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AceOfFlames posted:My family is a big believer in the notion of a gay cabal in charge of governments and point to "every show on TV these days has at least one gay person in it" as evidence. When I try to dispute it, it devolves into screaming matches with them claiming I am naive and don't know how the world works.
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My kid made me rent NickHits on Amazon Prime so she could watch Zoey 101. There’s not much that can age badly about something as timeless as that, but in the first episode her father is driving her to school in his cool-dad convertible PT Cruiser. Literally any other convertible from the early 2000’s would have aged better than that POS. Also Lee Iacocca just died so RIP Mr Chrysler.
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Jul 3, 2019 04:03
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MrUnderbridge posted:Had a guy on another site who gripes on and on about "forced diversity". Expressed his hate of the Captain Marvel movie, even before it came out, cause "Captain Marvel is a guy!" (Despite the comics version being a woman or two for decades) Called it "The worst marvel movie ever!", even though most of the people on the site liked it. His second least favorite was (duh) Black Panther, because it showed white people as bad guys. He also pontificated at length about US race relations, which he, an Australian, knew all about from his newspapers and what he'd seen on TV and movies. I'm a little confused about this. The main bad guy was black. The main bad guys motivations were "kill whitey". And the main good guy was the kind of honorable, noble, law abiding, moderate "black" that these people cream over. (i.e. "I don't hate black people, I hate N*s. If only they would act like white people. etc.") Of the two white people in the main cast, one was a good guy American, the other was a moustachio twirling bad guy foreigner. So why does he think the movie portrays white guys as the baddies? I realize that all of the above is a stupid, reductive, and overly simplistic way of missing the point of Black Panther. But when has that stopped right wing racists from using that as a reading of movies/media?
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Jul 3, 2019 04:06
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BrigadierSensible posted:I'm a little confused about this. Representation matters. Having only two White characters is like pretending Caucasians don’t even exist. <steps into time machine back to 1997> What? Why does it matter if Seinfeld and Friends have no Black characters? Everyone’s got to whine.
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Jul 3, 2019 04:11
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To be fair on "Shoehorned" sexual orientation, Captain Kirk has tons of unnecessary sex for no reason, why is that not "shoehorning" his sexuality into the plot but when Sara Lance fucks every girl she sees it is? The reason seems pretty clear to me.
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Jul 3, 2019 04:21
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William Shatner insisting on it is probably part of the reason—an actual shoehorning in of poo poo that nobody ever complained about except maybe Harlan Ellison.
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Jul 3, 2019 04:28
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pardon? nu-trek with pine kirk has definitely been criticized for not understanding the character and just throwing green aliens at him, among the other ways it hasn't translated the character well e: in fairness i should point out that i don't doubt there's an imbalance, just the fact that homophobes will go after some characters and not others tips the scales, i just mean to say old icons like kirk and james bond do take flak in modern times when they're written so bad it feels like the writers are just going through the motions instead of doing a real arc vvvve2: you probably should, suggesting that someone was gay was a pretty scandalous thing to accuse someone of in days gone by so there was a tendency to suppose everyone was straight by default unless you had overwhelming evidence hard counter has a new favorite as of 04:47 on Jul 3, 2019 |
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Jul 3, 2019 04:30
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Pick posted:Here's the problem, though, Tiggum--one, you are posting. Hope you didn't want me to read the rest of your post.
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Jul 3, 2019 04:42
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If you read even that much of my post you are a total idiot
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Jul 3, 2019 04:45
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hard counter posted:pardon? nu-trek with pine kirk has definitely been criticized for not understanding the character and just throwing green aliens at him, among the other ways it hasn't translated the character well Yeah they try to keep the womanizer aspect in the Daniel Craig bond movies and it just comes off like this: https://youtu.be/-yUafzOXHPE
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Jul 3, 2019 05:41
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Krispy Wafer posted:My kid made me rent NickHits on Amazon Prime so she could watch Zoey 101. There’s not much that can age badly about something as timeless as that, but in the first episode her father is driving her to school in his cool-dad convertible PT Cruiser. Isn't that the one with Britney Spears' sister that got cancelled because she got pregnant and quite possibly by the pedophile producer at Nick?
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Jul 3, 2019 05:52
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Isn't that the one with Britney Spears' sister that got cancelled because she got pregnant and quite possibly by the pedophile producer at Nick? She got pregnant, but I’m pretty sure the father was her boyfriend at the time. Anything’s possible though. I read Corey Feldman’s autobiography so I know all about pedophiles in Hollywood. Feldman is a dipshit, but he knows his pedos. It was weird reading how he had to tiptoe around who Corey Haim’s rapist was because he was too powerful in the industry and then you find out its Charlie Sheen.
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Near the end of TNG's first season now, I liked Armus. I like his concept, a planet of Jeckylls who figured out how to extract the evil from within themselves, with it coating them like a second skin. Then they just took it off and hosed off, abandoning it to fester. In a sense, the Jeckylls shed their Hides  Also the line in the time distortion episode from Troi about the cafe on the shoreleave place being across from the Men's Dance Palace. I like to think that it's a gay bar/male strip club that Troi frequents. The female equivalent of the horny sailor, finding some bit of male totty for when she's off the ship. She's the most sensitive person on the enterprise, but off duty, she don't give a gently caress.
