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Dr. Fishopolis
Aug 31, 2004

ROBOT
moms watch porn too

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Barry Convex
Sep 1, 2005

Think of the good things, Pim! The good things!

Like Jesus, candy, and crackerjacks! Ice cream and cake and lots o'laffs!
Grandma, Grandpa, and Uncle Joe! Larry, Curly, and brother Moe!
does this Asus look like a good gaming deal? a GTX 1660ti 6GB is amazing for a laptop at this price, but I've heard that the CPU is slow and a potential bottleneck on gaming performance, and I don't know much about ASUS' history with reliability and heating issues. Then again, it is only $800, so there are bound to be tradeoffs somewhere, I suppose.

https://slickdeals.net/?adobeRef=51...ontpage&afsrc=1

Quandary
Jan 29, 2008
I'm going back to school for a masters degree and need a laptop and am comically out of date right now on what to look for. I will be using it for 95% web browsing, excel, powerpoint, with the most intense thing being maybe medium excel or just puzzle games on steam. Priorities are being able to handle that stuff fast, small/light, reliable, and good battery life. I'm looking at the XPS13 options as i know those tend to be solid laptops, but I really don't know how much I need to spring for more RAM/better processor. Do I need 8GB of RAM for sure or would 4GB be pretty similar? I'm looking at either the standard XPS 13 or the 2 in 1. Alternately, would something like that Lenovo IdeaPad work or would that be not strong enough? The price certainly looks nice.

Open to other options too, just looking for something reliable and cheap that won't make me hate myself when I use it.

Also, are there generally any issues with refurb devices? I'd like to save a few hundred as long as the thing still works ok and the lifetime is good.

Quandary fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Jun 25, 2019

Dr. Fishopolis
Aug 31, 2004

ROBOT
I didn't know it was possible to configure an XPS 13 with 4gb ram. In any case, don't. 8 is the bare minimum.

Refurbs are excellent if they come with the same manufacturer warranty as new ones, which they often do.

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

Barry Convex posted:

does this Asus look like a good gaming deal? a GTX 1660ti 6GB is amazing for a laptop at this price, but I've heard that the CPU is slow and a potential bottleneck on gaming performance, and I don't know much about ASUS' history with reliability and heating issues. Then again, it is only $800, so there are bound to be tradeoffs somewhere, I suppose.

https://slickdeals.net/?adobeRef=51...ontpage&afsrc=1

The processor is fine for 1080p ultra settings. If you want more than that then you need to go Intel for now.

Barry Convex
Sep 1, 2005

Think of the good things, Pim! The good things!

Like Jesus, candy, and crackerjacks! Ice cream and cake and lots o'laffs!
Grandma, Grandpa, and Uncle Joe! Larry, Curly, and brother Moe!

Mu Zeta posted:

The processor is fine for 1080p ultra settings. If you want more than that then you need to go Intel for now.

just checking to be sure you're not thinking of the Ryzen 7 model of the same laptop, which is $200 more expensive? most of the reviews I can find are of that model

Barry Convex fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Jun 25, 2019

FCKGW
May 21, 2006

Quandary posted:

I'm going back to school for a masters degree and need a laptop and am comically out of date right now on what to look for. I will be using it for 95% web browsing, excel, powerpoint, with the most intense thing being maybe medium excel or just puzzle games on steam. Priorities are being able to handle that stuff fast, small/light, reliable, and good battery life. I'm looking at the XPS13 options as i know those tend to be solid laptops, but I really don't know how much I need to spring for more RAM/better processor. Do I need 8GB of RAM for sure or would 4GB be pretty similar? I'm looking at either the standard XPS 13 or the 2 in 1. Alternately, would something like that Lenovo IdeaPad work or would that be not strong enough? The price certainly looks nice.

Open to other options too, just looking for something reliable and cheap that won't make me hate myself when I use it.

Also, are there generally any issues with refurb devices? I'd like to save a few hundred as long as the thing still works ok and the lifetime is good.

I feel like this would be a better option at slightly cheaper.
https://outlet.us.dell.com/ARBOnlin...6i2AcfxUaotE%3d

Micro Center has them in-stock too if you want to buy from a retail place or pick up immediately
https://www.microcenter.com/product/603047/xps-13-9370-133-laptop-computer-refurbished---silver

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

Barry Convex posted:

just checking to be sure you're not thinking of the Ryzen 7 model of the same laptop, which is $200 more expensive? most of the reviews I can find are of that model

Yeah it turns out the reviews I read were for the Ryzen 7. I wonder how different it is?

e: the ryzen 7 seems to be about 50% faster than the 5. Ouch.

