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Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:

Kai Tave posted:

Here's the last game in the genre that Privilege Check reminded me of. A whopping 64 backers contributing less than a quarter of the asking price and a whole three comments. Exactly the same sort of jokey "we're doing this so people can laugh at themselves!" spiel, the exact same pair of dorky white guy creators, the exact same lovely low-effort card based design. It's like poetry.

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A Jew, a Black, a Christian and a Gay
Have the people who created this game ever talked to a member of those non-christian groups? ever?

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Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!



Arivia posted:

She was apparently born in Canada. She moved back to get out of Zak’s clutches and to get help with her medical care.
Oh so I'm guessing the entire point of the project is to make her come back into his clutches, huh.

Wow, what a shithead (who poo poo in his pants at the Chick-fil-A)

Loxbourne
Apr 6, 2011

Tomorrow, doom!
But now, tea.

thefakenews posted:

It just occurred to me that the format of cross-examination might well cause Zak to implode. His whole arguing style is based around trying to turn any question about him into grandstanding or demands for evidence. Just having to sit there and answer 'yes or no' questions might kill him.

I've been an attorney in court cases with this grade of raging narcissist, both domestic abuse and corporate shitlords, and the answer surprisingly often is "they try to walk out".

I am serious. They either refuse to show up on day 2 (claiming they're sick or something, or just don't bother at all), or they stand up and say "I'm not going to sit here and listen to these lies, I'm leaving" and walk out of the witness box.

Most of the time they get a very rude shock. But a few don't, or can fabricate excuses that work.

RiotGearEpsilon
Jun 26, 2005
SHAVE ME FROM MY SHELF

Loxbourne posted:

Most of the time they get a very rude shock.

I badly desire more information about one of these rude shocks.

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



Kurieg posted:

Have the people who created this game ever talked to a member of those non-christian groups? ever?
I'm sure they've talked to at least one person in the most persecuted group in America, a white male atheist.

thefakenews
Oct 20, 2012

Loxbourne posted:

I've been an attorney in court cases with this grade of raging narcissist, both domestic abuse and corporate shitlords, and the answer surprisingly often is "they try to walk out".

I am serious. They either refuse to show up on day 2 (claiming they're sick or something, or just don't bother at all), or they stand up and say "I'm not going to sit here and listen to these lies, I'm leaving" and walk out of the witness box.

Most of the time they get a very rude shock. But a few don't, or can fabricate excuses that work.

Oh yeah, I was in court during a trial in which they had to hold a voir dire (in the Australian usage) to determine whether a witness like that meant that she was going to kill herself, or just fail to show up, when she said “I’m probably not going to be here tomorrow” during an adjournment from cross-examination. Earlier in the day she claimed she was gonna throw up and the judge offered her his wire mesh trash can.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Kurieg posted:

Have the people who created this game ever talked to a member of those non-christian groups? ever?

It's optimistic to think they've even talked to a Christian.

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all

Dawgstar posted:

It's optimistic to think they've even talked to a Christian.

Nah, they've almost certainly interacted with someone who self-identified as Christian. There's just too many of them to avoid. Whether or not you think those people uphold the teachings of Christ is an entirely different conversation and not really relevant to the modern usage of the term.

Libertad!
Oct 30, 2013

You can have the last word, but I'll have the last laugh!

RiotGearEpsilon posted:

I badly desire more information about one of these rude shocks.

In the US there are various legal consequences for willful failure to show up in court, ranging from monetary fines to having your driver's license revoked or even a bench warrant for your arrest.

As for walking out of a trial once it's begun, I believe the bailiff will tackle you, but I cannot definitively answer that one and throw the ball to someone else's court.

Get it, cuz it's a court-related question!

Libertad! fucked around with this message at 02:10 on Jul 1, 2019

Nuns with Guns
Jul 23, 2010

It's fine.
Don't worry about it.

Nessus posted:

Oh so I'm guessing the entire point of the project is to make her come back into his clutches, huh.

Wow, what a shithead (who poo poo in his pants at the Chick-fil-A)

It's not a matter of getting back into his clutches, it's another form of abuse. He gets to legally compel her to come into a courtroom and talk about the years of abuse and experience being in the same room as him again. He also gets to put Mandy in the position of choosing between an expensive legal fight she has to deal with on top of debilitating medical issues (even if the Canadian medical costs themselves are lower), or settling out of court (where he'd get to dictate a lot of the terms, naturally.) Plus, there's a decent chance by the letter of the law he might win the case and gets to feel vindicated that way.

It's a pretty standard phase of the "affluent abusive narcissist" cycle. :smith:

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

While I don't know exactly how it works in Canada, some folks are kinda fantasizing/theorycrafting about a courtroom battle and I think presuming incorrectly that it'd be a criminal trial. This is a civil suit, not a trial. Nobody is arrested. Waltzing out of the witness box may get you penalized (contempt maybe?) but declining to show up to a civil suit probably won't. You'll just face summary judgement without having had your side of the story heard.