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Jul 3, 2019 07:39
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BrigadierSensible posted:I'm a little confused about this. Pretty much because "the PC brigade" made sure that Africans came out as the heroes, and the movie was a critical and popular success. "So much for diversity, why are there only two white people? Hypocrites!" That sums up his argument, so that's pretty telling about the guy right there, much less all of the other evidence from his other posts. He's also in the "global warming is a hoax by the scientists!" crowd, which made it ever so easy to block his posts.
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Jul 3, 2019 08:07
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BioEnchanted posted:To be fair on "Shoehorned" sexual orientation, Captain Kirk has tons of unnecessary sex for no reason, why is that not "shoehorning" his sexuality into the plot but when Sara Lance fucks every girl she sees it is? The reason seems pretty clear to me. I don't even think Sara sleeps with all that many women in Legends, it's just that all the women she does sleep with are in some way noteworthy; there's no also-rans in that list. Which may also be true of Kirk to my knowledge (haven't seen TOS Trek), I remember Red Letter Media mentioning once that his womanizing, as well as the famous Shatner Voice everyone makes fun of were either barely there or nonexistant in TOS. I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear that Kirk only slept with like three women, but we think of it as so much more because everyone remembers those three women. Also, Sara sleeping with women gave me one of my favorite parts from all of Crisis on Earth-X, so screw anyone who speaks ill of that part of her. Sara is the best human Alex Danvers has ever had in her life!
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If you have the time then a while ago I read this article: http://strangehorizons.com/non-fiction/columns/freshly-rememberd-kirk-drift/ (which is very long) but also analyses Kirk a little more and speaks up about the pop culture version of him compared to what was in the series. As I have barely seen any episodes I realised that my knowledge also comes from pop culture so it was a bit of an eye opener!
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Jul 3, 2019 08:48
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Oh my god the ending of Conspiracy, with the bug things that were supposed to be the Borg but for budget issues. His head just exploded and he chestbursts in a pile of gore. That episode was amazing given that the concept was abandoned in favour of the borg. I laughed so hard when the guy just melted into goo and insects.
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Jul 3, 2019 08:55
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BioEnchanted posted:Oh my god the ending of Conspiracy, with the bug things that were supposed to be the Borg but for budget issues. His head just exploded and he chestbursts in a pile of gore.  Never gets old.
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BioEnchanted posted:Near the end of TNG's first season now, I liked Armus. I like his concept, a planet of Jeckylls who figured out how to extract the evil from within themselves, with it coating them like a second skin. Then they just took it off and hosed off, abandoning it to fester. In a sense, the Jeckylls shed their Hides Armus was the ultimate stuff of nightmares for me as a kid. I still get a bit uncomfortable watching that goofy episode. I think partly because it feels so jarring. TNG is usually a lukewarm bubble bath where the heroes technobabble (or Picard soliloquizes) their way out of problems and have a jolly laugh at the end. But then bam, here's this oil monster that is totally invulnerable and can't be reasoned with, casually murdering a cast member, puppeting the crew effortlessly, and doing some seriously creepy poo poo with Riker. Even at the end the best the crew can do is retreat and leave a beacon saying 'don't ever loving come here, there's an omnipotent immortal torture god'. I used to dream he'd seep through the crack under my bedroom door 
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Jul 3, 2019 09:11
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Krispy Wafer posted:She got pregnant, but I’m pretty sure the father was her boyfriend at the time. Anything’s possible though. Not to play conspiracy devil's advocate too much, but unironically that's what they would say, particularly given she was underage at the time. They did a reunion mini-episode online a few years ago and it was genuinely funny (if you grew up with the show). I'm disappointed they didn't finish it. I assume they couldn't get Spears for whatever reason.
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Jul 3, 2019 09:32
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Conspiracy and Skin of Evil both rule. I'm a huge early TNG fan because they had lots of trippy episodes with ultimate weapons, energy cloud beings, space gods, space god cities, and sentient JO crystals, all the stuff that I love about Star Trek.
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BioEnchanted posted:To be fair on "Shoehorned" sexual orientation, Captain Kirk has tons of unnecessary sex for no reason, why is that not "shoehorning" his sexuality into the plot but when Sara Lance fucks every girl she sees it is? The reason seems pretty clear to me. To be honest I'm the weird that's not a big fan of sex in movies and feel a lot of times they are just shoehorned in. It's the worst in books because I read horror and cheesy sci-fi and fantasy and sweet Jesus do writers loving love to just drop sex in there, and it's always written so clumsily and awkward. I didn't need to know that of the Loser Club only the fat one came during the preteen sewer train. Thank you coked out King.
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At least in books it's really easy to skip past. Maybe it's one reason I made it through the whole 5 books but less than one season of GoT.
