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Zipperelli. posted:can you bring your mom to the next goon meet? she sounds loving rad Learn from the sad, cautionary tale of Microwave and never let goons meet your mom.
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chitoryu12 posted:Do you seriously think that they don't know how bad conditions are? It's all over the drat news! People are being brought up before judges to defend it! All over which news? How is this being framed on Fox News, for example? I think it's dangerous to pretend that these people are just innately bad people who choose to be uncaring sociopaths rather than victims of a massively powerful and efficient propaganda system. I'm not arguing that we should start debating randos in Facebook comment sections, that certainly does not change minds. My point is more that if you know someone who's espousing worrying beliefs, it's worth trying to talk to them in private to understand why they hold those beliefs and see if they might be open to considering new perspectives. Even then it might not work a lot of the time, changing someone's mind is never easy, but I maintain that it's still worth the effort rather than just designating anyone holding certain opinions lost causes.
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But if we are mean to racists, we may leave them with no options save embracing Nazi ideology!!! If you aren't aware that poo poo is hosed in 2019, I literally cannot conceive of an argument that will reach you.
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felch me daddy jr. posted:All over which news? How is this being framed on Fox News, for example? I think it's dangerous to pretend that these people are just innately bad people who choose to be uncaring sociopaths rather than victims of a massively powerful and efficient propaganda system. There's nowhere in the US that people aren't able to hear other narratives and non-propaganda news, if they only hear Fox News racist perspectives, then it's because they choose to. Perhaps because that's what they like hearing. Perhaps because they are racist fucks.
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felch me daddy jr. posted:anyone holding certain opinions [is definitely a] lost cause No it's the "these people are just innately bad people who choose to be uncaring sociopaths" and you should absolutely declare them a lost cause. Your position, while laudable, is naiive in the face of contemporary fascism; and they will absolutely abuse your good faith to put a veneer of acceptability and legitimacy on their opinions
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TheMaskedUgly posted:No it's the "these people are just innately bad people who choose to be uncaring sociopaths" and you should absolutely declare them a lost cause. I don't think they're innately bad, but willfully bad. There are so many people who when faced with an argument or even genuine fact will just, with complete and utter honesty, say something along the lines of "That's just social justice garbage." and ignore reality. My own parents have gotten increasingly more and more racist since Obama's second term leading into Trump to now - and there's zero discussion with them or anyone like them. Anything that doesn't already line up with their viewpoints simply isn't real. These are people who seriously think trump is "A Good Businessman." And that's why "He's a good president!" These are the same kind of people who will go online and demand everyone debate them in rational facts over feelings 1v1 honor duels or whatever, but melt the gently caress down and resort to throwing insult laden temper tantrums the moment they're criticized or rebuked in any way shape or form. It's some bizarre brainworms and it's just not worth the amount of energy it takes to give a poo poo about them anymore, they're not going to change and they don't want to change. But they'll be the first ones to blame you for not changing them when things go wrong.
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Nuebot posted:I don't think they're innately bad, but willfully bad. There are so many people who when faced with an argument or even genuine fact will just, with complete and utter honesty, say something along the lines of "That's just social justice garbage." and ignore reality. My own parents have gotten increasingly more and more racist since Obama's second term leading into Trump to now - and there's zero discussion with them or anyone like them. Anything that doesn't already line up with their viewpoints simply isn't real. These are people who seriously think trump is "A Good Businessman." And that's why "He's a good president!" “Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
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felch me daddy jr. posted:All over which news? How is this being framed on Fox News, for example? I think it's dangerous to pretend that these people are just innately bad people who choose to be uncaring sociopaths rather than victims of a massively powerful and efficient propaganda system. Ever have someone say "fake news" in response to everything you tell them? When you show them other sources than Fox News they just say it's fake and ignore you? Now you tell me how you're going to logic someone out of that.
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Wait till you find out that 'It is preferable for things to be logical, and things being illogical is a mark against them' is not a sentiment widely held in many placeschitoryu12 posted:Now you tell me how you're going to logic someone out of that. no why
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Yeah there are a lot pf really dumb people out there. Not sure why you brought it up tho.
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felch me daddy jr. posted:All over which news? How is this being framed on Fox News, for example? I think it's dangerous to pretend that these people are just innately bad people who choose to be uncaring sociopaths rather than victims of a massively powerful and efficient propaganda system. Certain Opinions
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Arivia posted:I think everyone would gladly trade the Phantom Menace for less concentration camps in America The Phantom Menace certainly concentrated Americans in theaters!
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Nuebot posted:These are the same kind of people who will go online and demand everyone debate them in rational facts over feelings 1v1 honor duels or whatever, but melt the gently caress down and resort to throwing insult laden temper tantrums the moment they're criticized or rebuked in any way shape or form. It's some bizarre brainworms and it's just not worth the amount of energy it takes to give a poo poo about them anymore, they're not going to change and they don't want to change. But they'll be the first ones to blame you for not changing them when things go wrong. Fishstick posted:“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
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trickybiscuits posted:Recently I got someone who was sea lioning, if that's still a term, on facebook, talking about his logic and so forth ("I am not seeing intelligent responses. I am seeing a lot of emotional responses" and "I’m one of those folks that doesn’t fit neatly into any one box", dear lord). I loving hate the people who try to use "logic vs. emotion" in a debate. It's always conveniently about them using logic to justify something horrific with no empathy for other people.
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You can't get them to be upset about the holes/flaws in their logic because they don't care. It's all a rhetorical smoke screen. I was that annoying leftist that argued on facebook for years against his Libertarian/right winger friends before I realized it. But it's absolutely not worth it, no matter how much time or energy you put in, no matter how kind or thoughtful you are in your replies, and no matter how much you absolutely disprove/disrupt every single aspect of their argument. They don't have a position, they only have anti-positions, the reasoning for which shifts as necessary to avoid ever being able to be told that they're wrong.
