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Shame Boy posted:Why not pay $80k or $100k to the people who have to put up with little shits with rear end in a top hat parents all day and who our future as a species in no small way directly depends on huh? What a crazy world that would be!!! Anyone have that meme where someone did some back-of-the-napkin math about the cost of daycare and what if we paid the daycare cost x classroom size to teachers and it comes out somewhere in the 150k range? It's dumb, but also good for slapping down poo poo like this.
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Has to be 150k per month
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at daycare rates, according to last year's enrollment my highschool would be hypothetically pulling in just shy of $3mil per month, split among 85 faculty that would be ~$416k per teacher annually
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Jul 3, 2019 16:58
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 "supply and Demand" comment in there, unironically.
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Bombadilillo posted:
The best part is you just know that dude also hates it when teachers try to take control of the supply by going on strike too
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labor has no value unless it's pasting code from stackoverflow
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Ruffian Price posted:labor has no value unless it's pasting code from stackoverflow labor has no value unless it is a straight white male performing it
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Jul 3, 2019 19:32
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The cheapest, legal, private childcare you could get in NZ is a minimum wage babysitter looking after your 1.9 (NZ average) children. So if that money went directly to teachers instead it'd be $1341/day or $279k/year for the 200 days of school. And that's with my smaller than average class of 25 kids. I earn $54k/year. Even if you want to put the cost of property rental onto the teachers, that'd only knock $25k off my salary for an equivalent 60m2 office space.
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Unfortunately this is the literal same argument that libertarians and neolibs make for wanting to privatise education though, so vOv
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Jul 3, 2019 20:17
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considering that public education is clearly much cheaper than private libertarians would appear to be getting owned
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Peanut President posted:considering that public education is clearly much cheaper than private libertarians would appear to be getting owned considering that the government owns public education and therefore owns your FREEDOM it would appear that it is you who are getting cucked 
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Warmachine posted:considering that the government owns public education and therefore owns your FREEDOM it would appear that it is you who are getting cucked dear god 
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Just checked out at the grocery store and when my card was "approved" the card reader started playing the star spangled banner and just lmao.
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Jul 4, 2019 17:37
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That's violence
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Moridin920 posted:That's violence I certainly felt violated.
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Jul 4, 2019 18:12
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The district I went to high school in had the lowest paid teachers in the state and the highest paid administration. 
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https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/trump-received-750000-of-fourth-of-july-fireworks-scrapped-tariffs-2019-7-1028330506 I'm sure there's no collusion
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Peanut President posted:considering that public education is clearly much cheaper than private libertarians would appear to be getting owned I think there’s a mix of conscious and unconscious reasoning for hatred of public education Part of it is just the hatred of taxes and seeing undesirables getting a no cost education, especially since the wealthy will just pay for their children to go to private school so why should they have to contribute at all I think they also have a conscious or unconscious need for people to “earn” their education so they want them to have to directly pay for it and even more likely go into debt for it. This also means those people are at a disadvantage and will be more subservient to the whims of capital and easier to squeeze
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I’ve spoken to some retired people who honestly believe that they should not pay tax for education because they’re not using it until the boomer population swell is worked out this will continue to be a huge issue
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A guy I know rides the train to get to work every day and voted against an expansion because he only uses the train on the last leg and the expansion wouldn't go to him directly. Because TAXES.
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T-man posted:
Y'all some selfish mother fuckers aren'cha. Maybe we should rebrand taxes. Price-of-Freedom.
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My smallish city failed to pass a small property tax so schools didnt have to cut programs. (Cause a similar vote passed 10 years ago and was going to lapse) Bunch of retired boomers out with signs for weeks NO NEW TAXES. And the debate turned into, if this was a "new" tax or continuing an "existing tax". And not if this was a thing to communally spend money on. You know. Kids education.it failed by literally 40 votes. Thanks boomers, gently caress the kids.
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If the dems ever get back into power in the US why don't they just massively expand the defense budget and start implementing their social programs through that? Rebrand everything "social" or "state" to "military" or "defense". Bam, food stamps are gone. Now we're just expanding army rations to civilians in need, because how can the nation be strong if the population is hungry? Do away with federal/state housing projects, those are now civilian barracks. Free college tuition? Absolutely not, but funding for tertiary level intelligence, so the citizenry can contribute their diverse skills to defense of the nation? Definitely. And how can the nation be strong without a healthy population? Boom, military funding for civilians to use at hospitals everywhere. Don't like these changes? Respect are troops you traitor. Just loving lean right into your inevitable descent to fascism is what I'm saying.
