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ulmont posted:I did night school in Atlanta - ABA accredited - and made it into big law. Several of the firms pick one or two per year from the top 20 or so.   “Golden Gate University School of Law in San Francisco is ‘significantly out of compliance’ with an accreditation standard requiring that schools admit candidates who appear capable of finishing law school and passing a bar exam.” So, yeah, probably not so much a respected night program. E: also the census ruling is “what if Whren but for admin law.” Kalman fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Jun 28, 2019 |
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Kawasaki Nun posted:Oh Phil baby no what are you doing? What is you doin
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I would totally smoke weed with Marianne Williamson.
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Roger_Mudd posted:The good news is that the GOP is destroying stare decisis to gut Roe v. Wade/Casey v. Planned Parenthood so there's nothing stopping the next court from disagreeing. What next court is that tho?
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Kawasaki Nun posted:Oh Phil baby no what are you doing? Legal triage, maybe? Coming from someone firmly on the sidelines the reaction is at least understandable. Lawyers do - in my opinion - have a tendency to examine a problem from a legal/justice system/general systemic perspective first, and letting that colour their opinion of the overall matter. I'm guilty of this constantly, most obvious example is when people (inevitably) ask me why we don't have the death penalty. My answer is usually comprehensive and founded in human rights laws and such, but that's never what they are really asking about and that's not an answer they want. I've previously opined on what can truly be effective in making things better for folks in the US and I keep coming down to the same thing that created strong socialist policies in western europe, an actual labour movement and the threat of a general strike. Every single one of the issues near and dear to the republican right wing and the neofascist fucks right of them is worth locking down society until they loving get with the basic program. Your left wing is hella disenfranchised and that's really not healthy for a society, and I think your supreme court is pretty great example of this. Since I'm an ideas guy here, what if you - and hear me out now - packed the court.
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In my dreams the next democratic president packs the court and when McConnell refuses to confirm any of them the FBI arrests him and frog marches him through the capitol
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I'm gonna say labelling one as worse than the other is very dangerous and lovely ground to tread, since they both amount to "they don't see [women/children] as people". Both suck, you don't have to label one as worse than the other. Are child concentration camps awful? Without a doubt. But if you think the abortion legislation isn't absolutely another facet of the same mindset, and isn't equally as dangerous, you're just wrong. The woman charged with manslaughter in Alabama is absolutely another side of the abortion banning, women hating perspective, and unfortunately not even close to rock bottom.
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Phil Moscowitz posted:In my dreams the next democratic president packs the court and when McConnell refuses to confirm any of them the FBI arrests him and frog marches him through the capitol Exactly.
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Whitlam posted:I'm gonna say labelling one as worse than the other is very dangerous and lovely ground to tread, since they both amount to "they don't see [women/children] as people". Both suck, you don't have to label one as worse than the other. Are child concentration camps awful? Without a doubt. But if you think the abortion legislation isn't absolutely another facet of the same mindset, and isn't equally as dangerous, you're just wrong. The woman charged with manslaughter in Alabama is absolutely another side of the abortion banning, women hating perspective, and unfortunately not even close to rock bottom. I’m not saying one is worse than the other and I agree they are part of the same problem. But abortion is still legal and even if the Supreme Court actually does what everyone has been screaming they are about to do for the last twenty years, it can be reversed. Meanwhile we are tiptoeing up to the edge of fascism, cops are brutalizing minorities on a daily basis, and we are a decade away from irreversible environmental collapse and global strife.
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Whitlam posted:I'm gonna say labelling one as worse than the other is very dangerous and lovely ground to tread, since they both amount to "they don't see [women/children] as people". Both suck, you don't have to label one as worse than the other. Are child concentration camps awful? Without a doubt. But if you think the abortion legislation isn't absolutely another facet of the same mindset, and isn't equally as dangerous, you're just wrong. The woman charged with manslaughter in Alabama is absolutely another side of the abortion banning, women hating perspective, and unfortunately not even close to rock bottom. Well, what's being said then? Is the problem one of holding the opinion that child concentration camps are objectively worse from an aggregate of harm perspective? Or is it holding the opinion that child concentration camps are a more slippery slope toward [badness] and resources must be devoted to fighting that at the expense of fighting for women's rights to bodily autonomy? Because the latter argument is ludicrous, but the former can be argued so long as the conclusion stops at "this is loving horrifying and must stop immedately".
