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| Joe Biden, the Inappropriate Toucher |
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18 | 1.46% |
| Bernie Sanders, the Hand Flailer |
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665 | 54.11% |
| Elizabeth Warren, the Plan Maker |
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319 | 25.96% |
| Kamala Harris, the Cop Lord |
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26 | 2.12% |
| Cory Booker, the Super Hero Wannabe |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Julian Castro, the Twin |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Kirsten Gillibrand, the Franken Killer |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Pete Buttigieg, the Troop Sociopath |
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17 | 1.38% |
| Robert Francis O'Rourke, the Fake Latino |
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3 | 0.24% |
| Jay Inslee, the Climate Alarmist |
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8 | 0.65% |
| Marianne Williamson, the Crystal Queen |
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86 | 7.00% |
| Tulsi Gabbard, the Muslim Hater |
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23 | 1.87% |
| Andrew Yang, the $1000 Fool |
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32 | 2.60% |
| Eric Swalwell, the Insurance Wife Guy |
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2 | 0.16% |
| Amy Klobuchar, the Comb Enthusiast |
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1 | 0.08% |
| Bill de Blasio, the NYPD Most Hated |
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4 | 0.33% |
| Tim Ryan, the Dope Face |
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3 | 0.24% |
| John Hickenlooper, the Also Ran |
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7 | 0.57% |
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ELO Musk posted:It was a meandering way that I felt diminished the final message Please explain how to do it better in a garbage clown car debate when prompted with a setup for sound bite attack fodder. You have 10 seconds. Bernie could have done better overall, absolutely, but a debate format like this run by msnbc flunkies is a farce.
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Jun 28, 2019 18:56
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TGLT posted:Snake oil people are loving loathsome. Yeah the Biden comment was probably too far because he's easily the worst of the actual candidates running, but I can't stand that predatory self help poo poo. racist segregationists are even more loathsome. i'd rather deal with a snake-oil peddler than a kkk member
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Jun 28, 2019 18:58
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I still can't believe he stood on stage and said "My time is up." lmao
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Jun 28, 2019 18:58
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hobotrashcanfires posted:Please explain how to do it better in a garbage clown car debate when prompted with a setup for sound bite attack fodder. You have 10 seconds. If he talked about an american's bottom line going down but that technically yes taxes go up instead, I think it'd be a lot more persuasive. I'm no political analyst, though, just someone who believes in a message that has recently felt very stale and unable to adapt. Yes, it was a hostile and ridiculous venue. It still matters, though.
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Jun 28, 2019 18:59
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ELO Musk posted:If he talked about an american's bottom line going down but that technically yes taxes go up instead, I think it'd be a lot more persuasive. I'm no political analyst, though, just someone who believes in a message that has recently felt very stale and unable to adapt that's exactly what he said though
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Jun 28, 2019 19:00
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As someone who has played all of the MGS games: this quiz was hard.
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Jun 28, 2019 19:00
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The url seems too long for search (or something?), so apologies if anyone posted this already. It's by lanyard Ezra Klein on "why is Biden the way he is" and/but it's very good: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/6/26/18715650/joe-biden-2020-primary-democrat-senator-segregation
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Jun 28, 2019 19:02
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unwantedplatypus posted:Hmm yes, let’s think about the theoretical deaths someone who personally doesn’t like Vaccines will cause, rather than the not at all theoretical deaths from any of the hawkish fucks currently jockeying for president. In that debate she came across as an empty conwoman. If she has some actual longstanding support of anti-imperialism and some actual concrete proposals I'd love to hear them, but otherwise she seems like the same sort of empty suit but with love instead of bipartisanship. I'm trying to check into her 2014 run to figure out who exactly she has been before this presidential bid, but if you got some information do share. Condiv posted:racist segregationists are even more loathsome. i'd rather deal with a snake-oil peddler than a kkk member The problem is I don't think she will actually do anything to stop the former.
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Jun 28, 2019 19:03
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Trabisnikof posted:And none of these are really new ideas, so again if this is the lethal poison to Republicans, imagine how stupid Obama is to have not done it. Uh, yes? If Democrats had banned gerrymandering in sometime between Jan 2009 and November 2010, REDMAP wouldn't have been possible and they would have taken back the House in 2012
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Jun 28, 2019 19:04
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kidkissinger posted:that's exactly what he said though Technically yes but in a watered down way wherein he rattles off various costs of our current system. That doesn't resonate like "Yes, but they will pay less money overall and gain security for their families" to me. Do you or other posters here believe his messaging has been good? I think it's his biggest and glaring weakness because the ideas can win people over on their own. If he could sell them too? I'd be a happy man.
