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No bars, can’t be a child. What’s that picture?
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Jun 25, 2019 04:44
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It's the infamous Tarp Man from the Malheur stand-off. (Levoy Finickam or however that's spelled who was later shot and killed while doing an impressive job of exemplifying how hard it is to make cops shoot a white dude actively holding a gun. Apparently I could run at a cop with a running chainsaw while wearing a Leatherface mask and they'd politely ask me to stop because of my pearly white skin.)
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Jun 25, 2019 04:53
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Xiahou Dun posted:It's the infamous Tarp Man from the Malheur stand-off. Also he wrote various fan-fic of (basically) himself shooting evil government officials in the sort of, "one vs. three, I kill 'em all before they get a chance to draw" crap Western poo poo.
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Jun 25, 2019 05:05
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HelloSailorSign posted:Also he wrote various fan-fic of (basically) himself shooting evil government officials in the sort of, "one vs. three, I kill 'em all before they get a chance to draw" crap Western poo poo. Ironically exactly the situation he died in, trying to draw on three agents who were already pointing guns at him , the chump.
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Jun 25, 2019 05:22
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Ironically everyone I've known who was a truly amazing shot was a current or former government employee
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Jun 25, 2019 05:33
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Xiahou Dun posted:It's the infamous Tarp Man from the Malheur stand-off. He had his hands up and was shot dead within seconds of dropping them. Maybe if the situation had been different and instead he was crawling on his hands and knees on the floor of a hotel hallway sobbing and begging for his life things would have been different?
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Jun 25, 2019 18:07
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Typical Pubbie posted:He had his hands up and was shot dead within seconds of dropping them. Maybe if the situation had been different and instead he was crawling on his hands and knees on the floor of a hotel hallway sobbing and begging for his life things would have been different? He reached for his gun multiple times before they fired. A black dude would have gotten blasted after the first.
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Jun 25, 2019 18:36
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Typical Pubbie posted:He had his hands up and was shot dead within seconds of dropping them. This is accurate. He dropped his hands, twice, going for where his holstered gun was. After exiting his vehicle he had his hands up, then his hands came to his vest, then up again, and then back to his vest, and then he was shot. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5J9NHAiC4E (maybe I should have the audio on to listen to what is being said, but whatever, they've got the footage) You can argue he maybe stumbled the first time - walking in snow is hard and their car very nearly just crashed (into a government agent) - but a suspect who is part of an armed occupation of a government facility with a known history of not only relishing the deaths of government agents, but also coming into conflict with them, means he got what was coming to him. This is also regularly applied to minorities who are killed by law enforcement with the media falling over themselves to report on how, "they were no angels." Finnicum (rip tarp ghost) actually was "no angel." Blue Footed Booby posted:He reached for his gun multiple times before they fired. A black dude would have gotten blasted after the first. There wouldn't have been a chance for the first. The car occupants would've been shot after they nearly crashed into a roadblock, not after one person comes stumbling out.
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Jun 25, 2019 18:51
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He was also yelling "You're going to have to shoot me!" the whole time he was approaching the officer. And he was shot three times instead of 20-60.
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Jun 25, 2019 18:59
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The cops shoot little black boys with toy guns before they’re even finished leaving the vehicle, the shooting of tarp guy is the cleanest cop shoot we’ll ever see by comparison.
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Jun 25, 2019 19:01
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Rime posted:Oregon Statehouse Shut Down After Lawmakers Team Up With Right-Wing Militias At least state Dems are standing up to this Oh wait https://www.opb.org/news/article/oregon-cap-trade-climate-change-bill-dead-hb-2020/
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Jun 25, 2019 20:08
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xrunner posted:At least state Dems are standing up to this What a majestically worthless bunch of cowards.
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Jun 25, 2019 20:19
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Pembroke Fuse posted:What a majestically worthless bunch of cowards. From local public radio ilocal politics show listening to right now it sounds like the Republicans May be holding out for more concessions so stay tuned!
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Jun 25, 2019 20:24
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Pembroke Fuse posted:What a majestically worthless bunch of cowards. OregonDemocrats.txt I’d call up and scream at my senator, except she’s one of the few awesome ones who’s likely screaming about it herself. Settled for calling the senate president’s office and lambasting some poor staffer about her boss.
