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Barry Convex posted:man Marvel really needs a complete top-to-bottom uprooting of its editorial culture. I hoped things might change for the better under Akira Yoshida, but they clearly haven't Fixed this to maybe help you with what your expectations should've been
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The guy in loving yellowface ain't fixing squat, bud.
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Dawgstar posted:He did it to hide identifying tattoos because of the "danger" he was in. No lie. I hope he shaved his arm on beforehand.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:The origin and popular use of that saying predates the slur by centuries. Huh, how bout that Still, that's a red flag in this instance.
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BrianWilly posted:Sina Grace posted a pretty candid essay on his Tumblr about his experience writing Iceman at Marvel. quote:From the get-go, my first editor asserted that Iceman would be DOA if it were “too gay,” Marvel can't even get one gay-led comic without editorial trying to squash it along the way. What a crock.
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I wonder what exactly constitutes "too gay" for a series starring a gay man. I wonder if they defined it for Grace and where the various "too gay" limits are for Iceman and beyond.
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Iceman must loudly reassure all bakers that he would never force them to bake him a gay cake.
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Metalshark posted:I wonder what exactly constitutes "too gay" for a series starring a gay man. I wonder if they defined it for Grace and where the various "too gay" limits are for Iceman and beyond. well considering too gay meant doa and it got canned pretty quick, gonna guess that "mentioning being gay or having a boyfriend at all" was the limit
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Lurdiak posted:- Iceman must now be fully dressed in his ice form. Iceman in an ice tux could be pretty awesome, mind.
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CB/Akira always strikes me as a guy bending over backwards for Comicsgate truth be told.
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He learned it from Joe "Go on Fox News to appease conservatives who think Captain America is too liberal" Quesada
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CB strikes me more as the liberal type where he leans left until the slightest inconvenience causes him to shift fully the other way
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Yeah those quirky inconveniences like not being Asian but really wanting a gig set aside for an Asian person.
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Dreqqus posted:Yeah those quirky inconveniences like not being Asian but really wanting a gig set aside for an Asian person. I still can't believe he didn't lose the job over that.
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Rhyno posted:I still can't believe he didn't lose the job over that.
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Nessus posted:What are you gonna do, try to locate talent that isn't deeply enmeshed in your little fart-smelling bullpen? Lets not get too crazy. You'd just think that pretending to be a writer of another race would be a little too much of a black eye.
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Rhyno posted:Lets not get too crazy. You'd just think that pretending to be a writer of another race would be a little too much of a black eye.
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Nessus posted:What blows my mind is, wasn't this for a story which was extremely Japanese in terms of setting (I assume the cultural content was mediocre at best)? Ninjas were a repeating theme. Wolverine Soultaker and his Kitty Pryde and then an Elektra series.
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Dreqqus posted:Yeah those quirky inconveniences like not being Asian but really wanting a gig set aside for an Asian person. Of course by inconvenience I include perceived and not at all real ones there.
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I was googling CB and his pictures just infuriate me. He is exactly what you imagine a white man who'd pretend to be Japanese looks like.
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Nessus posted:What are you gonna do, try to locate talent that isn't deeply enmeshed in your little fart-smelling bullpen? Okay look Cebulski deserves all the dunking he gets for the Akira Yoshida thing and absolutely should never have been made editor in chief are you loving kidding me but he actually did do this. Most of the non-established Marvel or DC talent brought in under Quesada's and Alonso's run as EiC was his work. I am not in any way defending the man but let's not just ignore reality here for sick dunks. Blockhouse fucked around with this message at 17:16 on Jun 30, 2019 |
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Maybe someone can enlighten me, how can someone pretend to be a different race for so long? I know we got some comic writers here who have worked with Marvel. Don't they see you at all at any point. Is it really all done through e-mail? Because that sounds horribly soulless and draining. Hm, actually, typing that out does, in its own way, reveal a subtle racism on my part. For example, my cousin is half-Chinese, but you couldn't tell it by looking because he takes after his Italian parent. And his name is American as hell, both first and last. And he's got a strong New York accent and mannerisms. Obviously not the case here, but I guess I can see how one can be duped unless they go crazy and ask for a loving genology tree.
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iirc he was already working at marvel under his real name and "recommended" the akira persona and had friends who were in on it and lied for him
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Covok posted:Maybe someone can enlighten me, how can someone pretend to be a different race for so long? I know we got some comic writers here who have worked with Marvel. Don't they see you at all at any point. Is it really all done through e-mail? Because that sounds horribly soulless and draining. I imagine it's different now with video calls being a thing but the Yoshida stuff was about a decade or so ago where you didn't have much of a choice to interact with someone other than calls or emails. Most writers or artists don't actually live in New York, after all. Cebulski also used his position as a talent scout to pose as the "intermediary" between him and Yoshida, so it's not like there was ever a reason for people to ask to meet the guy.
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site posted:iirc he was already working at marvel under his real name and "recommended" the akira persona and had friends who were in on it and lied for him One story claims CB brought a dude in who didn't speak english and claimed that guy was Akira.
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This is a decent summary of the Akira Yoshida saga. The weird thing is that his first published/announced work was working for Dark Horse on a Hellboy story with Kia Asamiya, a legit manga artist from Japan who I think Cebulski had worked with in his pre-Marvel manga translation days. Cebulski worked to get Asamiya some Marvel work (he had previously done Batman and Star Wars manga/comics, and ended up drawing a bit of Chuck Austen's X-Men run), and "Akira" did a Conan mini-series at Dark Horse with Paul Lee, who I think is Japanese-American. Basically Cebulski wanted to break into writing comics and it was against Marvel policy to let editors freelance, so he made up a pen name and got a lot of his buddies to cover for him while pretending to only be accessible via e-mail, I feel like the only differences -- and I want to be clear, they are both BIG DIFFERENCES -- between this and a dozen other cronyism stories in comics is that a) he did the whole thing in yellowface and b) he is now the editor in chief of a large corporation owned by an enormous corporation.
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That's our David Brothers mentioned in the article right? That makes any dislike I had for the guy just evaporate.
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Rhyno posted:I was googling CB and his pictures just infuriate me. He is exactly what you imagine a white man who'd pretend to be Japanese looks like. Let me summon my vast psychic powers... winding thorugh the mind aether... ah! I'm getting a vision of a heavyset white dude with a beard. Let's check! Yup. My vast psionic powers remain validated.
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Dawgstar posted:Let me summon my vast psychic powers... winding thorugh the mind aether... ah! I'm getting a vision of a heavyset white dude with a beard. Your vision was slightly clouded and you missed the unfortunate haircut detail.
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They just make poo poo up and then repeat their lies frequently enough they start believing them themselves. https://twitter.com/renfamous/status/1145410029576757248?s=19
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Skwirl posted:They just make poo poo up and then repeat their lies frequently enough they start believing them themselves. This dude has reached unprecedented levels of not mad https://twitter.com/TheCrimsonArmy/status/1145433735627718656
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He wound up apologizing. (Asterisk.) https://twitter.com/TheCrimsonArmy/status/1145466660855459840 Dawgstar fucked around with this message at 00:03 on Jul 1, 2019 |
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I love when people seriously try the “You made me bleed, making me the victor!” bullshit
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you can't just say that without posting it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d696t3yALAY
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