There's also not going to be a jury.

There's also probably not even going to be a judgement: the vast majority of civil suits are settled.

MollyMetroid
Jan 20, 2004

Trout Clan Daimyo
In some civil cases in Canada there is a six person jury. I do not know what criteria exist for this to be called for, however.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://www.enworld.org/forum/content.php?6447-WotC-Looking-For-A-New-D-D-Producer

new goon project: head D&D

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



A civil suit can lead to criminal charges, at least in the US. You're still making sworn statements under oath, and that's not something most people would take lightly.

Zak's strategy (as I see it) will likely be to present Mandy's post, attack it line by line ignoring the overall context, and then describe it as a hitpiece made up entirely of lies due to any minor discrepancies he can assert.

If Mandy can't recall thirty or forty pieces of insignificant minutiae, then the whole thing must be made up!

That's been his approach throughout, and he probably imagines it will work in court better than on the internet, since he only needs to bamboozle one judge instead of everyone in gaming.

PST
Jul 5, 2012

If only Milliband had eaten a vegan sausage roll instead of a bacon sandwich, we wouldn't be in this mess.
Tweet's race-related comments have been covered here before, but got a lot more attention on twitter recently as he'd compounded on them. Pelgrane made a post tonight (10pm UK time) about him:

https://twitter.com/13thAge/status/1145799864464347136

Also, a little more bluntly:

https://twitter.com/waderockett/status/1145805801606352896

PST fucked around with this message at 22:32 on Jul 1, 2019

Haystack
Jan 23, 2005





Anyone who designs a nostalgic d20 game is a cop pass it on

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

peed on;
sexually
Tweet looks like he's going full eugenicist bio-truther, extremely yikes.

Of all the ways to proceed into the next stage of your life and your career, it's a hell of a thing to choose this particular flag to rally around.

S.J.
May 19, 2008

Just who the hell do you think we are?

Tweets ideas were all of the lovely ones in the 13th age books anyways

drunkencarp
Feb 14, 2012

S.J. posted:

Tweets ideas were all of the lovely ones in the 13th age books anyways

Uncannily accurate.

S.J.
May 19, 2008

Just who the hell do you think we are?

drunkencarp posted:

Uncannily accurate.

You could tell he was the 3.x guy

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Haystack posted:

Anyone who designs a nostalgic d20 game is a cop pass it on

https://twitter.com/TkNyarlathotep/status/1145606516067770368

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



S.J. posted:

Tweets ideas were all of the lovely ones in the 13th age books anyways

This is true. Iirc, he wanted certain classes to have fewer backgrounds because they were "less interesting."

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:

moths posted:

This is true. Iirc, he wanted certain classes to have fewer backgrounds because they were "less interesting."

Mearls just spontaneously got a boner he can't explain.

Zereth
Jul 9, 2003



moths posted:

This is true. Iirc, he wanted certain classes to have fewer backgrounds because they were "less interesting."
... If the class, on its own, is "less interesting", wouldn't you want more of those to bring it up to Interesting Par?

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



Zereth posted:

... If the class, on its own, is "less interesting", wouldn't you want more of those to bring it up to Interesting Par?

Shh shh shh.

We can't let everyone have nice things. Apparently because of racism. We have to make some people lovely just like the author thinks they are in real life because????????

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

коммунизм хранится в яичках

Alien Rope Burn posted:

Also if you're trying to lean into performative wokeness, Burning Man may not be the best thing to associate yourself with. (Warning for explicit descriptions of sexual assault.)

Yup.

Also a huge environmental problem, because more and more of the ~70k attendees just dump their week worth of trash on the tiny town next to the Black Rock, or in Reno, and overwhelm their ability to handle it. Assuming they don't just ditch it on the side of the road.

It's kind of interesting to watch from an old internet perspective because they've hit their version of Eternal September, where the bucket listers and SV vacationers consume enough tickets that the people who would indoctrinate them into the culture of the event can't get into the event anymore, and as a result the bad parts of the event get worse.

Like deciding they needed to support cell service for all the people who panic at the idea of a couple days without phone internet means that anyone deciding to let loose and do something they wouldn't do at home can have tagged pics of them on Facebook (or one of the assorted Reddit holes for 'festival sluts') before they leave the desert.

Liquid Communism fucked around with this message at 05:10 on Jul 2, 2019

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



Liquid Communism posted:

(or one of the assorted Reddit holes for 'festival sluts')

This is exactly as depressing as I think it is and I shouldn't bother researching it? Or is it worse and I really shouldn't?

That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


I like how this recent round of "surprise, my lovely opinions" was kicked off by just straight up phrenology so that there's somewhat less truth-in-the-middle going around.

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



Wait wait. Sorry I'm just asking question every other post ; I guess I haven't been following things well for a while.

But this Tweet poo poo is actually straight up from phrenology? I skimmed and it was the usual Stephen Molyneux kind of poo poo. I didn't read that he went into equally dumb but much older poo poo.