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Phil Moscowitz posted:I’m not saying one is worse than the other and I agree they are part of the same problem. But abortion is still legal and even if the Supreme Court actually does what everyone has been screaming they are about to do for the last twenty years, it can be reversed. It's legal only in the loosest, most technical sense. Six states have one clinic, Missouri is about to have none. Many of the state's that have it have very strict time limits on accessibility, and a bunch more have even more heinous rules about ultrasounds and detailed descriptions being mandatory. Some states even have laws about rapists being allowed to seek parental rights. I mean I'm sure you're aware of all of this but my point is that if it's legal but doesn't have any providers, or has rules designed to disenfranchise and prohibit, then pragmatically speaking, it isn't. I agree entirely with the second paragraph entirely, but all of the above should absolutely be considered edge of fascism, legal system brutalising minority stuff too. E: Nice piece of fish posted:Well, what's being said then? Is the problem one of holding the opinion that child concentration camps are objectively worse from an aggregate of harm perspective? Or is it holding the opinion that child concentration camps are a more slippery slope toward [badness] and resources must be devoted to fighting that at the expense of fighting for women's rights to bodily autonomy? Because the latter argument is ludicrous, but the former can be argued so long as the conclusion stops at "this is loving horrifying and must stop immedately". It's the former. I don't really want to turn this into a "which is worse" argument, but I would also say wrt policies and laws being changed, the enforcement of children in cages is (relatively speaking) fairly new, and far more easily changed than Supreme Court bullshit because of how insanely stacked it is. Although again, since the conclusion is "all of these things are awful we should really stop doing them", I think it's divisive and counter productive to start trying to split hairs about which is worse. Whitlam fucked around with this message at 14:00 on Jun 28, 2019 |
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Pro-lifers are the dog who caught the car. Abortion rights and pro-choice viewpoints are vastly more prevalent than pro-life views. Long-term it will wind up hurting them.
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Whitlam posted:It's the former. I don't really want to turn this into a "which is worse" argument, but I would also say wrt policies and laws being changed, the enforcement of children in cages is (relatively speaking) fairly new, and far more easily changed than Supreme Court bullshit because of how insanely stacked it is. Although again, since the conclusion is "all of these things are awful we should really stop doing them", I think it's divisive and counter productive to start trying to split hairs about which is worse. Sure. That's really the point anyway. Pook Good Mook posted:Pro-lifers are the dog who caught the car. Abortion rights and pro-choice viewpoints are vastly more prevalent than pro-life views. Long-term it will wind up hurting them. If it's any consolation, right wingers in coalition with the christian conservatives in Norway have for the first time in decades conspired to tighten abortion laws. Specifically the right to abort one or more of several fetuses in multiple-fetus pregnancies, which used to be unequivocal but now requires an extra conversation with a board of doctors. Not exactly a huge victory for the christians, but it has loving enraged the left and women voting. The conservatives are looking to get utterly loving crushed this local election year. It's just a huge self-own to attack women's rights, every time. Here's hoping it makes a difference for you as well.
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Nice piece of fish posted:Sure. That's really the point anyway. If only our democracy were actually representative, it would. Unfortunately...
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Phil Moscowitz posted:If only our democracy were actually representative, it would. Unfortunately... If our democracy were representative, Oprah would be president and Obamacare would be abolished in favor of direct supplies of essential oils for all of your healthcare needs. Dr. Phil and Dr. Oz would be advising on appropriate use for mental health care and topical application for broken bones. People are loving stupid.
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Phil Moscowitz posted:I’m not saying one is worse than the other and I agree they are part of the same problem. But abortion is still legal and even if the Supreme Court actually does what everyone has been screaming they are about to do for the last twenty years, it can be reversed. the big issue is that as a guy it's easy to treat abortion or other women's rights issues as parochial interests because they're not your interests and uh women can get pretty ticked off by that; things that affect men being human rights issues and things that affect women being women's rights issues
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joat mon posted:By the time Barron Trump is elected as My understanding is that Jared needs someone to remind him to close his mouth when it rains so he doesn't drown. It will be Stephen Miller as the grey eminence, I suspect.