Atomizer
Jun 24, 2007



Eptar posted:

I just picked up a 15.6" lenovo yoga 730 from best buy (this one: https://www.bestbuy.com/site/lenovo...p?skuId=6331991 ) since I had heard good things about them, and I wanted a laptop with a thunderbolt 3 port in case I ever wanted to add an external gpu down the line some day. I've only owned one laptop prior to this (an old sony vaio) and I'm noticing that the hinges on the lenovo are incredibly springy. I've got it on my desk right now and any slight jarring of the desk causes the screen to 'bounce' back and forth a bit, and when its on my lap its even more noticeable since I tend to be fidgety and tap my foot. I'm guessing this is related to the fact that it converts to a tablet, so the hinge can't be quite as tight / stable; i don't really care about the tablet functionality per say, i just figured maybe down the line i'll find a use for it, so right now i'm just trying to figure out if the bounciness of the screen is going to drive me nuts. It's mostly noticeable due to glare / reflected things in the background, which I can see oscillating up and down on the screen when it bounces. Does anybody have a recommendation (aside from putting something tall and stable behind it) for how to stabilize the screen since I don't plan on using it in tablet mode any time soon? I was thinking maybe wedge something small in between the base and the screen, but I can't think of what to use and it would probably look terrible. Or failing that, can anyone recommend a laptop of similar price and performance that I should consider swapping this out for? Has to be through best buy, I had $800 in reward certificates to use there from some appliance purchases earlier in the year. Thanks!

It probably varies between models, but I can't say I've used a convertible laptop that has an abnormally unstable hinge; the other consideration is that it also comes down to personal preference. That model might very well have a weak hinge though, possibly due to the convertibility like you noted but also possibly as it's still kind of a "budget" model (it's not "cheap," but there are modestly higher-priced laptops that are expected to have higher build quality.) It might also be the case that the display portion is just heavy/massive due to the design of the convertible and so a functionally stiffer hinge would make the device annoyingly more difficult to operate.

Having TB3 for future expansion is a reasonable strategy, just double-check the state of the technology and the compromises of eGPUs before you spend megabux on one and expect desktop-like performance. They certainly work, and I recommend them for adding functionality (like you're planning) rather than building out a gaming system system from the beginning (or hauling it around instead of just getting a proper gaming laptop.)

You could get a matte screen cover if the glare in general (on any laptop) is a concern. Other than that, we generally don't recommend convertibles/detachables "just in case" you might have a use for them at some point, because there are compromises over conventional laptops that you may not be willing to make (as you've discovered with the hinge thing.) If you have a specific need for their functionality, then go for it, but otherwise they tend to be heavy, awkward tablets and expensive laptops.

blk posted:

I need a laptop for my 70 year old mom.

Priorities:

13"+ screen
1 TB SSD
Light
Thin
8 GB or more of RAM
Cheap
Win10

Other hardware poo poo doesn't matter.

Any ideas?

Asus ZenBook/VivoBook, Acer Swift. They make plenty of 13" thin & light models, just look for one that can easily be opened to upgrade the storage as below. (Acers tend to be good in this regard.)

Statutory Ape posted:

why exactly does mom need 1tb of internal storage

My thoughts exactly. I don't even need a 1 TB SSD, although I could certainly fill it with games or similar, but I could easily make do with a smaller boot SSD and secondary drives. I still can't figure out why she needs a huge SSD, period, or even out of the box (where expanding the search to laptops that can easily have their storage upgraded would provide a lot more options.)

Dr. Fishopolis posted:

moms watch porn too

edit: what a page snipe holy poo poo

Do moms think you have to DL all your porn before you watch it? :confused:

Barry Convex posted:

does this Asus look like a good gaming deal? a GTX 1660ti 6GB is amazing for a laptop at this price, but I've heard that the CPU is slow and a potential bottleneck on gaming performance, and I don't know much about ASUS' history with reliability and heating issues. Then again, it is only $800, so there are bound to be tradeoffs somewhere, I suppose.

https://slickdeals.net/?adobeRef=51...ontpage&afsrc=1

I think this is one of the two (the other being a $1k variant) that I linked a few days ago. The CPUs in either model are fine for gaming, and we had a discussion on that as well, read the last couple of pages. For the price though any tradeoffs should be well worth the gaming performance. (The other version is probably the better buy for double the RAM, a better display, and a slight CPU upgrade.)

