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| Joe Biden, the Inappropriate Toucher |
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18 | 1.46% |
| Bernie Sanders, the Hand Flailer |
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665 | 54.11% |
| Elizabeth Warren, the Plan Maker |
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319 | 25.96% |
| Kamala Harris, the Cop Lord |
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26 | 2.12% |
| Cory Booker, the Super Hero Wannabe |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Julian Castro, the Twin |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Kirsten Gillibrand, the Franken Killer |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Pete Buttigieg, the Troop Sociopath |
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17 | 1.38% |
| Robert Francis O'Rourke, the Fake Latino |
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3 | 0.24% |
| Jay Inslee, the Climate Alarmist |
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8 | 0.65% |
| Marianne Williamson, the Crystal Queen |
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86 | 7.00% |
| Tulsi Gabbard, the Muslim Hater |
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23 | 1.87% |
| Andrew Yang, the $1000 Fool |
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32 | 2.60% |
| Eric Swalwell, the Insurance Wife Guy |
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2 | 0.16% |
| Amy Klobuchar, the Comb Enthusiast |
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1 | 0.08% |
| Bill de Blasio, the NYPD Most Hated |
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4 | 0.33% |
| Tim Ryan, the Dope Face |
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3 | 0.24% |
| John Hickenlooper, the Also Ran |
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7 | 0.57% |
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YMB posted:Not the ones that the most frequently disenfranchised Americans tend to work at. Edit nope varies state to state jfc
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Jun 28, 2019 18:13
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Jun 28, 2019 18:13
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I think my vote is changing from yang to williamson tbh
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Jun 28, 2019 18:13
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LionArcher posted:Also, yang is wherever, but can somebody who actually is in this for the long haul please throw in UBi? Because that would sure be awesome to get ahead of. Yang's UBI would be a step backward. Due to the way it's calculated it is functionally a cut in social services, not an increase.
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Jun 28, 2019 18:14
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Halloween Jack posted:If people start Photoshopping Williamson with a lightsaber, I will be 100% on board and extremely obnoxious about it. the only moral humanitarian intervention is one undertaken entirely by actual carebears 
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Jun 28, 2019 18:14
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You know what else is closed on federal holidays? schools. Making election day a holiday would be great for college students and high school students old enough to vote
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Jun 28, 2019 18:15
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Tibalt posted:Wouldn't a hourly employee get time and a half on a federal holiday though? No. There's no law that says that employers have to pay extra to employees who work on federal holidays or have to pay employees who don't work on federal holidays
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Jun 28, 2019 18:16
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yang's UBI would be a step backward. Due to the way it's calculated it is functionally a cut in social services, not an increase. Not his UBI, a generally UBI. I haven’t heard anyone else pitching one (if Bernie or Warren has, great).
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Jun 28, 2019 18:16
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LionArcher posted:So it basically comes down to my fear that I think Harris is more electable, anytime you find yourself using this a justification you should stop and start over
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Jun 28, 2019 18:17
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LionArcher posted:Not his UBI, a generally UBI. I haven’t heard anyone else pitching one (if Bernie or Warren has, great). I think we're at least a generation away from a serious talk about UBI. We still struggle with stuff as simple as "corporations bad" and a lot of millennials remain bought-in on the idea of honest pay for a hard day's work.
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Jun 28, 2019 18:17
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Democrazy posted:I don’t know if these takes a serious, but they definitely have a “Trump is actually leftist if you think about it” vibe Mine is a serious take. She's not like, better than Warren or Bernie, but if she continues saying similar stuff she's definitely better than any of the centrists.
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Jun 28, 2019 18:22
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Skippy McPants posted:I think we're at least a generation away from a serious talk about UBI. We still struggle with stuff as simple as "corporations bad" and a lot of millennials remain bought-in on the idea of honest pay for a hard day's work. I don't know that we have a choice. There aren't enough "good" jobs for everyone in even the Millennial generation to have one, and I think it's starting to become really obvious. Without allowing buy-in to the poo poo system, there aren't going to be many people who will put up much of a fight to support it. It hurts the lovely old rich too, because nobody's buying their disused dream mansion 2s and 3s, and they aren't recouping their investments on them (which is a mortal sin, as I'm sure you're aware).
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Jun 28, 2019 18:25
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unwantedplatypus posted:Mine is a serious take. She's not like, better than Warren or Bernie, but if she continues saying similar stuff she's definitely better than any of the centrists. I don't know what the body count is for anti-vax poo poo becoming mainstream enough for measles and mumps to come back, but it's pretty high.
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Jun 28, 2019 18:25
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LionArcher posted:So I’ve been in the past threads as not loving Bernie. I’ll start by stating I was wrong about the book thing, and for that I apologize. I read a couple of hot takes on twitter and didn’t do research before bringing it here. Somebody asked me why I don’t like him, and last night I think it was covered perfectly. His policy’s are all things I generally agree with (minus that judge flub). But his delivery method bugs me. He yells too much, and just seems too old. Contrast that with Warren, who I like a great deal. Buddy, you're not supposed to outright admit that you go for style over substance. Also, how exactly do you know who's "electable" and who's not?
