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The Ocampan's biology makes the least sense out of any alien species save the Trill, to be honest.
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Lemniscate Blue posted:It got cut from the shooting script, but in STIV the reason Saavik stayed behind on Vulcan is that she was pregnant with Spock's child, so the writers' intent is pretty clear. Well that certainly wasn't necessary I'm glad they cut it.
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Jul 3, 2019 00:07
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Nodosaur posted:The Ocampan's biology makes the least sense out of any alien species save the Trill, to be honest. But don't the Ocampan not just have really short lifespans - comprehensible - but each couple only has one child ever, like, on a biological level?
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Jul 3, 2019 00:13
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Nessus posted:
That was a one episode writer's brain fart But yes, apparently. So loving dumb.
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Jul 3, 2019 00:21
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Also telepathy may well make up for short lifespans if they can matrix dump rote knowledge and every moment can be in pursuit of new experiences Edit: also the jem'hadar have basically the same lifespan and Klingons seem to be adults at single digit age
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Jul 3, 2019 00:22
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Let's be honest even the human biology in Star Trek doesn't make much sense.
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Jul 3, 2019 00:25
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The Bloop posted:Edit: also the jem'hadar have basically the same lifespan and Klingons seem to be adults at single digit age The Jem'hadar aren't a naturally evolved intelligent species, though. They're artificially created cannon fodder with an expected life span of a few years because their only purpose is to throw their lives away for the founders.
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Jul 3, 2019 00:31
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The Bloop posted:Also telepathy may well make up for short lifespans if they can matrix dump rote knowledge and every moment can be in pursuit of new experiences
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Jul 3, 2019 00:37
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Kind of amazing it was Kes who turned out to be a sex offender.
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Jul 3, 2019 00:39
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Epicurius posted:The Jem'hadar aren't a naturally evolved intelligent species, though. They're artificially created cannon fodder with an expected life span of a few years because their only purpose is to throw their lives away for the founders. Death is glory to the founders.
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Jul 3, 2019 00:41
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I'm always sad they got rid of Kes, because the idea of seeing her entire lifespan over the course of the show was great. The Neelix relationship was icky, but it's a nice counterpoint to the Vulcan/Human relationships we have seen, where humans are the ones with the short lifespans.
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Jul 3, 2019 00:50
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Nessus posted:The Trill are hosed up but you can at least get the idea and see how it could work out as a society, even if it totally means that the symbionts are in charge. Biologically, the Trill fall apart when you reach the premise that two species evolved together to have a symbiotic relationship that requires surgery. There's no way such a thing could arise in nature, but by god drat, they want us to believe that anyway.
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Jul 3, 2019 00:59
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Nodosaur posted:Biologically, the Trill fall apart when you reach the premise that two species evolved together to have a symbiotic relationship that requires surgery. There's no way such a thing could arise in nature, but by god drat, they want us to believe that anyway. It might not have originally required surgery, but generations of medical technology led to the species changing. Or, as I tend to think, back in the mists of time the Trill symbiotes were basically like Goa'uld. So while they could perform an invasive and traumatic pairing it's probably not the best start to a relationship.
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Jul 3, 2019 01:06
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Nodosaur posted:Biologically, the Trill fall apart when you reach the premise that two species evolved together to have a symbiotic relationship that requires surgery. There's no way such a thing could arise in nature, but by god drat, they want us to believe that anyway. Perhaps the surgery isn't an absolute requirement, but the modern (surgical) method has a lower mortality rate and is FAR less painful than the old rip-through-the-skin-with-your-teeth method. Sort of like how present-day humans use dentistry, or obstetrics.
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Jul 3, 2019 01:12
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Epicurius posted:The Jem'hadar aren't a naturally evolved intelligent species, though. They're artificially created cannon fodder with an expected life span of a few years because their only purpose is to throw their lives away for the founders. So might be the Ocampa. It's irrelevant to the point. Klingons having long adult lives is similarly irrelevant to when they become adults
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Jul 3, 2019 01:21
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Isometric Bacon posted:I think part of the reason TNG is so great is the man's early influence over it, even if it eventually succeeded in spite of him. Exactly. Fully Automated Gay Space Luxury Communism with no money was 100% Roddenberry, just like the idea of a multinational male/female starship crew 20 years prior. Timby posted:I think the one thing that Roddenberry deserves absolute credit for on TNG is restricting references to the original series heavily during the early seasons (outside of Admiral McCoy's cameo), because the show needed to stand on its own two feet. We've seen what happens when shows dive heavily into fan-service and continuity wanking (S4 of Enterprise, Disco, looking right at you). Angry_Ed posted:Literally the third episode of the series was a rehash of a TOS episode. Yeah but overall the connections were so vague it was like S1 of RTD Doctor Who--is it a reboot, or is it a continuation? I personally favor canon heavy stuff but I can't argue against the fact that it allowed the show to establish it's own identity. Powered Descent posted:Perhaps the surgery isn't an absolute requirement, but the modern (surgical) method has a lower mortality rate and is FAR less painful than the old rip-through-the-skin-with-your-teeth method. Sort of like how present-day humans use dentistry, or obstetrics. Medieval Trill Bio 101: "The Symbiont makes it's way through the ear, and wraps around the cerebral cortex. This has the effect of rendering the host highly susceptible to bragging about past lives."
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Jul 3, 2019 01:22
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:You kinda see a glimmer of that when Kes suddenly has beach curls and a catsuit. This was more because she was tired of her short wig and ears makeup, it just also had an unintended side effect of making her look older right before they wrote a really good episode about her with time travel Benjamin Button disease and then kicked her off because the show was failing and they needed titties to save it.
