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Coffee Jones posted:It’s kinda reminded me of a boss I had (who’d also spent a lot of time at MS) during one of our 1:1’s
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pathetic little tramp posted:Anyone have any experience with new developers undercutting on salaries? I work for a company currently that was just hiring for a react developer, had quite a few applicants with 4, 5, and 10+ years experience who were asking for 150 and up but they hired some kid who has not had a coding job before because he said he'd do it for 50. Depends on what you need the person to do. You always get what you pay for, not a big deal though if the upper limit on the possible damage he can do is fairly low.
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pathetic little tramp posted:Anyone have any experience with new developers undercutting on salaries? I work for a company currently that was just hiring for a react developer, had quite a few applicants with 4, 5, and 10+ years experience who were asking for 150 and up but they hired some kid who has not had a coding job before because he said he'd do it for 50. it sounds like your company doesn't actually know who they're trying to hire. if that work can be done by a junior employee, and your company has the resources to onboard and mentor additional juniors, by all means hire the junior candidate. but it doesn't sound like your company has thought about this more than "50 less than 150" and it's going to be a shitshow
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Jul 2, 2019 21:33
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also i hope there was a technical interview involved beyond "what's the lowest you're willing to work for"
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Pie Colony posted:also i hope there was a technical interview involved beyond "what's the lowest you're willing to work for" lol, they basically have a "code up a fizzbuzz" and if you do, you are considered "passed" that's about it. this is a company where every couple weeks someone posts to the tech channel on slack "Hey my admin account doesn't appear to be working, who should i put a ticket in with" and there's no answer for about 3 hours and then "@poorfucker has left the channel" pathetic little tramp fucked around with this message at 21:45 on Jul 2, 2019 |
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Jul 2, 2019 21:42
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i mean thats fine if they know the implications of onboarding a new grad/junior position i'm guessing they don't?
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qhat posted:FYI selling services into the EU has absolutely nothing with being a part of the EU. ??? you could not be more wrong if you tried services, and particularly financial services, are inextricably one of the "four Fs" that the EU refuses to un-bundle the heart of the entire brexit thing is that the EU will not permit london to remain a perfect location for financial services unless the UK is also willing to permit free movement of goods and people qhat posted:I doubt that the financial services industry is suddenly going to shutter their doors in London and move to Frankfurt. I'm mostly wondering if there will be a limited contraction in the tech industry vs a sharp contraction in the labour pool, inflating wages for devs. the financial services industry is already moving. thousands of job cuts in the last two years. count on that accelerating if brexit actually goes through after brexit, london will be an EU-adjacent option instead of an EU financial center. it will join such world cities as lagos and istanbul. good luck with that
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the reason that london ever became a financial center was 1. they were the first to deregulate (totally irrelevant today, because france and germany have followed britain's lead) 2. they invented "eurodollar" bonds (totally irrelevant today, because eurodollars are traded everywhere, and the euro also exists) it's all historical accident brexit is going to un-do the accident
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jesus WEP posted:belfast is a dive but it has real good dev wages for the cost of living. i'm a not-senior and i make about 40k, and you can buy a house in walking/cycling distance of jobs for less than 200k is it really that much of a dive? i visited last year for work and really enjoyed the city
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:??? Counter point: Switzerland is not a part of the EU, and it's banks do not have EU passporting, but I don't think anyone would be foolish enough to claim that this has somehow restricted the Swiss banking industry in any appreciable manner.
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I don't know a lot about finance but I get the sense that Swiss banking has been successful for, uh, somewhat subtler reasons
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Anyway I don't know enough about this, and I'm just interpreting the fact that the British economy hasn't collapsed yet as the whole thing being so complicated that literally nobody knows what's going to happen or what the fallout will really be in the event of no deal.
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Sagebrush posted:I don't know a lot about finance but I get the sense that Swiss banking has been successful for, uh, somewhat subtler reasons A Tory government under bojo would absolutely turn the UK into, in the words of Jezza, a bargain basement tax haven. Edit, this just came out today: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/07/02/boris-johnson-plans-six-singapore-style-tax-free-zones-around/
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pathetic little tramp posted:Anyone have any experience with new developers undercutting on salaries? I work for a company currently that was just hiring for a react developer, had quite a few applicants with 4, 5, and 10+ years experience who were asking for 150 and up but they hired some kid who has not had a coding job before because he said he'd do it for 50. in 2 years after the current manager has sailed away to a better job the new manager will have to hire a consultant at like $300/hour to fix it that's like measurable tech debt accumulation
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Blinkz0rz posted:is it really that much of a dive? i visited last year for work and really enjoyed the city it's nice to visit but northern ireland in general is The South, But Europe
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Sagebrush posted:I don't know a lot about finance but I get the sense that Swiss banking has been successful for, uh, somewhat subtler reasons it's illegal to trade swiss stocks in the eu or something right now because the eu has refused to let them keep some of their banking "traditions" and still count as having equivalent rules to the eu
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:the financial services industry is already moving. thousands of job cuts in the last two years. count on that accelerating if brexit actually goes through Except the City cut a deal long since to deal with that?