Quandary posted:

I'm going back to school for a masters degree and need a laptop and am comically out of date right now on what to look for. I will be using it for 95% web browsing, excel, powerpoint, with the most intense thing being maybe medium excel or just puzzle games on steam. Priorities are being able to handle that stuff fast, small/light, reliable, and good battery life. I'm looking at the XPS13 options as i know those tend to be solid laptops, but I really don't know how much I need to spring for more RAM/better processor. Do I need 8GB of RAM for sure or would 4GB be pretty similar? I'm looking at either the standard XPS 13 or the 2 in 1. Alternately, would something like that Lenovo IdeaPad work or would that be not strong enough? The price certainly looks nice.

Open to other options too, just looking for something reliable and cheap that won't make me hate myself when I use it.

Also, are there generally any issues with refurb devices? I'd like to save a few hundred as long as the thing still works ok and the lifetime is good.

Dr. Fishopolis posted:

I didn't know it was possible to configure an XPS 13 with 4gb ram. In any case, don't. 8 is the bare minimum.

Refurbs are excellent if they come with the same manufacturer warranty as new ones, which they often do.

I would still probably say that 4 GB of RAM for a browsing-only Mom-puter would still suffice, with 8 GB being a reasonable goal (and any more than that being unnecessary.) 8 GB of RAM should suffice for medium-duty productivity work (i.e. the stuff Quandary mentioned) while being the bare minimum for a gaming system. Not really arguing with Fish's recommendation, just presenting options based on personal experience. Although nowadays considering new smartphones have >4 GB of RAM it seems pretty ridiculous to consider full PCs with less. :shrug:

Mu Zeta posted:

Yeah it turns out the reviews I read were for the Ryzen 7. I wonder how different it is?

e: the ryzen 7 seems to be about 50% faster than the 5. Ouch.

If we were talking about the two Ryzen CPUs in the Asus Microcenter gaming laptops, they're both pretty close, not 50% apart; both are 4C8T with the 7 just being clocked a little higher.

Barry Convex
Sep 1, 2005

Think of the good things, Pim! The good things!

Like Jesus, candy, and crackerjacks! Ice cream and cake and lots o'laffs!
Grandma, Grandpa, and Uncle Joe! Larry, Curly, and brother Moe!

Mu Zeta posted:

Yeah it turns out the reviews I read were for the Ryzen 7. I wonder how different it is?

e: the ryzen 7 seems to be about 50% faster than the 5. Ouch.

is there a source for it being 50% faster? I could swear I read that somewhere too, but I looked up benchmarks and they don't show anywhere near that large a performance gap. Possible that they don't accurately reflect real-world gaming performance, though.

Atomizer posted:

I think this is one of the two (the other being a $1k variant) that I linked a few days ago. The CPUs in either model are fine for gaming, and we had a discussion on that as well, read the last couple of pages. For the price though any tradeoffs should be well worth the gaming performance. (The other version is probably the better buy for double the RAM, a better display, and a slight CPU upgrade.)

ah, thanks. I'll mull it over, but I doubt I'd pay $200 extra given that I don't care much about a 120Hz display. any known heating/throttling issues with this series?

Barry Convex fucked around with this message at 22:58 on Jun 25, 2019

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

I saw it here in the comparison chart. It says it's over 50% faster but that might be some generic benchmark

https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Ryzen-5-3550H-Processor.391031.0.html

Atomizer
Jun 24, 2007



Barry Convex posted:

is there a source for it being 50% faster? I could swear I read that somewhere too, but I looked up benchmarks and they don't show anywhere near that large a performance gap. Possible that they don't accurately reflect real-world gaming performance, though.


ah, thanks. I'll mull it over, but I doubt I'd pay $200 extra given that I don't care much about a 120Hz display. any known heating/throttling issues with this series?

