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“And it’s nothing against Baron Corbin. He’s average. . .ish. He’s boring. And when he’s on tv I’m not excited.” I’m paraphrasing but Dave, just admit that he fuckin sucks dude.
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jesus WEP posted:Just got around to Dave talking about the Jericho Cruise and it’s loving delightful from start to finish Reminded me of the product placement scene in Wayne’s World.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:i loving died at dave analyzing the fighting capability of high heels Extremely same "That's not a good, um, fighting shoe"
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flashy_mcflash posted:Extremely same I was a little worried that a coworker might see me roaring with laughter when I was parking this morning as I listened to this. Dave Meltzer is a loving gift.
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Karmine posted:“And it’s nothing against Baron Corbin. He’s average. . .ish. He’s boring. And when he’s on tv I’m not excited.” You gotta remember the depths of bad Dave has seen
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Too many podcasts to track. Which one is Dave selling me on a cruise?
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The WOR from the 24th that's not the Ospreay interview.
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Wazzu posted:Too many podcasts to track. Which one is Dave selling me on a cruise? Bryan is going to shill you on the cruise, Dave Meltzer is the nerd who gets totally sold on the idea, gets enthusiastic and then sells you on the cruise as an incidental.
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I cannot loving wait to hear Dave reviewing his steak and sushi dinners with Ric Flair and Ted Irvine
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Gaz-L posted:Hollywood has lied to me! As has WCW
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jesus WEP posted:I cannot loving wait to hear Dave reviewing his steak and sushi dinners with Ric Flair and Ted Irvine gently caress, now I can't either
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I haven't listened to it yet, but Tommy Dreamer on the House of Hardcore Podcast talks about being so depressed he thought about jumping the barricade at Wrestlemania 17 to shoot Paul Heyman and then himself live on PPV. https://art19.com/shows/11392614-4c96-42b1-a8c3-1dd61f55f12c/embed?playlist_type=playlist&playlist_size=10 https://www.bodyslam.net/2019/06/25/tommy-dreamer-shares-about-when-he-was-depressed-and-suicidal-and-how-jim-ross-saved-his-life/ quote:When ECW went out of business I was 29 years old. I had a lot of my money, my parents money, trying to float the company. Paul Heyman, who I thought me and him were super tight, he screwed me over big time. He was in the WWE, the whole time. I had turned down hundereds of thousands of dollars to go to WCW. And now was unemployed. I went from a $750,000 offer, and Paul Heyman crying to me, that if I leave ECW, it will go out of business. Meanwhile he was getting a paycheck from WWE. I don’t begrudge him, but then I did. I was depressed as depressed can be. I had women, I had fame, I had everything and yes it was the worst time of my life. It really was. I was doing indies, making decent money on the indies. But, I lived at home…
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Yeah I know Heyman screwed over a lot of people but Tommy has to have been one of the worst since he was basically carrying ECW on his back that whole time. That’s gotta be one of the biggest breaches of trust in wrestling history in terms of a promoter just absolutely betraying his main workhorse. It’s like an animal farm situation
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Low Desert Punk posted:i just remember Tommy bragging on the Stone Cold podcast about how many concussions he's had and working through them. For those who don't check the TNA thread he posted this on Facebook just last week Tommy Dreamer posted:Some things you dont know after a move or match. Rob Van Dam hit me so hard w/his splash his jaw went into my bicep/pec/shoulder. He hurt his jaw & probably suffered another slight concussion. My ribs hurt every time I took a breath for 1 week. My bicep STILL has a lump in it. My arm/shoulder still has little too no mobility. I started physical therapy due to the pain, this week they say I probably tore my labrum or rotator cuff. We both wrestled the next night in the Main Event. This occurred on May 3. I have wrestled 17 times since 13 Main Events. It hurts every time I get in & out of a car. Every time I'm on a plane someone bumps into me, carrying a suitcase,putting my shirt on and simple tasks. My only regret is I havent worked out since because I can't and my weight is getting up there which bothers me personally. This is just my story, every wrestler has one of their own. Just educating everyone the life of a wrestler.
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Low Desert Punk posted:i just remember Tommy bragging on the Stone Cold podcast about how many concussions he's had and working through them. Given the stuff he posted just last week he might not even make it another decade or two, he might die in the ring.
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Aesop Poprock posted:Yeah I know Heyman screwed over a lot of people but Tommy has to have been one of the worst since he was basically carrying ECW on his back that whole time. That’s gotta be one of the biggest breaches of trust in wrestling history in terms of a promoter just absolutely betraying his main workhorse. It’s like an animal farm situation I'm always confused about how loved Heyman is. Like, I get that he's a charismatic personality but his actions seem to be him often using that charisma to gently caress people.
