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Fabricated posted:It really looks like the translation is too conservative in my opinion. Okay? What's your point now?
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Fabricated posted:It really looks like the translation is too conservative in my opinion. Were you born this stupid or did you have to try very hard at it?
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Jun 27, 2019 18:10
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Terrible Opinions posted:The person whose online persona is all about nazi loving just accidentally went with those particular choices?
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Jun 27, 2019 18:19
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Fabricated posted:Why do you think they translated it that way? You're asking why a chud would translate something in a chuddy way? Hmm yes I see what you mean, truly this is a great mystery.
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Jun 27, 2019 18:21
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ACES CURE PLANES posted:You're asking why a chud would translate something in a chuddy way?
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Jun 27, 2019 18:23
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Fabricated posted:Why do you think they translated it that way? its because of the nazism
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Jun 27, 2019 18:23
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I am absolutely flabbergasted at the idea that a Nazi weeb would misinterpret something in a way that makes it more acceptable for their tastes when has this ever happened!?
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Jun 27, 2019 18:34
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deliberately using an outdated translation to associate terrorism with the left wing as a writer of nazi loli porn and definitely not having ulterior motives
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Jun 27, 2019 18:40
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Augus posted:I am absolutely flabbergasted at the idea that a Nazi weeb would misinterpret something in a way that makes it more acceptable for their tastes
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Jun 27, 2019 18:40
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you vastly overestimate the time, money and quality control that goes into subtitles and other translations there
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Jun 27, 2019 18:44
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I think you severely overestimate the number of people hired on to do anime translation and how closely most of them look at it. Very few people gave a poo poo hence the overall weak nature of the product, but one of the people working on it was a nazi who decided to sneak in stuff specifically because he is a nazi.
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Jun 27, 2019 18:45
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a cartoon duck posted:you vastly overestimate the time, money and quality control that goes into subtitles and other translations there Terrible Opinions posted:I think you severely overestimate the number of people hired on to do anime translation and how closely most of them look at it. Very few people gave a poo poo hence the overall weak nature of the product, but one of the people working on it was a nazi who decided to sneak in stuff specifically because he is a nazi. Viz for example works almost entirely through freelancers and they seem to be better at vetting stuff if that's the case. How do you gently caress up this badly?
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Jun 27, 2019 18:51
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because localization is an extremely subjective process.
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Jun 27, 2019 18:53
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I think it's extremely telling that the "leftist" stuff is only in the subtitle track and not the new dub - the dub, by its nature, is going to have a LOT more eyes on it, which means a lot more potential to see a very editorializing change in the localization and have some random producer say "hey, what the gently caress?" By comparison, there were probably only a couple people supervising the subtitling, and given that this is a background line in a very late episode, may have actually genuinely overlooked the change.
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Jun 27, 2019 18:59
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:I think it's extremely telling that the "leftist" stuff is only in the subtitle track and not the new dub - the dub, by its nature, is going to have a LOT more eyes on it, which means a lot more potential to see a very editorializing change in the localization and have some random producer say "hey, what the gently caress?"
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Jun 27, 2019 19:00
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Fabricated posted:That's not in the dub? I haven't gotten to the end yet but I've only been watching the sub. Haven't confirmed myself but I've seen a couple posts on twitter in threads about this that say they didn't hear that in the dub in the scene.
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Jun 27, 2019 19:04
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Engaging with Fabricated is...a choice.
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TheMaestroso posted:Engaging with Fabricated is...a choice. Posting is my cross to bear.
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Zedd posted:Even if it wasn't meant to be gay love (it's gay love tho), Shinji being unconditionally loved by somebody matters a lot for his whole character development/the plot. Cutting that back to somebody wanting to be your bro ruins that. This. Even if it werent reciprocated or directly romantic, the point is shinji had never been told in direct terms hes loved. It fucks everything up. The translator is So hosed Up...