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Jul 3, 2019 11:47
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Len posted:To be honest I'm the weird that's not a big fan of sex in movies and feel a lot of times they are just shoehorned in. It's the worst in books because I read horror and cheesy sci-fi and fantasy and sweet Jesus do writers loving love to just drop sex in there, and it's always written so clumsily and awkward. I don't know if this is that uncommon. I watch most movies at home and usually if there are sex scenes I just skip past em. They don't tend to add much and they usually go on way too long.
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I like the clumsy awkward sex scenes because it feels inclusive to me.
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Jul 3, 2019 13:37
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Solice Kirsk posted:I like the clumsy awkward sex scenes because it feels inclusive to me. I thought any sex scene would leave you out.
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VideoGames posted:If you have the time then a while ago I read this article: http://strangehorizons.com/non-fiction/columns/freshly-rememberd-kirk-drift/ (which is very long) but also analyses Kirk a little more and speaks up about the pop culture version of him compared to what was in the series. Hey, this was a really good read; thanks for sharing it!
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VideoGames posted:If you have the time then a while ago I read this article: http://strangehorizons.com/non-fiction/columns/freshly-rememberd-kirk-drift/ (which is very long) but also analyses Kirk a little more and speaks up about the pop culture version of him compared to what was in the series. This is a well reasoned, thought out response to how people see Kirk. On the other hand, doing a Shatner impression is much funnier the other way.
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Jul 3, 2019 13:50
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Jedit posted:I thought any sex scene would leave you out.  
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I absolutely loved that show at the time and rewatched the dvds until I could recite every episode, but have a feeling it doesn’t hold up with its edgy white liberal humor
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Jul 3, 2019 14:12
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Ambitious Spider posted:I absolutely loved that show at the time and rewatched the dvds until I could recite every episode, but have a feeling it doesn’t hold up with its edgy white liberal humor A lot of 90s stuff is like that. The whole concept of Men in Black really hasn't aged well with a modicum of political retrospect.
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Ambitious Spider posted:I absolutely loved that show at the time and rewatched the dvds until I could recite every episode, but have a feeling it doesn’t hold up with its edgy white liberal humor Off the top of my head I'd say the trial episode probably comes off as worse than it used to be.
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GoutPatrol posted:This is a well reasoned, thought out response to how people see Kirk. On the other hand, doing a Shatner impression is much funnier the other way. I mean, it is still a Shatner impression. It's just 'William Shatner doing spoken a word cover of Rocketman', not 'William Shatner as Captain Kirk'.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:A lot of 90s stuff is like that. The whole concept of Men in Black really hasn't aged well with a modicum of political retrospect. the original comic was a lot more explicit about the Men in Black being a shady and not very heroic organization, iirc
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Ambitious Spider posted:I absolutely loved that show at the time and rewatched the dvds until I could recite every episode, but have a feeling it doesn’t hold up with its edgy white liberal humor Same. I know the sheer abundance of gay jokes don't age well. I mean...one of the episodes (Outbreak parody) ends by Dante having to falsely admit he's gay and WHOA, so funny for a straight guy to say he's gay! But overall, I think it's still pretty funny. It did a couple stabs at meta humor before that was overdone. The second episode was a clip show back to the first episode and things we never saw happen (which is now so overdone I think a classic style clip show would be weird to see.) The final episode started with Dante and Randall (still the animated versions, but pretending their the actors from the movie...sort of...) at a Comic-Con-esque panel where fans of the Clerks movie were complaining to them about how the cartoon is nothing like the movie (and there were only like 6 or 8 episodes, all produced at once, so it's interesting that Keven Smith et all knew what the fans' complaints would be.) and then the episode gets crazier and crazier, while at the same time being a "bottle" episode that never leaves the Quick Stop, and it finally ends with Jay-as-Bugs Bunny at an animators' table a-la Bugs Bunny in "Duck Amok" saying, "Ain't I a stinker?"
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did torchwood deal with the weird 'i'm using alien pheromones to date rape people' with any gravity or was it just that character wiggling his eyebrows to the camera
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hard counter posted:pardon? nu-trek with pine kirk has definitely been criticized for not understanding the character and just throwing green aliens at him, among the other ways it hasn't translated the character well The new Star Trek was critized for supercharging an aspect of Kirks behavior but no one equates that with pandering
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FactsAreUseless posted:Stop talking to your family Both the Bachelor and the Bachelorette have exclusively strait contestants to avoid them smooching each other instead of competing. It's possible that some of the background characters are gay, I haven't seen the whole show.
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Mamkute posted:Both the Bachelor and the Bachelorette have exclusively strait contestants to avoid them smooching each other instead of competing. It's possible that some of the background characters are gay, I haven't seen the whole show. this seems very unlikely, those reality tv shows love drama, you really think they do some rigorous testing to make sure the girls won't make out with each other in the hot tub or whatever?
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ulex minor posted:did torchwood deal with the weird 'i'm using alien pheromones to date rape people' with any gravity or was it just that character wiggling his eyebrows to the camera Wasn't that like the first episode or something? I know I didn't watch it past that.
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