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Gumball Gumption posted:I'm always confused about how loved Heyman is. Like, I get that he's a charismatic personality but his actions seem to be him often using that charisma to gently caress people. At one point, Paul was regarded as a genius but I challenge everyone to go back and watch old ECW PPVs(not the butchered messes on WWE Network but actual PPV rips if you can find them) and see if it holds up. My personal experience is they don't.
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Not to say he was perfect, but I would put his best stuff out there as the week to week tv. Hardcore TV is a very watchable tv show in its original form.
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remusclaw posted:Not to say he was perfect, but I would put his best stuff out there as the week to week tv. Hardcore TV is a very watchable tv show in its original form. I dunno, the pre-Heyman ECW TV shows were more my speed. He did get some firey promos from mushmouths like Taz tho.
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coconono posted:At one point, Paul was regarded as a genius but I challenge everyone to go back and watch old ECW PPVs(not the butchered messes on WWE Network but actual PPV rips if you can find them) and see if it holds up. My personal experience is they don't. After re-reading all the 90s Observers, I think he's a scum sucking piece of poo poo who exploited the hell out of his workers, paid them in drugs and painkillers, repeatedly bounced their checks, and lied his rear end off to everyone possible trying to save his own rear end. There's no one he wouldn't gently caress over, no one he would remain loyal to. Not a single word he said was trustworthy from the beginning until the end. He ruined people's credit, career prospects, and their health for ultimately nothing and then kept doing it even when it was obvious the thing was going to die. Also never seemed to give a poo poo about the danger to the fans and event staff from the rowdy, undersized venues he repeatedly ran. Always found someone else to blame. It was always someone else's fault. Compare that to Cornette who shut down SMW when he realized it could never make money, even when his desperate workers were offering to help float it another few months. He didn't see a point in beating the dead horse and taking their money.
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coconono posted:At one point, Paul was regarded as a genius but I challenge everyone to go back and watch old ECW PPVs(not the butchered messes on WWE Network but actual PPV rips if you can find them) and see if it holds up. My personal experience is they don't. Isn't it generally accepted that by the time ECW had gotten on PPV that they had reached their peak as far as the quality of the TV went? I'm only up to 1996 on my watch of Hardcore TV and honestly have fallen off it and need to get back to it sometime as it's been months, but it's a really fun show. Yeah, the Eddie Gilbert booked stuff was also fun, there's plenty stuff that falls shorts (binge watching is not always easy as it descends into week after week of walking brawls) but I can't help but keep coming back to how loving over Public Enemy were despite the fact that any other place that booked them they were completely forgettable. And Heyman really was good at playing to people's strengths and hiding the negatives as much as possible. There's a whole lot around ECW which is deeply problematic (& not just the poo poo they say or the penchant for beating up women being a babyface move) and Paul Heyman is a conman who hosed over a lot of people and created a cult-like mentality to push away legitimate criticism, but Hardcore TV from 95 & 96. But you do have to watch low quality VHS rips rather than the stuff on the Network because it loses so much without music, be it the theme music or the Pulp Fiction promos. But it's very '90s and the '90s definitely don't hold up in hindsight. Still, rather watch '95 Hardcore TV than Raw or Nitro.
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Peak ECW was Christian as champion and the Zack Ryder vs. Tommy Dreamer feud
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A lot of people not spelling John Morrison correctly
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Tato posted:After re-reading all the 90s Observers, I think he's a scum sucking piece of poo poo who exploited the hell out of his workers, paid them in drugs and painkillers, repeatedly bounced their checks, and lied his rear end off to everyone possible trying to save his own rear end. There's no one he wouldn't gently caress over, no one he would remain loyal to. Not a single word he said was trustworthy from the beginning until the end. He ruined people's credit, career prospects, and their health for ultimately nothing and then kept doing it even when it was obvious the thing was going to die. Also never seemed to give a poo poo about the danger to the fans and event staff from the rowdy, undersized venues he repeatedly ran. Always found someone else to blame. It was always someone else's fault. My #1 favorite Heyman story was him offering New Jack $5000 and an 8-ball of coke to bump off the Interstate above ECW Arena For those unaware of how loving high that is 
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coconono posted:At one point, Paul was regarded as a genius but I challenge everyone to go back and watch old ECW PPVs(not the butchered messes on WWE Network but actual PPV rips if you can find them) and see if it holds up. My personal experience is they don't. Somewhat germane to this, one of the first things I watched on the WWE Network when I first got it years ago was Living Dangerously 2000 (more or less at random because I just wanted to watch some ECW). That opening angle with Sandman's wife was so wretched I shut it right off (thankfully, since apparently it was also the show where the Grimes/New Jack mishap occurred).
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Raskolnikov38 posted:guessing it has to do with the bischoff/heyman news the what? *googles* THE WHAT??!?
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