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Jun 27, 2019 19:51
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IIRC, it's been a long time, but isn't Shinji also attracted to Asuka as well? It's super clear in the show that he has feelings for both characters. Kaworu: Shinji I lo-~deep voice cuts in~ like you as platonic friend~ you
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Jun 27, 2019 19:58
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OldTennisCourt posted:IIRC, it's been a long time, but isn't Shinji also attracted to Asuka as well? It's super clear in the show that he has feelings for both characters. yes, but in an extremely unhealthy and objectifying way
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Jun 27, 2019 20:01
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OldTennisCourt posted:IIRC, it's been a long time, but isn't Shinji also attracted to Asuka as well? It's super clear in the show that he has feelings for both characters. Yeah but like, if anything, that makes kaworus confession even stronger. Asuka never once tells him she liked him. hell she spends the entire series doing the opposite, even when she clearly has feelings for him. Noones ever direct with him, nor is he with everyone else, which is at least half the point of the series. Kaworu outright stating his love is so important its laughable theyd change it like that
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Jun 27, 2019 20:18
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CYBEReris posted:yes, but in an extremely unhealthy and objectifying way He's just gotten to puberty and it takes a while to understand the difference between the strong feelings of list that come in for the first time at that age and really feeling love for someone. His judgement of all the other female figures are lovely and hypocritical - he shouldn't feel so high and mighty about asuka wanting her mother, he has no room to judge misato ever - but it's not like he has a positive normal relationship with anyone really, or any guidance through those feelings whatsoever. Until shinji meets kaworu he just has lovely teenage boy horniness mixed with the desire to be accepted and loved that come from having no parental figures. Shinji with Asuka is just lust for someone who is just there, wishfully hoping for some kind of fulfillment. Asuka cannot support someone as messed up as shinji when she has her own lack of parental guidance and extreme trauma, and she does not hide that at all, but shinji just knows he needs someone. (I recently finished the old dub to catch up with 90s kids. I was a homeschooled straight lovely teenage boy put through extremely lovely, stressful training for math competitions by dipshits who know nothing about math and have never accomplished anything. Shinji is familiar but not in a good way.)
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Jun 27, 2019 20:18
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shouldn't it be called neo genesis evangelion?
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The best part about NGE is how much of a radical shift the show takes as you grow up. I know as a kid I thought Shinji was a whiny little punk but as I've grown it's more obvious how loving awful his life was and how if literally anyone showed like an ounce of healthy kindness or attention to him things would have been a lot better for him. We really need more anime that deconstruct the "HELL YEAH MOTHER FUCKERS LETS KICK rear end AND TAKE NAMES WITH MY KATANA AWWWWWWYEAH" poo poo that pervades the format. We have Mob Psycho and OPM but nothing since Madoka has taken as few prisoners as Eva. I think we're due a show that does a realistic Isekai and how loving nightmarish that would be (Shield Hero doesn't count) Hemingway To Go! posted:He's just gotten to puberty and it takes a while to understand the difference between the strong feelings of list that come in for the first time at that age and really feeling love for someone. His judgement of all the other female figures are lovely and hypocritical - he shouldn't feel so high and mighty about asuka wanting her mother, he has no room to judge misato ever - but it's not like he has a positive normal relationship with anyone really, or any guidance through those feelings whatsoever. Isn't there literally a scene in the show where the three female leads basically call him out for his very surface level feelings for them? OldTennisCourt fucked around with this message at 20:32 on Jun 27, 2019 |
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Jun 27, 2019 20:28
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Its in the last ep or in end of eva, its been a very long time but iirc its either the conscience of them judging his own during instrumentality, or his own projection of who they are, chastising him, as yet another form of self flagellation.
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OldTennisCourt posted:Isn't there literally a scene in the show where the three female leads basically call him out for his very surface level feelings for them? A couple, iirc, but the one that really sticks out is in End of Evangelion where the first thing that happens after Third Impact is a montage of the three leads talking about how much contempt they have for Shinji, with the implication being that the first thing Shinji experiences after causing the ego death of the human race and dissolving all people into a single psychic organism is everyone in the cast using their last moments of conscious thought to tell him how much of an absolute fucker they think he really is.
