually die? Yeah, ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK.
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Jun 25, 2019 04:16
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xtal posted:Capitalism = Bad Now with all this bad, how do you feel about crypto only having its value directly tied to bad + bad fiat? Crypo has literally zero value otherwise.
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Jun 25, 2019 04:18
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xtal posted:Climate change was caused by nation-states. I said I wasn't an economist, but even I know about negative externalities. The best way to fix climate change would have been abolishing states 20 years ago. The next best thing is abolishing states today. You didn't answer my first question. What sort of future do you envision we live after the state has been abolished? Who maintains the interstate highway and the train systems? Or are you an anarcho-primitivist? Oh god please be an an-prim, I've never encountered a real one in the wilds of internet fora.
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Jun 25, 2019 04:20
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d3lness posted:Now with all this bad, how do you feel about crypto only having its value directly tied to bad + bad fiat? Crypo has literally zero value otherwise. in a world with no fiat then crypto is worth what i say it's worth and it's worth everything you own now pay up bi *is eviscerated*
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Jun 25, 2019 04:28
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At least in the coming stateless Mad Max hellworld, we won't have to read idiot bitcoiners' posts. This will be a great comfort to me as Lord Humungous ties me to the bumper of his truck
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I mean if we abolish nation states, and all of modern society breaks down because the fragility of civil society actually depends pretty strongly on the notion of the monopoly of legitimate force and the resultant anarchy, score-settling, famines, regression in technology because the failure of delicate interconnected systems like the power grid, internet, municipal water, telecommunications, transportation, etc., and billions die in the resultant burning of authority, well! You won't get a lot of carbon creation once humanity is reduced to tribes scrabbling life out of the ruins of civilization. Take that you statist fudsters!
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kw0134 posted:I mean if we abolish nation states, and all of modern society breaks down because the fragility of civil society actually depends pretty strongly on the notion of the monopoly of legitimate force and the resultant anarchy, score-settling, famines, regression in technology because the failure of delicate interconnected systems like the power grid, internet, municipal water, telecommunications, transportation, etc., and billions die in the resultant burning of authority, well! You won't get a lot of carbon creation once humanity is reduced to tribes scrabbling life out of the ruins of civilization. Handing out the truth bombs like free samples over here. We've all be thoroughly cryptowned.
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Jun 25, 2019 04:46
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kw0134 posted:I mean if we abolish nation states, and all of modern society breaks down because the fragility of civil society actually depends pretty strongly on the notion of the monopoly of legitimate force and the resultant anarchy, score-settling, famines, regression in technology because the failure of delicate interconnected systems like the power grid, internet, municipal water, telecommunications, transportation, etc., and billions die in the resultant burning of authority, well! You won't get a lot of carbon creation once humanity is reduced to tribes scrabbling life out of the ruins of civilization. 
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Jun 25, 2019 04:53
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Capitalism is fine with strong government regulation. It's complete garbage when allowed to run amok.
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Jun 25, 2019 04:54
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Waltzing Along posted:Capitalism is fine with strong government regulation. Yes, capitalism has been garbage since from around Nixon onwards, and only getting worse. Hell, you could say it really started to go poo poo shortly after WWII, but the real plunge came a bit later.
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Jun 25, 2019 06:21
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Does statism mean anything or is it just a libertarian cuss word
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Jun 25, 2019 06:29
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No system is perfect because people aren't perfect. The delusion is thinking that if that one rule or that lack of rules will fix it.
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Jun 25, 2019 06:46
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Darth Brooks posted:No system is perfect because people aren't perfect. And until we can find a perfect system, we can't replace capitalism or even try to make it work better. It's all or nothing.
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Jun 25, 2019 06:48
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Capitalism is a really robust system that works at large scale or small. It's basically "I want that. You want this. Let's barter, and because not everything has the same value, let's used this item of measured value to trade with." Bitcoin is broken because trade value is going in but lol if you ever try to get trade value out of it.
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Jun 25, 2019 07:31
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Darth Brooks posted:Capitalism is a really robust system that works at large scale or small. It's basically "I want that. You want this. Let's barter, and because not everything has the same value, let's used this item of measured value to trade with." Bitcoin is broken because trade value is going in but lol if you ever try to get trade value out of it. Just think of it like a lottery ticket only the money goes to drug dealers and ransomware operators instead of schools and roads and also it's slowly cooking the planet.