I would say we still don't have a ton of experience in this thread with Ryzen mobile chips compared to Intel's, just based on the devices we talk about and the general chatter. As far as I can tell they're sufficiently performant and are finally worthy alternatives to Intel's CPUs, with drivers having been the main issue at least when they first came out; laptop vendors generally receive drivers and tweak them if necessary before certifying them for their specific hardware, which is why installing generic manufacturer drivers (in this case, platform/chipset) is "unsupported" and may lead to undesirable results. I'm not sure if this is still an issue for Ryzen mobile though.

I definitely haven't seen any same-gen, mobile Ryzen 5 vs. 7 performance differential being 50%, but by comparison, the common i7-8750H is a good >30% more performant than the Ryzen 7 3750H in the synthetic Passmark benchmark, for example. That's a difference of 6 vs 4 cores though and 45 vs 35 watts. As I've said repeatedly, most 3D gaming relies more heavily on the GPU, with the CPU only being the bottleneck in certain titles (e.g. RTS, open world, lots of AI routines, etc.,) or under certain conditions (e.g. abnormally low graphical settings to maximize framerate.)

The $200 more expensive model probably isn't worth it if you don't care about the display at all; as mentioned the CPU difference isn't that meaningful, but you do want to upgrade from 8 to 16 GB of RAM because that's at least a midrange gaming system. You'd just have to do a little research to determine how easy it is to upgrade; if it has a single 8 GB DIMM and two slots then adding another 8 GB is the best-case scenario, but if it's 2x4 GB then you have the extra expense and hassle of buying 2x8 GB DIMMs (about $60 for 2666 MHz but $75+ for faster RAM, and Ryzen is a platform where RAM speed makes more of a difference,) and reselling the original ones, and the worst-case is if the RAM is soldered and non-upgradeable. In that case buying the higher-end model would be the only sensible choice.

Also, high-refresh displays are the shiznit; anyone who's used one hates to go back to a 60 Hz panel. Are you sure you wouldn't appreciate the 120 Hz display? I'll bet you haven't experienced one yourself. Even if you wanted to upgrade the lesser model yourself later on and it wasn't too difficult to do, a 120 Hz panel might be $100 by itself, so between that and the RAM upgrade alone you're approaching the point where just going with the $1k model from the start makes sense.

I'm not aware of any cooling issues with Ryzen mobile; we're only talking about 35 W parts here, so they're not the most difficult to cool, but in general thicker, heavier laptops have more room for better cooling systems and have less thermal throttling. Even a thin Intel system can throttle.

Mu Zeta posted:

I saw it here in the comparison chart. It says it's over 50% faster but that might be some generic benchmark

https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Ryzen-5-3550H-Processor.391031.0.html

Where are you seeing the "over 50%" info? That article has some performance info (especially a lot of synthetic benchmarks) but not an obvious direct comparison of the Ryzen 5 and 7 CPUs that we're talking about. It doesn't have direct gaming benchmarks listed, and the laptops reviewed with that Ryzen 5 don't even have the GPU in the models he's looking at. Honestly I would disregard this "over 50%" line of inquiry because I don't think it's accurate or relevant.

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

It shows the direct comparison when you hit the "comparison chart" button but it's all synthetic comparisons I think

Atomizer
Jun 24, 2007



Yeah those are mostly synthetic benchmarks (with 3Dmark not being a great example of a real-world benchmark even though it's technically rendering a game-like 3D scene, comparable to an in-game benchmark, as in for example GTA5 or Tomb Raider,) but none are relevant because they don't compare the GPU in the laptops under consideration. We don't really care how well/poorly the pitiful 560x performs, or the iGPU in any of the Intel/AMD chips shown.

I mean technically we could just be talking about overall CPU performance between just the CPUs in those two laptop variants, in which case synthetic results could be usable, but the difference certainly isn't 50% between those two, as in Passmark. Ultimately he was asking about the impact of the CPU on gaming performance which is why I commented as such.

the other hand
Dec 14, 2003


43rd Heavy Artillery Brigade
"Ultima Ratio Liberalium"
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the other hand fucked around with this message at 02:52 on Oct 31, 2022

Quandary
Jan 29, 2008
What should I be looking for from a processor perspective? I know I want an 8th gen, but would something like the i5-8200Y Processor keep me from doing what I want? I see some very cheap computers with that processor and some googling leads to me believe it's weaker but more power efficient. I just don't know how much that would be worse than something like an i5-8520U or an i7-8550U. Looking at this specifically, which looks like a great deal, but i'm a bit nervous about the processor.