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Jun 25, 2019 20:26
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Well, that sure is some kind of way to communicate that Republicans using violent tactics against the government to get their way despite being an elected minority is effective and works. Great job, excellently reasoned. Seriously cannot wait for the few and minimal consequences this will have, nationally.
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Jun 25, 2019 20:38
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Perusing Oregon law on the matter suggests that two avenues exist for replacing the absent state congress members, providing I'm reading this correctly. The first would be a recall, which has to be initiated by a petitioner from the member's voting district accruing enough signatures within the district, and the second is the seat by the current holder being declared vacant due to other causes. The second enumerates ' (a current office holder resigns, is recalled, becomes disqualified or dies) ', which doesn't seem to anticipate lawmakers fleeing the state in order to hold the legislative process hostage. It doesn't look like Oregon law offers many other remedies to the problem, currently, so the state legislative apparatus has effectively been taken hostage by militias. So that's the not-good kind of exciting. If the current indecisive response continues, which seems likely, there probably won't be much cause for them to not continue invoking this tactic, or threatening to do so, next session.
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Jun 25, 2019 20:55
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Blue Footed Booby posted:He reached for his gun multiple times before they fired. A black dude would have gotten blasted after the first. Lightning Knight posted:The cops shoot little black boys with toy guns before they’re even finished leaving the vehicle, the shooting of tarp guy is the cleanest cop shoot we’ll ever see by comparison.
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Jun 25, 2019 21:02
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I'm sure the outfit that blackmailed Martin Luther King and murdered civil rights leaders is nice to white terrorists because of the FBIs integrity and high standards of professional conduct. E: kind of weird that the guy who defends every local police shooting, including drive-bys on unarmed 14-year-olds and coverups of same, because it's literally impossible to apply higher standards of restraint to policing or cops will all die, is suddenly telling me that restraint is not only possible but good. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Jun 25, 2019 |
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Jun 25, 2019 21:05
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What ended up happening when texas dems tried this years ago?
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Jun 25, 2019 21:06
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Watermelon Daiquiri posted:What ended up happening when texas dems tried this years ago? John Whitmire cracked and came back to the state voluntarily, made the floor quorate and the republicans passed the gerrymandering bill.
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Jun 25, 2019 21:10
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Dead Reckoning posted:FBI tactical teams have higher standards than the average local police department. The shooter wasn't a fed.
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Jun 25, 2019 21:12
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It was all state police. Lol. Where do you guys keep coming up with the feds being the ones who shot him? As a matter of fact, one of the shooters is now a captain in the OSP.
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Jun 26, 2019 01:28
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Dead Reckoning posted:FBI tactical teams have higher standards than the average local police department. shooting a guy you burn crosses with after work is an awkward experience for all involved. now, an urban-style kid with a toy on a playground, on the other hand. gotta kinetically assess the hell out of that tactical scenario.
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Jun 26, 2019 03:25
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Zipperelli. posted:It was all state police. Lol. Where do you guys keep coming up with the feds being the ones who shot him? Maybe it’s the fact that an FBI agent was acquitted after lying about whether he fired (and missed) so that might be what stuck in people’s minds since that was the last bit of media attention the whole debacle got.
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Jun 26, 2019 04:52
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xrunner posted:At least state Dems are standing up to this To clarify this, Democrats didn't have the votes they needed to pass the bill (there are 18 Democrats and it needed 16 votes). It doesn't sound like they dropped it because of the Republican walkout, though I guess someone might have come out against it because of the walkout.
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Jun 26, 2019 18:12
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James Garfield posted:To clarify this, Democrats didn't have the votes they needed to pass the bill (there are 18 Democrats and it needed 16 votes). It doesn't sound like they dropped it because of the Republican walkout, though I guess someone might have come out against it because of the walkout. I think that, maybe, even if they didn't have the votes, they should have solved the whole Republican refusal to do their job first.
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Jun 26, 2019 18:53
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James Garfield posted:To clarify this, Democrats didn't have the votes they needed to pass the bill (there are 18 Democrats and it needed 16 votes). It doesn't sound like they dropped it because of the Republican walkout, though I guess someone might have come out against it because of the walkout. I'm guessing their killing the bill to get the Republicans back at which point they have a quorum and can change the rules that define what a quorum is so they can't pull that poo poo again and can get some actual work done. which is why the Republicans are still refusing to return. It'd be the smart thing to do anyway. Of course the session ends on Sunday and the governor's already said she's going to call a special session since they haven't passed the budget bill yet and they're still getting fined $500 bucks a day aiming square for the wallet which as we all know is the only way to truly hurt a Republican.