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evilweasel posted:the big issue is that as a guy it's easy to treat abortion or other women's rights issues as parochial interests because they're not your interests and uh women can get pretty ticked off by that; things that affect men being human rights issues and things that affect women being women's rights issues Phil Moscowitz posted:There is way more important poo poo happening than abortion. I am 100% pro choice, but we are literally putting kids in concentration camps... This is literally making a value judgment about which is worse, and actively dismissing abortion as an important issue. Which is fine, anyone is entitled to judge issues in order of importance, but that's what it is, and don't be offended if people, like, directly affected by these issues, disagree with your rankings (not accusing anyone ITT, using the general "your").
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Pook Good Mook posted:Pro-lifers are the dog who caught the car. Abortion rights and pro-choice viewpoints are vastly more prevalent than pro-life views. Long-term it will wind up hurting them. The prevalent view is that people want abortion legal, but they don't want to talk about it. Democrats are best served stating they're against overturning Roe, and then move on. Whichever side talks loudest about this issue is the one that's going to lose a public opinion poll. You're exactly right that long-term it will hurt Republicans if they keep bragging about pro-life judges and Justice Boofbeer. Republicans can never overturn Roe and totally ban abortion the same way Democrats can never ban guns. If they ever did, they'd be kicking a hornets' nest and get voted out in droves.
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Sure. As a man my opinion on abortion is irrelevant. It’s a woman’s body. And I acknowledge that needs and priorities are different for different people in different places at different times. Right now in the United States, reproductive rights and by extension women are under attack, more so than ever. Triage is not dismissing the issue. Addressing systemic oppression of men AND women by a militaristic police state, stopping the institutionalized torture/negligent homicide of children, and averting worldwide starvation, loss of habitat, and potential extinction are absolutely vital in my opinion. If your house is on fire you need to put the fire out before you start bandaging your burns. This isn’t saying the burns should be ignored—you could die from them too. If these issues (and the ongoing dismantling of our democracy in favor of consolidating wealth and power in the hands of a white, conservative minority) are not addressed, you can kiss abortion rights—and your rear end—goodbye. Permanently.
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SlyFrog posted:If our democracy were representative, Oprah would be president and Obamacare would be abolished in favor of direct supplies of essential oils for all of your healthcare needs. Dr. Phil and Dr. Oz would be advising on appropriate use for mental health care and topical application for broken bones. The older I get, the more I start to believe that Darth Vader was right
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blarzgh posted:The older I get, the more I start to believe that Darth Vader was right Rewatch the prequels and you'll change your mind.
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ulmont posted:Rewatch the prequels and you'll change your mind. If only he'd had the high ground.
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ulmont posted:Rewatch the prequels and you'll change your mind. Eh, he was like 10. He matured as a person, I'm sure. Went to law school or something in the interim.
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Phil Moscowitz posted:Triage is not dismissing the issue. Addressing systemic oppression of men AND women by a militaristic police state, stopping the institutionalized torture/negligent homicide of children, and averting worldwide starvation, loss of habitat, and potential extinction are absolutely vital in my opinion. If your house is on fire you need to put the fire out before you start bandaging your burns. This isn’t saying the burns should be ignored—you could die from them too. The thing is, if these things are your priorities keeping women, who are more likely to align with your goals than not, as free as possible has tactical value. If a portion of the population that could be working with you is instead poorer, sicker, more trapped in controlling situations, and (admittedly to a lesser extent) more dead, you are at a disadvantage. Which I would argue is the whole *point* of abortion and birth control restrictions, to some percentage of the people driving them.