Shrimp or Shrimps
Feb 14, 2012


The IGG campaign for the GPD Pocket 2 Max just went online. 8.9" screen, 8100Y processor (2c/4t), 8/16G of ram, 2560 x 1600 resolution, and 256/512GB of storage.

I guess this is what netbooks were supposed to be? https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gpd-p2-max-the-world-s-smallest-ultrabook/x/18053787#/

I have the Win 2 and am looking forward to the Win 2 Max with the Ryzen APU. Wondering how they'll deal with battery life on that one.

Atomizer
Jun 24, 2007



Yeah I can't see a use for the P2 Max beyond as an ultra-ultra portable that can just do light productivity stuff at a premium price, for those who for whatever reason can't just use a slightly larger Chromebook at half the price. :shrug:

The Win 2 Max on the other hand is definitely interesting for the increased gaming performance.

isndl
May 2, 2012
I WON A CONTEST IN TG AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS CUSTOM TITLE

Statutory Ape posted:

why exactly does mom need 1tb of internal storage

Given a choice I'd probably opt for the same over fielding support calls because she took too many photos or difficulties with external hard drives. :shrug:

DrDork
Dec 29, 2003
commanding officer of the Army of Dorkness

Quandary posted:

What should I be looking for from a processor perspective? I know I want an 8th gen, but would something like the i5-8200Y Processor keep me from doing what I want? I see some very cheap computers with that processor and some googling leads to me believe it's weaker but more power efficient. I just don't know how much that would be worse than something like an i5-8520U or an i7-8550U. Looking at this specifically, which looks like a great deal, but i'm a bit nervous about the processor.

Depends on what it is you want to do. The Y-series CPUs are meant for minimal work and maximum battery life, so if you want something that's super light, no fan, and runs all day, it's a good choice. Its main use is to power things like Chromebooks and other platforms you'll only usually be doing one thing at a time on (and most of that being browsing, Word, or Netflix). If you want something that can handle games, heavier productivity work, etc, then a Y-series chip is not for you. The i5-8520U is roughly twice as powerful as the i5-8200Y.

Shibawanko
Feb 13, 2013

Anyone have any tips on creating new rubbers for an old laptop? I have a Lenovo G580 that I'm fond of and which still works great, but some of the rubbers have gone missing. Replacements are rather expensive including shipping costs and some of the smaller ones aren't available at all. I can't find a good tutorial on how to make them myself, has anyone tried this, what kind of material did you use and was it easy to just cut them into a certain shape?

Rexxed
May 1, 2010

Dis is amazing!
I gotta try dis!

Shibawanko posted:

Anyone have any tips on creating new rubbers for an old laptop? I have a Lenovo G580 that I'm fond of and which still works great, but some of the rubbers have gone missing. Replacements are rather expensive including shipping costs and some of the smaller ones aren't available at all. I can't find a good tutorial on how to make them myself, has anyone tried this, what kind of material did you use and was it easy to just cut them into a certain shape?

Do you mean feet or other pads or is rubbers a euphemism for more than condoms?

DrDork
Dec 29, 2003
commanding officer of the Army of Dorkness

Shibawanko posted:

Anyone have any tips on creating new rubbers for an old laptop?

Honestly, eBay. You can usually find some generic pads for reasonably cheap on there or possibly Amazon, but I've never heard of anyone manufacturing their own.

Worf
Sep 12, 2017

If only Seth would love me like I love him!

I swear somebody ITT was cutting their own off of some roll of the poo poo awhile back, but yeah, Ebay it.

AgentCow007
May 20, 2004
TITLE TEXT
I got a big rear end assortment pack on Amazon and I use them all the time. $10 well spent

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B075F1HW3S/

DrDork
Dec 29, 2003
commanding officer of the Army of Dorkness
Dell's updated XPS 15 lineup is live: https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/laptops/new-15/spd/xps-15-7590-laptop

For $1150 you get a 9300H/8GB/256GB/Gtx 1650 with the 97wh battery, which seems like a pretty decent deal for what it is.

An extra $400 gets you...a 9750H, which unless I'm missing some other upgrade in there seems like a hilarious waste.

$1950 gets you a 9750H/16GB/512GB and the OLED screen, which is honestly less than I expected that was going to cost.