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Jun 26, 2019 19:38
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Mr E posted:I think that, maybe, even if they didn't have the votes, they should have solved the whole Republican refusal to do their job first. Also - whether they had the votes or not - and there's reason to believe they did prior to the walk-out, and also reason to believe they lost one or two votes from the media coverage - I'm not sure admitting capitulation did anything but make them look like fools. If they wanted to call the Republicans' bluff they could have offered a concession in letting it go to the ballot (previously tossed around by Republicans as a concession they might accept) instead of stating outright "we lost." And a lot of good "we lost" seems to have done. The Republicans haven't agreed to come back yet and they seem to be hemming and hawing and looking for additional concessions. Honestly, at this point I think there is a good chance they run out the legislative session unless they get a whole bunch of other sweetheart promises.
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Jun 26, 2019 19:39
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Why wouldn't they ask for more? They took the legislature hostage and tried to force armed conflict. As punishment, they got what they wanted. The bill is dead. That's not even "negotiating with terrorists" level of bad idea. That's transcended to, "Maybe if we give this German chap the country he wants this will all blow over." Threatening armed resistance is now a valid form of government, so why not repeat it and get more of what they want? It's nothing but positives in the eyes of the fascists. They lost nothing for doing it and gained what they wanted. So, again, why not do it more often?
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Jun 26, 2019 19:55
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bird food bathtub posted:Why wouldn't they ask for more? There's some electoral math behind constantly walking out on your government and it's not good. IIRC most of the state senators who walked did not also threaten to kill anyone who came looking for them. Baldfaced stunts in state politics are nothing new.
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Jun 26, 2019 20:03
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Sodomy Hussein posted:There's some electoral math behind constantly walking out on your government and it's not good. They are not in districts that will punish them for this - if anything it will go on campaign mailers. Gross - but true
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Jun 26, 2019 20:53
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James Garfield posted:To clarify this, Democrats didn't have the votes they needed to pass the bill (there are 18 Democrats and it needed 16 votes). It doesn't sound like they dropped it because of the Republican walkout, though I guess someone might have come out against it because of the walkout. Local activists are calling the senate president on his claim that they didn’t have the votes too, they’re saying they have confirmed 18 yes votes and he’s just too scared and/or unwilling to make the questionable Dems put their vote on the record. Obviously there may be a difference between what the reps say to activists versus what they actually do, but either way I can’t say I buy his logic; if bad Dems are gonna gently caress it up we should know about it and be able to hold them accountable.
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Jun 26, 2019 21:04
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The answer to why nothing will happen to them, why this keeps happening and why they don't do it more often is, as it always is, 
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Jun 27, 2019 00:04
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Christ I hate that emoticon.
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Jun 27, 2019 11:57
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Death Row Inmates Use Recent Abortion Ruling to Argue They Cannot Be Executedquote:Attorneys for a bloc of inmates on death row are seeking to capitalize on the Kansas Supreme Court’s April decision protecting abortion rights as enshrined in the state’s constitution, claiming that the ruling effectively outlaws the death penalty. Megillah Gorilla fucked around with this message at 14:14 on Jun 27, 2019 |
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Jun 27, 2019 14:11
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Death Row Inmates Use Recent Abortion Ruling to Argue They Cannot Be Executed
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Jun 27, 2019 15:36
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Well, scotus just decided gerrymandering is a-ok, so democracy is over
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Jun 27, 2019 15:41
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Captain Invictus posted:Well, scotus just decided gerrymandering is a-ok, so democracy is over They actually seemed to say "Everyone knows this isn't ok but hell if we're gonna do anything about it" which somehow feels worse?
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Jun 27, 2019 16:15
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The Republican judges have been pulling these shenanigans for decades now. Their take is that democracy is not worth being defended if it will deprive them of power. It really says something that upholding a fair and representational democracy is considered a "political question". But as has been well known for quite a while, Republicans are all authoritarians at heart - and petty tyrants have no love of democracy.
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