S.J.
May 19, 2008

Just who the hell do you think we are?

moths posted:

This is true. Iirc, he wanted certain classes to have fewer backgrounds because they were "less interesting."

Seriously, I remember reading all the side bars where the two authors would talk about expectations, ideas for rules modifications, etc, and Tweets ideas and thoughts were always loving garbage idiot nonsense that actively just made the game worse. It just left me imagining all the lovely classes were probably in some way his fault.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

Kurieg posted:

Mearls just spontaneously got a boner he can't explain.

I'm gonna guess that's all of them.

That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


Xiahou Dun posted:

Wait wait. Sorry I'm just asking question every other post ; I guess I haven't been following things well for a while.

But this Tweet poo poo is actually straight up from phrenology? I skimmed and it was the usual Stephen Molyneux kind of poo poo. I didn't read that he went into equally dumb but much older poo poo.

From what I understand there was a "news" article about ~race science~ that made only a token effort to elide that the study it was discussing was itself barely disguised phrenology. Like seriously talking about skull shapes and race-linked IQ.

And so Tweet was like "sure this is probably wrong, but liberals have ceded similar, legitimate race science to the right for the sake of political correctness" which just oof-ah.

Maybe he was talking about a different racist "science" article, or just totally extemporaneously. It's been Quite A Week™.

Edit: Also, while Molyneux may specifically not be on board for phrenology, his "skeptical racism" has become much more overt over the years, so in fact his garbage opinions would be an even older legacy than phrenology! I understand his presence in a friend's recommends used to be more of a general libertarian shittiness red flag, but nowadays he outright says poo poo like "socialism can actually be okay if it's just a bunch of white people." He is just 100% a white nationalist now.

That Old Tree fucked around with this message at 05:39 on Jul 2, 2019

Libertad!
Oct 30, 2013

You can have the last word, but I'll have the last laugh!
Stefan Molyneux believes that people of different races cannot accept organ transplants from each other.

He also believes if a Jewish person does not acknowledge, much less denounce, criminal or immoral activity committed by another Jew then this is a clear example of them shielding their own. Even if said Jews do not know each other and one lives halfway around the globe.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Stefan Molyneux is as close as you can get to just saying the Holocaust was awesome and Nazis are role models without getting banned off of everything. The absolute limit. He's completely a neo-nazi but he wears just enough of a fig leaf around it to be accepted in civil society.

And boy does he hate women.

Lemniscate Blue
Apr 21, 2006

Here we go again.

Lurdiak posted:

Stefan Molyneux is as close as you can get to just saying the Holocaust was awesome and Nazis are role models without getting banned off of everything. The absolute limit. He's completely a neo-nazi but he wears just enough of a fig leaf around it to be accepted in civil society.

And boy does he hate women.

Does he still insist that all "families of origin" are horribly abusive and that everyone should sever completely and give him money or am I thinking of someone else?

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



Lemniscate Blue posted:

Does he still insist that all "families of origin" are horribly abusive and that everyone should sever completely and give him money or am I thinking of someone else?

Nah that sounds about right unless he's changed it up recently.

Libertad!
Oct 30, 2013

You can have the last word, but I'll have the last laugh!
Molyneux also claims to be an anarchist but consistently takes police officer's sides whenever their actions result in the death of an unarmed black man. So there's that.

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

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Xiahou Dun posted:

This is exactly as depressing as I think it is and I shouldn't bother researching it? Or is it worse and I really shouldn't?

BM, as a notionally counterculture private event in the middle of the desert, used to have a fair bit of exhibitionism and nudity. They also used to have a very strong photo policy keeping cameras on site limited to registered journalists, but now smartphones can get slow but working internet on the desert. Reddit, being a community seemingly made entirely of horny teenagers, has a whole community based around candid photos and involuntary pornography.

So yeah, either exactly as depressing or worse depending on your level of jaded burnout. The really 'we got all the dystopia and none of the cyberpunk' part is that the state and federal agencies run stingrays out there these days too as part of their annual attempt to milk all the clueless burnouts for funding via drug charges.

Liquid Communism fucked around with this message at 06:28 on Jul 2, 2019

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



Liquid Communism posted:

BM, as a notionally counterculture private event in the middle of the desert, used to have a fair bit of exhibitionism and nudity. They also used to have a very strong photo policy keeping cameras on site limited to registered journalists, but now smartphones can get slow but working internet on the desert. Reddit, being a community seemingly made entirely of horny teenagers, has a whole community based around candid photos and involuntary pornography.

So yeah, either exactly as depressing or worse depending on your level of jaded burnout.

That's actually better than I thought which is depressing in its own way. (Still terrible, obviously, but I was imagining much worse.)

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Spiteski
Aug 27, 2013




gently caress I'm so not up to scratch on who anyone is. I spent the first few minutes of this wondering how the gently caress the developer of Fable turned out to be such a piece of poo poo.

That's a different Molyneux, myself, a different Molyneux

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