Now I really want to see what Lenovo is gonna price the X1 E at.

space marine todd
Nov 7, 2014



DrDork posted:

Dell's updated XPS 15 lineup is live: https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/laptops/new-15/spd/xps-15-7590-laptop

For $1150 you get a 9300H/8GB/256GB/Gtx 1650 with the 97wh battery, which seems like a pretty decent deal for what it is.

An extra $400 gets you...a 9750H, which unless I'm missing some other upgrade in there seems like a hilarious waste.

$1950 gets you a 9750H/16GB/512GB and the OLED screen, which is honestly less than I expected that was going to cost.

Now I really want to see what Lenovo is gonna price the X1 E at.

What was the final verdict on the 1650 vs 1050? All I want is something to play Destiny 2 on.

Sheep
Jul 24, 2003

DrDork posted:

Dell's updated XPS 15 lineup is live: https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/laptops/new-15/spd/xps-15-7590-laptop

For $1150 you get a 9300H/8GB/256GB/Gtx 1650 with the 97wh battery, which seems like a pretty decent deal for what it is.

An extra $400 gets you...a 9750H, which unless I'm missing some other upgrade in there seems like a hilarious waste.

$1950 gets you a 9750H/16GB/512GB and the OLED screen, which is honestly less than I expected that was going to cost.

Now I really want to see what Lenovo is gonna price the X1 E at.

Unless I'm mistaken the $1150 option is actually Intel UHD graphics; the 1650 is a $250 upgrade.



Any word if the RAM is soldered on? If so the only option for 16GB is the $1500 version.

Sheep fucked around with this message at 22:14 on Jun 27, 2019

sugar free jazz
Mar 5, 2008

DrDork posted:

Dell's updated XPS 15 lineup is live: https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/laptops/new-15/spd/xps-15-7590-laptop

For $1150 you get a 9300H/8GB/256GB/Gtx 1650 with the 97wh battery, which seems like a pretty decent deal for what it is.

An extra $400 gets you...a 9750H, which unless I'm missing some other upgrade in there seems like a hilarious waste.

$1950 gets you a 9750H/16GB/512GB and the OLED screen, which is honestly less than I expected that was going to cost.

Now I really want to see what Lenovo is gonna price the X1 E at.


Why is the 9750H a waste?

Is there a consensus on OLED screens?

DrDork
Dec 29, 2003
commanding officer of the Army of Dorkness

space marine todd posted:

What was the final verdict on the 1650 vs 1050? All I want is something to play Destiny 2 on.

It is expected to perform slightly below the 1060 (though I forget if it's the 3GB or 6GB version that was being compared). Either way it'll do Destiny 2 pretty well--I was able to play it on medium on a 1050 with ~60FPS on an earlier XPS 15.

Sheep posted:

Unless I'm mistaken the $1150 option is actually Intel UHD graphics; the 1650 is a $250 upgrade.



Any word if the RAM is soldered on? If so the only option for 16GB is the $1500 version.

That would certainly make more sense, but when I saw it it was a free upgrade. Now it won't let you select it at all, so clearly they're having a few launch day issues.

Haven't seen 100% confirmation on the RAM yet, but in that they bother to list the 2x8 or 2x4 configuration, I'd bet it's not soldered.

sugar free jazz posted:

Why is the 9750H a waste?

Is there a consensus on OLED screens?

The 9750H isn't really a waste by itself, but when it was showing up as a $400 upgrade against the 9300H, it would have been a hideously bad value. If it's supposed to be a $100 upgrade (after accounting for the included 1650 and 97wh battery vs the base model) that would make it a much more reasonable price.

OLEDs are amazing for blacks and contrast ratio. Brightness is actually a bit less than what the LED 4k can do. Power consumption is a wildcard. No data on whether these ones will avoid the burn in issues of older gen OLED screens.

Atomizer
Jun 24, 2007



DrDork posted:

Dell's updated XPS 15 lineup is live: https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/laptops/new-15/spd/xps-15-7590-laptop

For $1150 you get a 9300H/8GB/256GB/Gtx 1650 with the 97wh battery, which seems like a pretty decent deal for what it is.

That seems overpriced compared to recent gaming laptops. I mean the components are fine, but >$1k for only a 1650 and 8 GB of RAM? Remember the Helios 300 has been cheaper than that for a 1060 6 GB and 16 GB of RAM, plus a comparable CPU and 144 Hz display.

space marine todd posted:

What was the final verdict on the 1650 vs 1050? All I want is something to play Destiny 2 on.