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chitoryu12 posted:I loving hate the people who try to use "logic vs. emotion" in a debate. It's always conveniently about them using logic to justify something horrific with no empathy for other people. Literally the hitler "growing up to do" comic
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Captain Monkey posted:You can't get them to be upset about the holes/flaws in their logic because they don't care. It's all a rhetorical smoke screen. I was that annoying leftist that argued on facebook for years against his Libertarian/right winger friends before I realized it. But it's absolutely not worth it, no matter how much time or energy you put in, no matter how kind or thoughtful you are in your replies, and no matter how much you absolutely disprove/disrupt every single aspect of their argument. They don't have a position, they only have anti-positions, the reasoning for which shifts as necessary to avoid ever being able to be told that they're wrong. There was a good YouTube video about this phenomenon where a right winger can just parrot talking points, prompting the other person to give a long counter argument . This just gets followed by another quip, which gets a long winded counter argument and so on. What ends up happening is that it takes far more WORK to debunk what they are saying, and the whole time you are trying to do so the other person is making it look like they are winning the argument by giving such terse responses.
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https://theoutline.com/post/7083/the-magical-thinking-of-guys-who-love-logicquote:This will be unsurprising to those who often engage with the wider online right, whether it is with someone who identifies as alt-right, libertarian, conservative, as a fan of the “Intellectual Dark Web,” or even “moderate” or “centrist” (turns out a lot of people online are self-identifying as moderate while also believing in conspiracies about “white genocide”). Although their beliefs may not be identical, there are common, distinct patterns in the way they speak (or type) that one can’t help but notice. i've found an effective response to these people is "if you have to tell people that you're intelligent, then you aren't. it should be obvious from your words alone". or just start roasting them because they'll jump into that pit real quick
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Panfilo posted:There was a good YouTube video about this phenomenon where a right winger can just parrot talking points, prompting the other person to give a long counter argument . This just gets followed by another quip, which gets a long winded counter argument and so on. Yeah the lizard brain eventually splits a "debate" into an active party and a reactive party. Regardless of the arguments made. The brain sees the winner as the one constantly attacking and not the one defending.
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https://twitter.com/TonyRomm/status/1144274666628014082 https://twitter.com/verge/status/1144274230261014528  siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh Next step is to reply to every Trump no-no tweet with 
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I’m going to confess I hate the phrase “you did a”
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Just goddamn ban him from Twitter and all other social media. It's not that hard. ("But but but but but my advertisement moneyyyyyyy " cries @Jack.)
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Let's Go Chubs https://twitter.com/GJRockies/status/1144279605869572096?s=19
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How dare a hispanic man have a visible reaction to a white man attempting to speak Spanish on live television.
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O'Rourke is a clown who has no business running for President when he couldn't even beat Ted Cruz in Texas.
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MariusLecter posted:How dare a hispanic man have a visible reaction to a white man attempting to speak Spanish on live television. Nobody tell this guy about the country of Spain.
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/TonyRomm/status/1144274666628014082 Same. Especially in this context it feels like the kind of memey way of speaking "diminishes" the statement, for lack of a better word. Kind of in the same way I feel about the "oopsy-woopsy, we made a fucky-wucky" error pages. Just say the loving thing.
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Seedge posted:I am interested in seeing stupidity. OK. I'll try to keep it short. The assertion is that Ilhan Omar's second husband, Ahmed Nur Said Elmi, is actually her brother and the two married so he would be eligible to apply for US citizenship/a green card. Snopes points out some problems with this: -How did one of Omar's siblings end up in Britain when his father went to the US? -If Elmi were Omar's brother, he was already eligible for citizenship/permanent residency -Elmi did not seek a green card or citizenship in the US and eventually returned to Britain A major part of the argument is based on Somali naming traditions and the fact that Omar's father, Nur Omar Mohamed, apparently also goes by Nur Said and signed a petition as Nur Said Elmi Mohamed, and that when Elmi went to high school in Minnesota he stayed with someone he called his father called Nur Said Elmi Mohamed; therefore, Omar's father is also Elmi's father. But Omar's full name is Ilhan Abdullahi Omar. So how can she be Nur Omar Mohamed's/Nur Said Elmi Mohamed's daughter with a name like that? Apparently the naming tradition is . . . flexible. Also I don't put it past the person who found this out to either have done lousy research or reached faulty conclusions. Finally, if people knew that a brother and sister were marrying, why wouldn't they stop them? Why wouldn't this be common knowledge? Why would it be acceptable when marrying a sibling is explicitly forbidden in the Koran? The whole thing is moronic.
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zoux posted:Nobody tell this guy about the country of Spain. If O'Rourke had a perfect Castilian accent I don't think Castro would have looked at him like that. He might have also gave that look less because O'Rourke was speaking Spanish and more because he was speaking Spanish to avoid answering a relatively direct question.
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Skwirl posted:He might have also gave that look less because O'Rourke was speaking Spanish and more because he was speaking Spanish to avoid answering a relatively direct question. It's this.
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No it's because Julian dithered around for years waiting for just the perfect opportunity to run while ignoring the dire condition of his state party and its desperate need for good candidates for statewide office so he can get on a ticket based on DNC dreams of Blue Texas but now this motherfucker comes along and Also it's a screenshot, who the gently caress knows if Castro was mean mugging or just mid blink. (Not me, I'm not watching debates in June 2019)
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Zoux there's no logical reason to stan for Beto!
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