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Jun 25, 2019 07:33
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xtal posted:You would kind of think this thread was done after Mastercard, Visa, eBay, PayPal, and Stripe were like "well, I guess we were wrong!" This is an excellent worked example of a dumb and bad bitcoiner take, when someone is apparently physically incapable of doing the reading. You should read Visa and PayPal's press releases on Libra - they are hilariously unenthusiastic about actually lifting a finger towards this project, and seem to have ponied up their $10m just for inside info. In other news, my Foreign Policy piece on Libra is out. My thesis: these SV techbros are absolutely big, arrogant and dumb enough to do a 2008 all by themselves, 'cos they're the smartest guys in the room. Also, Carlos Maslaton from Xapo said the quiet bit out loud and proudly bragged that Libra was in it for the shadow banking. This was not smart.
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xtal posted:You would kind of think this thread was done after Mastercard, Visa, eBay, PayPal, and Stripe were like "well, I guess we were wrong!" Libra has nothing to do with Bitcoin, though?
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xtal posted:Capitalism = Bad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsUXAEzaC3Q
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Jun 25, 2019 08:16
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What about anarcho-communism
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Powershift posted:What about anarcho-communism That seems like it would work fine if it was a small village where there was no official leader or town council and people mostly did their own thing, but disputes or decisions that affect everyone were decided by consensus. It probably won't work on anything bigger than a village of a few hundred where everyone is cousins, because it requires people to cooperate and not be shitlers. Oh, and it won't work if the neighbours are nation states with standing armies who decide they want your stuff. Even Canada could take your stuff.
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Facebook Aunt posted:Even Canada could take your stuff. And they would too, the fuckers.
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Jun 25, 2019 08:41
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Government is civilisation. Who needs buttcoins if everyone is a subsistence farmer or hunter gather with barely enough to barter.
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oohhboy posted:Government is civilisation. Food has no intrinsic value, and those farmers should go hungry to sell produce and buy bitcoin so once bitcoin is the world's one currency, they'll be billionaires.
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I just wanted to say that MarksMan is loving retarded
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divabot posted:Also, Carlos Maslaton from Xapo said the quiet bit out loud and proudly bragged that Libra was in it for the shadow banking. This was not smart. You're talking like you're an expert on the subject but that's literally been the entire point this whole time
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xtal posted:You're talking like you're an expert on the subject but that's literally been the entire point this whole time Lol
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xtal posted:You're talking like you're an expert on the subject but that's literally been the entire point this whole time 
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Hey Xtal:Fleetwood Crack posted:What sort of future do you envision we live after the state has been abolished?
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That's really up to each group to decide for themselves voluntarily. I don't make any claims aside from that. But if you can't imagine a society where people don't need the state to do everything for them, maybe that's a you problem? It's a pessimistic and defeatist attitude to say "that world would be poo poo because people don't do anything, and by the way, I won't either." Be the change you want to see in the world.
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Jun 25, 2019 15:45
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double post
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Jun 25, 2019 15:53
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xtal posted:That's really up to each group to decide for themselves voluntarily. I don't make any claims aside from that. But if you can't imagine a society where people don't need the state to do everything for them, maybe that's a you problem? It's a pessimistic and defeatist attitude to say "that world would be poo poo because people don't do anything, and by the way, I won't either." Be the change you want to see in the world. ah, to be this naive
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xtal posted:That's really up to each group to decide for themselves voluntarily. I don't make any claims aside from that. But if you can't imagine a society where people don't need the state to do everything for them, maybe that's a you problem? It's a pessimistic and defeatist attitude to say "that world would be poo poo because people don't do anything, and by the way, I won't either." Be the change you want to see in the world. Hope that's not violating the NAP.
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we live in a society on the blockchain
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Nessus posted:Does statism mean anything or is it just a libertarian cuss word The joke I always remember when I hear that word is: a libertarian calling someone a "statist" is like a pedophile calling someone an "adult-fucker". So, yes.
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Fleetwood Crack posted:I choose to be a neo-feudal warlord and God-king who will invade your defenseless tribe, enslave your people, and take your resources for my empire. That would never happen if we had states to help us from foreign invaders! 
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xtal posted:That would never happen if we had states to help us from foreign invaders! 
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I was talking about Putin, who owned your state in much the same way you described. (In fact, it would probably be a lot harder to get so owned if there wasn't a state in place to be hijacked.)
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xtal posted:I was talking about Putin, who owned your state in much the same way you described. Since you can't even finish your thoughts before clicking Post: xtal posted:I was talking about Putin, who owned your state in much the same way you described. (In fact, it would probably be a lot harder to get so owned if there wasn't a state in place to be hijacked.)  PRO TIP: If you're going to troll people at least figure out where your line is so you aren't editing things consistently. Real cranks are a lot more genuine. Shumagorath fucked around with this message at 20:15 on Jun 25, 2019 |
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