They should be able to run it around 60 FPS with moderate graphical options. You'd be looking at a system in the $500-700 range with the 1050 Ti.

AgentCow007
May 20, 2004
TITLE TEXT

Atomizer posted:

That seems overpriced compared to recent gaming laptops. I mean the components are fine, but >$1k for only a 1650 and 8 GB of RAM? Remember the Helios 300 has been cheaper than that for a 1060 6 GB and 16 GB of RAM, plus a comparable CPU and 144 Hz display.

They aren't gaming laptops; you are mostly paying for build quality, battery life, and the self-respecting adult aesthetic.

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

sugar free jazz posted:


Is there a consensus on OLED screens?

OLED screens on laptops are super rare so there's no real consensus yet. I definitely want to try one after having OLED screens on my phones since 2011 or so

DrDork
Dec 29, 2003
commanding officer of the Army of Dorkness

Atomizer posted:

That seems overpriced compared to recent gaming laptops. I mean the components are fine, but >$1k for only a 1650 and 8 GB of RAM? Remember the Helios 300 has been cheaper than that for a 1060 6 GB and 16 GB of RAM, plus a comparable CPU and 144 Hz display.

I mean, you can make the same argument saying that a Chevy Impala is a better deal that a BMW 3-series because both make about 300hp: if you just look at pure specs you'd be right, but if you're buying the BMW, you're buying it for a lot of things that aren't reflected in terms of quarter mile speeds.

The XPS lineup is one of the best laptops you can get in terms of striking a balance between build quality, features, weight, battery life, and cost, but it's never going to compete with a stripped down model like the Helios--nor is it trying to.

For fun reference, the X1 E will likely start north of $1500, and looks to only have the 1650 Max Q, yet it'll sell well because it'll be durable as hell and have one of the best keyboards in a laptop today.

Sheep
Jul 24, 2003

AgentCow007 posted:

They aren't gaming laptops; you are mostly paying for build quality, battery life, and the self-respecting adult aesthetic.

Not having a multicolored keyboard and LED exhaust ports is easily worth a $100 markup to me.

Fauxtool
Oct 21, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Sheep posted:

Not having a multicolored keyboard and LED exhaust ports is easily worth a $100 markup to me.

same but opposite, ill pay more for clown laptops

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.


The XPS 15 is so drat close to being perfect. I'm just worried about thermals since the chassis isn't changed. I also wish it was a little more tolerant on USB-C power. I know my XPS 15 9550 starts wigging out with a 60w power source, throttling the CPU down to 100mhz and causing it to grind to a halt.

Shrimp or Shrimps
Feb 14, 2012


Sheep posted:

Not having a multicolored keyboard and LED exhaust ports is easily worth a $100 markup to me.

I mean, you can just set keyboard backlighting to be all 1 color. You can also turn off LED strips (usually).

But, yes, the XPS definitely has a more office-friendly look than an MLG420 laptop.

I've always assumed part of the Dell Markup (TM) came from them offering on-site tech support, their support/warranty infrastructure, as well as just prestige around the XPS line.

Build quality is great on the outside, but the last few generations of XPS15's have throttled horribly without user intervention so they aren't without their issues.

Shrimp or Shrimps fucked around with this message at 04:29 on Jun 28, 2019

AgentCow007
May 20, 2004
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Fauxtool posted:

same but opposite, ill pay more for clown laptops

Yes and please put a big sign on the front that says "PREDATOR" because everyone will associate me with badass aliens and definitely not child enthusiasts

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DrDork
Dec 29, 2003
commanding officer of the Army of Dorkness

bull3964 posted:

The XPS 15 is so drat close to being perfect. I'm just worried about thermals since the chassis isn't changed. I also wish it was a little more tolerant on USB-C power. I know my XPS 15 9550 starts wigging out with a 60w power source, throttling the CPU down to 100mhz and causing it to grind to a halt.

Same, so I'm certainly not plunking my cash down before an actual review comes out.

As for USB-C, have you tried adjusting the On Battery power settings to match the Plugged In ones? That might help keep it from thrashing around. You can also get 90W chargers for $40 these days, so I might just do that and see if that makes it happier.

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