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Jun 28, 2019 19:05
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TGLT posted:In that debate she came across as an empty conwoman. If she has some actual longstanding support of anti-imperialism and some actual concrete proposals I'd love to hear them, but otherwise she seems like the same sort of empty suit but with love instead of bipartisanship. I'm trying to check into her 2014 run to figure out who exactly she has been before this presidential bid, but if you got some information do share. https://twitter.com/marwilliamson/status/1914380026 https://twitter.com/marwilliamson/status/1914418108 https://twitter.com/marwilliamson/status/1131038453989302273
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Jun 28, 2019 19:06
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The more I find out about Marianne Williamson, the more my reaction is "well, I can't argue with any of that." edit: I got 15 out of 20 2nd edit: I mean "I can't argue with it because it's gobbledegook" you nincompoops Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 19:11 on Jun 28, 2019 |
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Jun 28, 2019 19:08
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Jun 28, 2019 19:09
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Being as gullible as possible about a magic crystal anti-vax woo-woo scammer is the new woke lmao In this thread we went from "rooting for her ~ironically~ " to having uncritical stans for this idiot in the time it takes to have a long lunch haha
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Jun 28, 2019 19:10
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VitalSigns posted:Uh, yes? I know that it's going to shock you, but I totally agree, not making election reform and security a priority the second the Democrats retook control of the government was the biggest mistake they made. We'd already seen their cheating and underhanded bullshit fully displayed in 2000 (Florida) and 2004 (Ohio) where they flipped the result of the elections , I mean maybe they couldn't find a video of Kathrine Harris or Ken Blackwell changing votes in a data base but there was more than enough smoke to at least install some smoke alarms and sprinkler systems.
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Jun 28, 2019 19:10
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I’m genuinely laughing. This awesome and it shouldn’t be.
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Jun 28, 2019 19:11
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sean10mm posted:Being as gullible as possible about a magic crystal anti-vax woo-woo scammer is the new woke lmao Is that really surprising? The thread was already full of pie-in-the-sky socialists
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Jun 28, 2019 19:12
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sean10mm posted:Being as gullible as possible about a magic crystal anti-vax woo-woo scammer is the new woke lmao What did she say at the debate that was wrong? Here's the transcript if you need help: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/28/us/politics/transcript-debate.html
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Jun 28, 2019 19:13
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LionArcher posted:So I’ve been in the past threads as not loving Bernie. I’ll start by stating I was wrong about the book thing, and for that I apologize. I read a couple of hot takes on twitter and didn’t do research before bringing it here. Somebody asked me why I don’t like him, and last night I think it was covered perfectly. His policy’s are all things I generally agree with (minus that judge flub). But his delivery method bugs me. He yells too much, and just seems too old. Contrast that with Warren, who I like a great deal. Have you critically scrutinized your assumption that being high school debate club champion is synonymous with "electable"?
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Jun 28, 2019 19:14
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ELO Musk posted:If he talked about an american's bottom line going down but that technically yes taxes go up instead, I think it'd be a lot more persuasive. I'm no political analyst, though, just someone who believes in a message that has recently felt very stale and unable to adapt. It was impossible to adequately respond to anything unless the moderators let you run with it, and they were never going to let Bernie run with anything without constantly interrupting. He could have done better, but the problem was the format, which they did deliberately for reasons both of being able to shape the narrative as well as the ratings and sound bites chaos like that produces.
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Jun 28, 2019 19:14
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:The more I find out about Marianne Williamson, the more my reaction is "well, I can't argue with any of that." Gotta say after seeing the Republicans last couple cycles it’s rather refreshing that the most fringe “wacky” candidate on stage is actually pretty decent! Republican debates get Santorum with his fetus in a jar, Ron Paul eliciting a “let them die!” chant, and Hermancain being Hermancain. Williamson is just an old time hippie with mostly good positions surrounded by some magic crystal bullshit.
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Jun 28, 2019 19:14
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Yea Williamson is a bit kooky, but she's a lefty, hippie kind of kooky. Although she's actually way more intelligent than came off in the debates. As that interview she did with Chapo shows. Besides, I have quite a few extremely smart activist friends who are also into new-agey spiritualism. (Crystals, tarot cards, astral plane projection, etc..)
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Jun 28, 2019 19:15
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Buden's problem is less that he opposed busing in 1977 and more that he won't say he was wrong noew. If you're a Democratic senator from Delaware in 1977, of course you were going to oppose busing. It was remarkably unpopular, especially with the .middle class suburban whites who made up Biden's base. The thing is, when all this came out this year, if he had said something like, "Yes, I opposed busing in the late '70s. Even though I was never consciously racist and have always been against any form of racial discrimination, I, like so many other people, didn't realize at the time why busing was necessary to combat the kind of neighborhood and economic divisions that led to segregation in practice. I've come to realize over the years, though, that that was wrong, by listening to the stories of people who benefited from busing. You know, folks, that's the type of thing we need now. We spend so much time talking and so little time listening to each other, about what we need, how we feel, and how we can work together to make this country live up to the American Dream and reverse the damage that President Trump brought to this country." Or, I dunno, something like that. I mean, this thread would still hate him, but I think it would have stopped a lot of the bleeding.