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feedmegin posted:Except the City cut a deal long since to deal with that? the thing you need other than trading securities and stuff is workers well, bankers
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pathetic little tramp posted:Anyone have any experience with new developers undercutting on salaries? I work for a company currently that was just hiring for a react developer, had quite a few applicants with 4, 5, and 10+ years experience who were asking for 150 and up but they hired some kid who has not had a coding job before because he said he'd do it for 50. lol massive red flag
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feedmegin posted:Except the City cut a deal long since to deal with that? can't be bothered to check the details now, but p. sure the deal is just "existing instruments will be treated according to the legal framework in effect when they were issued", here filtered through insufferable editorializing.
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pathetic little tramp posted:Anyone have any experience with new developers undercutting on salaries? I work for a company currently that was just hiring for a react developer, had quite a few applicants with 4, 5, and 10+ years experience who were asking for 150 and up but they hired some kid who has not had a coding job before because he said he'd do it for 50. and programmers say they don't need a union
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unions won’t actually help with companies not know what position they’re hiring for “oh uh we didn’t actually need a master plumber after all we just needed a laborer”
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Mao Zedong Thot posted:lol massive red flag yeah it's why i've been starting the process to get out of here - not least the fact that i'm a react dev and they have me working on php stuff 90% of the time literally hiring a guy who will break so much poo poo that i have to fix in addition to my current job that is not in my job description
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I think if programming became unionised I would almost certainly become an independent contractor. Being strapped into the same pay grade as the useless guy across the hall would kind of suck.
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do you think the rock makes the same amount of money as an extra?
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I think the rock is definitely a world class movie star known by literally billions of people globally
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My gf works in a hospital and it's all unionised, and being someone who just joined recently she is not eligible to take the holidays she wants if someone with greater tenure wants that date, so she basically never gets Christmas off etc. And her pay is also heavily tied to her tenure regardless of how hard she works. Get a better union you say? Until the union demands they are the only union allowed in your workplace.
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how do you think that would work if there wasn't a union there?
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Just saying be careful what you wish for. If you're in a position to outcompete 95% of the garbage universities are churning out nowadays then it's unlikely being part of a union is in your personal financial interests.
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Two things First, everyone thinks they're in that 5 percent you're referring to, but most people aren't Second, if it helps that large a percentage of people you're damned straight I want more equitable pay, wtf
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qhat posted:Just saying be careful what you wish for. If you're in a position to outcompete 95% of the garbage universities are churning out nowadays then it's unlikely being part of a union is in your personal financial interests. 95% of people do not get hired. just like over 95% of college athletes don't get union jobs at the NBA/NFL. unions are more than capable of operating in highly selective environments with high gaps between paygrades
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You might have a different opinion but I just don't see unions as being any more virtuous or incapable of being totally corrupt and cronyist as the worst organizations. I've known people including some in my family be blacklisted from unions for speaking out against their policies and then not able to get a job anywhere that union is present. YMMV though.
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and people are routinely blackballed from entire industries for whisteblowing or disagreeing with policies or even reporting a crime a union is at least pretending to look out for you, thats a step above HR and management's job which is to look out for the company
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unions aren't perfect? well might as well just give up on the whole concept I guess. oh well at least we didn't try
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Munkeymon posted:unions aren't perfect? well might as well just give up on the whole concept I guess. oh well at least we didn't try I'm just questioning the "need" part. We're in a high demand six figure industry. Do you really think the reason unions aren't in tech is because people don't know about them? Or perhaps it's because there isn't actually a need right now? But hey let's shoehorn them in there because I guess the guy requesting 150k yearly didn't get one job.
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No, the reason is capitalist overlords.
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qhat posted:I'm just questioning the "need" part. We're in a high demand six figure industry. Do you really think the reason unions aren't in tech is because people don't know about them? Or perhaps it's because there isn't actually a need right now? But hey let's shoehorn them in there because I guess the guy requesting 150k yearly didn't get one job. lol dude tech labor is exploited just as any other type of labor. you're putting the cart in front of the horse here. unions haven't moved in because it's both a very new industry and because the difficulty of finding qualified candidates has forced them into paying high wages. that isn't out of the goodness of their hearts and they definitely could be paying more. those high wages have caused tech workers to look around and feel content because at least they don't have it as bad as everyone else so they don't want to rock the boat. we definitely hold massive leverage if we decided to act collectively though. imagine if banking tech workers went on strike and shut down the servers.
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the appalling burnout rate and of women and minorities leaving continuously, compounded with brain dead interviews probably warrants unions
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qhat posted:I'm just questioning the "need" part. We're in a high demand six figure industry. Do you really think the reason unions aren't in tech is because people don't know about them? Or perhaps it's because there isn't actually a need right now? But hey let's shoehorn them in there because I guess the guy requesting 150k yearly didn't get one job. no, the reason would be "no poach" agreements and fixed salaries between tech majors, uncompensated on call time, excessive working hours, a lack of adequate facilities (ie, cramming so many people into a building that there aren't enough bathrooms), etc. in short: silvergoose posted:No, the reason is capitalist overlords.
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