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Children in concentration camps is institutionalized child abuse. We know that from studying Eastern European orphanages that children that grow up in those conditions are less intelligent, get behind on development both intellectually, socially and motorically (? Think walking / talking), develop mental illness/personality disorders which results in higher crime, more substance abuse, etc. etc. There is no argument in favor of them because it starts from the premise that we will inflict this upon children who are separated from their caregivers. The research also says that these effects are the worst on children aged 6 months to 24 months. This effect is permanent and correlated with time, so the damage is done I cannot stress how terrible this is for young children. This policy will be viewed worse than Japanese internment camps by future generations.
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blarzgh posted:The older I get, the more I start to believe that Darth Vader was right He was right about sand, I have to hand him that.
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Lote posted:Children in concentration camps is institutionalized child abuse. We know that from studying Eastern European orphanages that children that grow up in those conditions are less intelligent, get behind on development both intellectually, socially and motorically (? Think walking / talking), develop mental illness/personality disorders which results in higher crime, more substance abuse, etc. etc. There is no argument in favor of them because it starts from the premise that we will inflict this upon children who are separated from their caregivers. ain't nobody supporting the child concentration camps here, man
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Every thread I'm reading on SA is talking about these camps - the topic has even interrupted TFF's constant regional BBQ arguments. A tipping point, perhaps?
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Pinky Artichoke posted:The thing is, if these things are your priorities keeping women, who are more likely to align with your goals than not, as free as possible has tactical value. If a portion of the population that could be working with you is instead poorer, sicker, more trapped in controlling situations, and (admittedly to a lesser extent) more dead, you are at a disadvantage. Which I would argue is the whole *point* of abortion and birth control restrictions, to some percentage of the people driving them. This is a good point. We need all the support we can get. What a time to be alive.
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Lote posted:Children in concentration camps is institutionalized child abuse. We know that from studying Eastern European orphanages that children that grow up in those conditions are less intelligent, get behind on development both intellectually, socially and motorically (? Think walking / talking), develop mental illness/personality disorders which results in higher crime, more substance abuse, etc. etc. There is no argument in favor of them because it starts from the premise that we will inflict this upon children who are separated from their caregivers. You say this like you expect Republicans to think these are bad things. 
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Lote posted:I cannot stress how terrible this is for young children. This policy will be viewed worse than Japanese internment camps by future generations. Not if we simply make the earth uninhabitable for future generations *taps forehead*
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Phil Moscowitz posted:There is way more important poo poo happening than abortion. I am 100% pro choice, but we are literally putting kids in concentration camps and the president wants to start a war because of his tiny penis Not reading any post past this I just want to say I love you Phil agree 100%. I'll come work for you if you can promise 200k/year. Edit: I read farther: you are out of your goddamn minds if you think concentration camps are not worse than abortion legislation. loving concentration camps are a genocide in progress. Forced birth and anti-choice activists are starting a different kind of trauma-cum-genocide, but the people in the camps are a step away from mass deaths due to neglect. Is forced birth worse? They're both abhorrent, but from a moral utilitarian standpoint you gotta stop the deaths of tens of thousands. (Ideally we'd handle both simultaneously.) Hot Dog Day #91 fucked around with this message at 01:51 on Jun 29, 2019 |
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:I'll come work for you if you can promise 200k/year. Yeah, but Napoleonic Code.
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I want to encourage y'all to think of the issue from an intersectional standpoint and identify loci of change that address common root political causes, accessible respective to your relative life positions. In other words, both are terrible, deciding which is worse isn't very useful unless there's actually a triage decision you personally need to make, identify what you can do where you are and do it. SlyFrog posted:If our democracy were representative, Oprah would be president and Obamacare would be abolished in favor of direct supplies of essential oils for all of your healthcare needs. Dr. Phil and Dr. Oz would be advising on appropriate use for mental health care and topical application for broken bones. Please put a trigger warning next time, jesus Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 03:01 on Jun 29, 2019 |
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Had a deposition of an inmate today. The area provided by the jail for the deposition was right next to the evidence room/arsenal. In the middle of the deposition, two officers brought through about 2-5 lbs of the strongest smelling pot ever. Pretty sure I’m still stoned just from the smell. That’s my story, thanks for listening.
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joat mon posted:By the time Barron Trump is elected as I hope by then I will be swimming in my tank of the spice melange, using my precognitive powers to avoid reversible error.
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