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Jun 28, 2019 19:15
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sean10mm posted:Being as gullible as possible about a magic crystal anti-vax woo-woo scammer is the new woke lmao Wait... people are serious?!
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Jun 28, 2019 19:15
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STAC Goat posted:Wait... people are serious?! no
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Jun 28, 2019 19:15
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sean10mm posted:Being as gullible as possible about a magic crystal anti-vax woo-woo scammer is the new woke lmao Right. Over my morning coffee I was being no fun and lacking a sense of humor by making GBS threads on her and anyone supporting her. By lunch the "irony" mask has slipped and here we are. theblackw0lf posted:Besides, I have quite a few extremely smart activist friends who are also into new-agey spiritualism. (Crystals, tarot cards, astral plane projection, etc..) Sorry if your friends put any stock whatsoever in poo poo like that, they're not smart. They're actually pretty loving dumb. VH4Ever fucked around with this message at 19:18 on Jun 28, 2019 |
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Jun 28, 2019 19:16
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What does intelligence have to do with the astral realm?
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Jun 28, 2019 19:16
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Epicurius posted:Buden's problem is less that he opposed busing in 1977 and more that he won't say he was wrong noew. If you're a Democratic senator from Delaware in 1977, of course you were going to oppose busing. It was remarkably unpopular, especially with the .middle class suburban whites who made up Biden's base. the correct answer was this and also when asked about collaborating with eastland he should have said HA I pulled the wool over their eyes and tricked them into signing my <insert legislation here nobody have heard of or care> which benefited communities of color ofc he still woulda bled but maybe he would still be alive
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Jun 28, 2019 19:16
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Williamson is bad but I am totally willing to ironically stan for her as long as she’s not actually any threat to win.
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Jun 28, 2019 19:16
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I'm serious that Williamson is better than Biden.
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Jun 28, 2019 19:17
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Trabisnikof posted:I'm serious that Williamson is better than Biden. yeah she's legitimately better than half the field at this point
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Jun 28, 2019 19:17
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SimonCat posted:Court packing has been brought up several times. Can someone explain how this doesn't lead to the court continually expanding every time a different party has control of the Congress and White House? It might, but the status quo is constant Republican control anyway, and it might lead to a constitutional amendment.
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Jun 28, 2019 19:17
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sean10mm posted:Being as gullible as possible about a magic crystal anti-vax woo-woo scammer is the new woke lmao Don’t worry if she gets ahead of Bernie in any polls they’ll find out she’s actually a centrist neolib shill
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Jun 28, 2019 19:18
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Skex posted:I know that it's going to shock you, but I totally agree, not making election reform and security a priority the second the Democrats retook control of the government was the biggest mistake they made. That does shock me, but hey, cool!
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Jun 28, 2019 19:19
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I’m torn between wanting a serious candidate and someone to break and declare if elected they will go full vengeful angry wrath of God and devour conservative souls and use their flesh to sustain Medicare for all
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Jun 28, 2019 19:19
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Lightning Knight posted:Williamson is bad but I am totally willing to ironically stan for her as long as she’s not actually any threat to win. Dude this LITERALLY is how we have Trump. Remember people saying "OMG we MEMED a president into office!" I don't think she'll win either but this sort of thinking is so wrong-headed and dangerous I've no idea where to begin. kidkissinger posted:yeah she's legitimately better than half the field at this point Which means jack poo poo about her and is more of an indictment of how many trash Centrists the Democrats have in their party.
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Jun 28, 2019 19:20
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VH4Ever posted:Dude this LITERALLY is how we have Trump. Remember people saying "OMG we MEMED a president into office!" maybe breathe into a paper bag for a bit or something idk
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Jun 28, 2019 19:21
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Trabisnikof posted:https://twitter.com/marwilliamson/status/1914380026 That's not what I'm looking for. Like what's her opinion on US support for Guaido in Venezuela? Did she actually involve herself in any way in anti-Iraq war demonstrations? Here's her 2014 campaign website. From what I can gather from her actual 2014 run she opposed mass incarceration - and correctly identified private prisons as real mother fuckers. She supported free college, universal pre-k, and universal healthcare, which is actually good concrete poo poo that raises my opinion of her. She pushed for the repealing of the AUMF - that's the poo poo I actually want to hear. I hope she gets a spot at the next debate and actually talks about this poo poo in concrete terms next time.
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VH4Ever posted:Dude this LITERALLY is how we have Trump. Remember people saying "OMG we MEMED a president into office!" No it’s not, I hate this argument because it obscures the reality of why Trump is popular among the right wing. It’s not because he’s a meme, it’s because he’s a racist piece of poo poo who will be racist in public. Williamson is not going to meme her way through the Democratic primary because she doesn’t have any kind of draw like Trump did with his racism to his base.
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