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Jun 28, 2019 18:26
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unwantedplatypus posted:Mine is a serious take. She's not like, better than Warren or Bernie, but if she continues saying similar stuff she's definitely better than any of the centrists. She's a self help writer who dismissed plans as superficial and spent her entire time talking in vague but important sounding platitudes. She tempered her nominal but non-specific support for reparations by saying the average american isn't racist, just undereducated. She also focused on it as reparations for slavery and not, I dunno, reparations for the poo poo that has continued well into the modern day.
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Jun 28, 2019 18:28
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Hillary was the avatar of "electability politics" in 2016, and the result was the Democrats airballing a layup. So uh gently caress that poo poo coming and going basically. Make poo poo better and people will want to vote for you.
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Jun 28, 2019 18:29
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TGLT posted:She's a self help writer who dismissed plans as superficial and spent her entire time talking in vague but important sounding platitudes. She tempered her nominal but non-specific support for reparations by saying the average american isn't racist, just undereducated. Yeah its pretty incredible that she's still better than the 20 centrists.
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Jun 28, 2019 18:31
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I don't agree with a lot of Williamson's policies, but I'm supporting her because she's the most electable candidate
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Jun 28, 2019 18:32
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Gripweed posted:I don't agree with a lot of Williamson's policies, but I'm supporting her because she's the most electable candidate
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Jun 28, 2019 18:33
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I have to admit I'd be really intrigued what a Williamson presidency would look like
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Jun 28, 2019 18:34
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Jun 28, 2019 18:34
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I can't help but be very frustrated watching Bernie over the past few months. His ideas and plans are so good and yet he refuses to ever deviate in the messaging. Let's not ever engage in anyone's personal identity and instead focus on everyone but lets also not talk about togetherness, just the end result of an upheaval. Is it really that difficult for him to have said last night, "Yes, their taxes will go up. They will also save money and never have to worry about what happens to their partner's treatment if they lose their jobs." These fixes are soooooo easy fmpov and I get so very frustrated that he lives in his stump instead of talking at a micro level ever. I see these things and think that anyone who doesn't already actually know what he stands for isn't going to come around on his ideas. He isn't tackling the boogeymen our society has turned Policies That Help Poor People into, he is just repeating ad nauseam what we need. e: oh and god drat it am I pissed off about the pre-debate. Those ghouls talked about everyone but Bernie and kept implying that Bernie couldn't fight Trump. Like, are you kidding? Angry old man only knows the warrior's way. Diqnol fucked around with this message at 18:38 on Jun 28, 2019 |
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Jun 28, 2019 18:34
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The DNC is clearly trying to rig the primary for Williamson, I hope she doesn't steal it from Bernie.
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Jun 28, 2019 18:34
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Well of course she's the most electable, you can't refuse the orders of a psychic.Trabisnikof posted:Yeah its pretty incredible that she's still better than the 20 centrists. Legit, I would actually at least consider Biden before Williamson because at least he's not anti-vax. She becomes president and she will fall prey to every dumb poo poo and well entrenched grifter that rolls up to the white house.
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Jun 28, 2019 18:36
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TGLT posted:Well of course she's the most electable, you can't refuse the orders of a psychic. biden's racist as gently caress. imo that's worse than anti-vaxx, but you do you edit: also  at the idea that the sundowning mumbling racist wouldn't fall prey to every grifter he encounters. old people who aren't all there are notoriously difficult to scam right?
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Jun 28, 2019 18:37
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Condiv posted:biden's racist as gently caress. imo that's worse than anti-vaxx, but you do you I can excuse racism, but scientific illiteracy !
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Jun 28, 2019 18:38
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TGLT posted:Well of course she's the most electable, you can't refuse the orders of a psychic. Well Williamson isn't anti-vax: quote:I understand that many vaccines are important and save lives. I recognize there are epidemics around the world that are stopped by vaccines. I also understand some of the skepticism that abounds today about drugs which are rushed to market by Big Pharma. I am sorry that I made comments which sounded as though I question the validity of life-saving vaccines. That is not my feeling and I realize that I misspoke. But yeah I'd vote for Williamson and probably never vote for Biden. At least Williamson isn't pro-segregation.
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Jun 28, 2019 18:39
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God drat Biden did so much worse than we thought he would.