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Jul 3, 2019 01:25
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Wasn't there a DS9 episode where they went to the cave where the trill worms used to burrow into people's necks thousands of years ago? I thought "surgery makes all of this way less likely to kill anyone" was cannon.
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Jul 3, 2019 01:51
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Comrade Fakename posted:Kind of amazing it was Kes who turned out to be a sex offender. Ethan Philips is a nice cool dude, he deserves no affiliation with neelix
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Jul 3, 2019 01:51
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Angry_Ed posted:Literally the third episode of the series was a rehash of a TOS episode. That's more due to them being hard-up for scripts than anything else.
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Jul 3, 2019 02:11
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Nodosaur posted:Biologically, the Trill fall apart when you reach the premise that two species evolved together to have a symbiotic relationship that requires surgery. There's no way such a thing could arise in nature, but by god drat, they want us to believe that anyway. What I wonder is, was there some kind of clade of proto-Trills that the symbiotes could engage with? Was symbiosis of this sort wide-spread in the Trill ecology? Do they work like the Pandronians?
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Jul 3, 2019 02:11
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Comrade Fakename posted:Kind of amazing it was Kes who turned out to be a sex offender. ... uh... #feminism?
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Jul 3, 2019 02:30
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Nodosaur posted:There's lots of problems with Neelix's character in the earlier season regarding his relationship with Kes, but calling him an abuser is going a bit too far, and he and Kes work out their issues and move apart from each other more or less maturely He's a gaslighting control freak at first but I'll admit that he gets better and it wasn't predatory as much as extreme neckbeard insecurity
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Jul 3, 2019 02:37
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Tears In A Vial posted:she's three years old She was one and a half (and that half is debatable) in the first season. What's the difference, it's still just as gross if she was three, you may say (as a sane person would)? Well, if Ocampa age at roughly ten times the rate humans do... ...and it's a plot point that she hasn't even gone through puberty yet in a later season... I mean, Neelix was absolutely 100% molesting an Ocampa prepubescent teenager (and even 'teenager', rather than 'preteen' is dubious). But she's clearly a physically adult mature woman, some say! Well, I say that's only because the show's writers/producers knew they couldn't get away with casting a preteen girl as her actor! Truly, Gene's legacy lived on well past his death. (I feel bad for Ethan Phillips, he's a good actor, and a decent guy, from all accounts. I saw him as a medic in Glory the other day and recognized him immediately.)
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Jul 3, 2019 05:13
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The Bloop posted:Also telepathy may well make up for short lifespans if they can matrix dump rote knowledge and every moment can be in pursuit of new experiences Also, the Jem'Hadar don't actually seem to have an abnormally short lifespan, they just all die before they make it to "Honored Elder" status. The guy bringing it up is eight, and he clearly doesn't think he's anywhere near said elder status. The Second in The Ship was, what, in his mid-twenties? I mean, maybe they do naturally die fairly young, like, in their thirties or whatever. Still not UNDER loving TEN YEARS OLD. ...which could be a Neelix Porno title.
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Jul 3, 2019 05:17
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The Bloop posted:He's a gaslighting control freak at first but I'll admit that he gets better and it wasn't predatory as much as extreme neckbeard insecurity Man, I went through the experience of being groomed as a teenager and was given some extremely hosed up values and behaviors of my own that tormented me for most of my adult life that I'm still dealing with in therapy and struggling to make ammends for, and this comparison seriously bothers me. I don't want to make anyone feel bad, but I don't think I can continue with this.
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Jul 3, 2019 05:26
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Comrade Fakename posted:Kind of amazing it was Kes who turned out to be a sex offender. Hahaha Senor Tron posted:I'm always sad they got rid of Kes, because the idea of seeing her entire lifespan over the course of the show was great. It would never have worked though, since the show wasn't allowed to have story arcs. Sometimes I imagine the actors going up to Rick Berman: "I wanna leave the show." Berman: "you can't leave. Nobody leaves." *gets a gun out of his desk drawer* "the viewers wouldn't understand."
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Jul 3, 2019 06:32
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EimiYoshikawa posted:She was one and a half (and that half is debatable) in the first season.
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Jul 3, 2019 15:37
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No one cares about the Neelix thing, no one even cares about Voyager
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Jul 3, 2019 15:49
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Pick posted:No one cares about the Neelix thing, no one even cares about Voyager 
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Jul 3, 2019 16:02
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Computer, create a reptile capable of defeating Data.
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Jul 3, 2019 16:08
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Angry_Ed posted:Computer, create a reptile capable of defeating Data.  Computer, make this a metal iguana, and incline the top 30 degrees. 
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Jul 3, 2019 17:51
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Angry_Ed posted:Computer, create a reptile capable of defeating a franchise. 
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Jul 4, 2019 01:35
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Angry_Ed posted:Computer, create a reptile capable of defeating Data. 
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Jul 4, 2019 01:47
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C'mon, man, that's an amphibian.
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Jul 4, 2019 04:37
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McNally posted:C'mon, man, that's an amphibian.  what now? 
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Jul 4, 2019 05:40
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Computer, delete the lizard.
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Jul 4, 2019 06:40
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I've started watching Next Generation due to never bothering with Trek and it being on netflix, and I'm onto the second season. I overall enjoyed the first season although skipped episode 3 on recommendation due to it apparently being incredible racist. The season 2 episode "The Outrageous Okana" the only one I've had to stop partway through though because my god Data's subplot in that one is the most annoying thing I've ever seen (I had to stop when he meets the old comedian in the holodeck because their Jerry Lewis impersonation was insufferable).
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Jul 4, 2019 06:57
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Season 2 is decent, and Season 3 is arguably the show's best.
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Whenever I hear about kirk and uhura deliberately loving up the non-kiss takes of the famous moment, I just think of this sketch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6NUQeb5noM
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