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OldTennisCourt posted:I think we're due a show that does a realistic Isekai and how loving nightmarish that would be (Shield Hero doesn't count) Every game of Oregon Trail (2) is a magical journey with suddenly realistic consequences. Right down to your favorite character keeling over due to dysentery only a few miles out of Independence.
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:A couple, iirc, but the one that really sticks out is in End of Evangelion where the first thing that happens after Third Impact is a montage of the three leads talking about how much contempt they have for Shinji, with the implication being that the first thing Shinji experiences after causing the ego death of the human race and dissolving all people into a single psychic organism is everyone in the cast using their last moments of conscious thought to tell him how much of an absolute fucker they think he really is. No this is getting the order of events wrong. What you’re seeing when Asuka and co are telling him how much they hate him is Shinji’s own self-loathing being used to push him further and further towards the edge. That’s what makes him trigger third impact. What actually happens during the process of ego-death is a much more calm, meditative dialogue about the nature of human relationships that ends with Shinji realizing this isn’t what he wants and undoing Instrumentality Augus fucked around with this message at 20:48 on Jun 27, 2019 |
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Now that I think about it I seriously can't think of a single Isekai series where the main is completely horrified that slavery is a still accepted practice in the world. Like 75% of them (this is being generous btw) actually have the lead buy a slave who immediately falls for him because he's not a loving rapist.
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Augus posted:No this is getting the order of events wrong. You're thinking of an earlier part of the same scene. I'm referring to the sequence that starts at 6:20 in this clip: https://youtu.be/gQaafNForNs The order of events is that Lilith/Rei goads Shinji into starting third impact, everyone's personal boundaries are overwhelmed and they're absorbed into Lilith, and then, once Shinji enters Lilith himself a montage begins of the three female leads berating him and calling him disgusting, before the third act of the movie begins with the very introspective narrative of Shinji's personal experience within Third Impact.
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Jun 27, 2019 20:54
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man i really should rewatch it all, i forgot how good the animation in some of those sections was
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Jun 27, 2019 21:11
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OldTennisCourt posted:We really need more anime that deconstruct the "HELL YEAH MOTHER FUCKERS LETS KICK rear end AND TAKE NAMES WITH MY KATANA AWWWWWWYEAH" poo poo that pervades the format. We have Mob Psycho and OPM but nothing since Madoka has taken as few prisoners as Eva. Some of the older Gundam series have justifiably reluctant leads, with a major example of this being the War In the Pocket OVA. Patlabor is also a good example of this. Legend of Galactic Heroes as well.
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OldTennisCourt posted:Now that I think about it I seriously can't think of a single Isekai series where the main is completely horrified that slavery is a still accepted practice in the world.
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ArfJason posted:Yeah but like, if anything, that makes kaworus confession even stronger. Asuka never once tells him she liked him. Hell Misato trying to tempt/seduce Shinji when all her hope is lost also plays into that. Even Shinji knows it's bullshit. And while never made explicit (iirc) it's p much a direct opposite of the pureness of Kaworu's love.
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OldTennisCourt posted:Now that I think about it I seriously can't think of a single Isekai series where the main is completely horrified that slavery is a still accepted practice in the world. It’s been a while since I saw it but I think GATE qualifies. Surprising, considering how bad the show was in other ways.
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Jun 27, 2019 21:52
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Bakeneko posted:It’s been a while since I saw it but I think GATE qualifies. Surprising, considering how bad the show was in other ways.
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Jun 27, 2019 22:06
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Gate is the most blatantly fascist anime I've seen in recent years.
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Roth posted:Gate is the most blatantly fascist anime I've seen in recent years. That had the hilarious scene where the US special forces are completely wowed by how Awesome And Amazing the JSDF's are.
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