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Jun 28, 2019 18:39
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ELO Musk posted:I can't help but be very frustrated watching Bernie over the past few months. His ideas and plans are so good and yet he refuses to ever deviate in the messaging. Let's not ever engage in anyone's personal identity and instead focus on everyone but lets also not talk about togetherness, just the end result of an upheaval. Is it really that difficult for him to have said last night, "Yes, their taxes will go up. They will also save money and never have to worry about what happens to their partner's treatment if they lose their jobs." It's unfortunate, but explaining your position will almost assuredly result in you losing immediately. The debates aren't to discuss policy with context and nuance, they're to generate buzz. The buzz gets the network ad revenue, and they put on more debates which lets people sample the various flavor of political candidate on offer, which in turn lets the popular ones get more money from more sources. Like, I agree with you, it'd be nice if he said that succinctly, but people would only hear to "yes, their taxes will go up." and that's it. If the country weren't already full of people without critical thinking of any kind, the media portrayal would be enough to effectively make them seem that way anyway. What I want to hear is someone put forth a plan to secure the independence and reliability of the 4th estate so that it isn't so drat poo poo. If we had a functioning method of speaking truth to power instead of the clickbaity nothing we have now, we'd have a lot more success in pushing toward society-positive goals.
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Jun 28, 2019 18:39
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Condiv posted:biden's racist as gently caress. imo that's worse than anti-vaxx, but you do you That wasn't a defense of Biden, and anti-vax poo poo is going to get people killed. She does not strike me at all as some one who has a meaningful capacity for discerning good ideas from bad ones, and the idea she is going to do any better than default centrist when going up against well entrenched interests is laughable. I do not think she would do any better than Biden or Tim Ryan or the rest of those fucks. Trabisnikof posted:Well Williamson isn't anti-vax: She called vaccine mandates Orwellian and draconian. She can play clean up after all she wants, doesn't change that.
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Jun 28, 2019 18:40
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TGLT posted:Well of course she's the most electable, you can't refuse the orders of a psychic. you have no morals or spine, you're a vote blue no matter who kinda voter
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Jun 28, 2019 18:41
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Did yall not hear when Bernie said: GUTHRIE: Senator Sanders I will give you 10 seconds just to ask the—answer the very direct question will you raise taxes for the middle class in a Sanders administration? SANDERS: People who have healthcare under Medicare for all will have no premiums, no deductibles, no copayments, no out of expe—out-of-pocket expenses. Yes, they will pay more in taxes but less in healthcare for what they get. (APPLAUSE)
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Jun 28, 2019 18:41
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Trabisnikof posted:Did yall not hear when Bernie said: It was a meandering way that I felt diminished the final message
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Jun 28, 2019 18:43
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TGLT posted:That wasn't a defense of Biden, and anti-vax poo poo is going to get people killed. She does not strike me at all as some one who has a meaningful capacity for discerning good ideas from bad ones, and the idea she is going to do any better than default centrist when going up against well entrenched interests is laughable. I do not think she would do any better than Biden or Tim Ryan or the rest of those fucks. racism gets people killed on the regular. also, anti-vaxx bs is way more likely to be fought against by people in the government than racism considering institutional racism is still a thing that permeates our government but anti-vaxx mentalities are not. finally, biden seems less able to discern good ideas from bad ones considering he painted a giant loving target on his back the past few weeks by fondly reminiscing about his racist republican buddies and how he wishes he could go back to those days and also how he never made a mistake in his career (*cough* anti-bussing *cough*) i can understand saying you'd never vote for williamson. imo she's an amusing joke candidate. but saying you'd vote for biden over her is really questionable imo
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Jun 28, 2019 18:47
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theblackw0lf posted:I have to admit I'd be really intrigued what a Williamson presidency would look like she forces the joint chiefs to look one another in the eyes and say, “I love and respect you” before allowing them to launch drone strikes QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at 18:52 on Jun 28, 2019 |
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Jun 28, 2019 18:50
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Bernie's messaging was imperfect. Stop defending it.
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Jun 28, 2019 18:51
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Condiv posted:racism gets people killed on the regular. also, anti-vaxx bs is way more likely to be fought against by people in the government than racism considering institutional racism is still a thing that permeates our government but anti-vaxx mentalities are not. Snake oil people are loving loathsome. Yeah the Biden comment was probably too far because he's easily the worst of the actual candidates running, but I can't stand that predatory self help poo poo.
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Jun 28, 2019 18:52
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Cerebral Bore posted:Buddy, you're not supposed to outright admit that you go for style over substance. It’s 2019. What We should or should not supposed to do is dead as gently caress. I’m not personally going for style over substance. I’m saying I’m going for that if it’s what I think will win in the general. And I don’t know who’s electable or not. But neither does anyone else in this thread.
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Hmm yes, let’s think about the theoretical deaths someone who personally doesn’t like Vaccines will cause, rather than the not at all theoretical deaths from any of the hawkish fucks currently jockeying for president. Of course, most people in this thread will never have to worry about the latter. edit: at the end of the day she's not taking vaccines away from anyone, most likely, so worst case scenario is the status quo probably unwantedplatypus fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Jun 28, 2019 |
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