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bike tory posted:If the dems ever get back into power in the US why don't they just massively expand the defense budget and start implementing their social programs through that? Rebrand everything "social" or "state" to "military" or "defense". Bam, food stamps are gone. Now we're just expanding army rations to civilians in need, because how can the nation be strong if the population is hungry? Do away with federal/state housing projects, those are now civilian barracks. Free college tuition? Absolutely not, but funding for tertiary level intelligence, so the citizenry can contribute their diverse skills to defense of the nation? Definitely. And how can the nation be strong without a healthy population? Boom, military funding for civilians to use at hospitals everywhere. Don't like these changes? Respect are troops you traitor. An American Utopia: Dual Power and the Universal Army is a whole book basically about this from a left perspective
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:An American Utopia: Dual Power and the Universal Army is a whole book basically about this from a left perspective I just googled that and it sounds from the brief synopsis like the author is advocating straight up Stalinism
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bike tory posted:I just googled that and it sounds from the brief synopsis like the author is advocating straight up Stalinism It's just drafting literally everyone and working out the rest from there. I don't think the author actually believes any of it.
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bike tory posted:If the dems ever get back into power in the US why don't they just massively expand the defense budget and start implementing their social programs through that? Rebrand everything "social" or "state" to "military" or "defense". Bam, food stamps are gone. Now we're just expanding army rations to civilians in need, because how can the nation be strong if the population is hungry? Do away with federal/state housing projects, those are now civilian barracks. Free college tuition? Absolutely not, but funding for tertiary level intelligence, so the citizenry can contribute their diverse skills to defense of the nation? Definitely. And how can the nation be strong without a healthy population? Boom, military funding for civilians to use at hospitals everywhere. Don't like these changes? Respect are troops you traitor. Dems are pretty loving right wing right now.
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bike tory posted:If the dems ever get back into power in the US why don't they just massively expand the defense budget and start implementing their social programs through that? Rebrand everything "social" or "state" to "military" or "defense". Bam, food stamps are gone. Now we're just expanding army rations to civilians in need, because how can the nation be strong if the population is hungry? Do away with federal/state housing projects, those are now civilian barracks. Free college tuition? Absolutely not, but funding for tertiary level intelligence, so the citizenry can contribute their diverse skills to defense of the nation? Definitely. And how can the nation be strong without a healthy population? Boom, military funding for civilians to use at hospitals everywhere. Don't like these changes? Respect are troops you traitor. because it's completely incompatible with their ideology. it's like asking why the nazis needed to keep starting wars
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Hey guys just curious but why doesn't the semi fascist capitalist party with Woke Branding switch to command economy socialism.
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bike tory posted:If the dems ever get back into power in the US why don't they just massively expand the defense budget and start implementing their social programs through that? Rebrand everything "social" or "state" to "military" or "defense". Bam, food stamps are gone. Now we're just expanding army rations to civilians in need, because how can the nation be strong if the population is hungry? Do away with federal/state housing projects, those are now civilian barracks. Free college tuition? Absolutely not, but funding for tertiary level intelligence, so the citizenry can contribute their diverse skills to defense of the nation? Definitely. And how can the nation be strong without a healthy population? Boom, military funding for civilians to use at hospitals everywhere. Don't like these changes? Respect are troops you traitor. the dems wont use clever tricks to give everyone food, health care, and housing because the dems dont want to give everyone food, health care, and housing
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Um just to be clear I was being facetious. I'm not seriously suggesting that the US become a military state. Jesus goons
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both the dems and repubs invest in the same stock market , but if you could break that bond anything could happen
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Larry Parrish posted:Hey guys just curious but why doesn't the semi fascist capitalist party with Woke Branding switch to command economy socialism. Yeah uhhh I'm certain he wasn't being serious with that proposal, dude. Did you think Jonathan Swift was barracking for the literal consumption of people, too? e: fb
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bike tory posted:Um just to be clear I was being facetious. I'm not seriously suggesting that the US become a military state. You can never be sure in Space Year Two Thousand and Nineteen
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Don't worry we'll become a military state eventually anyway and they won't even give us free stuff for our trouble!
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My favorite thing that happened on the fourth of July was the F-35 flyover getting cancelled because of rain 
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Shame Boy posted:My favorite thing that happened on the fourth of July was the F-35 flyover getting cancelled because of rain Beautiful. bike tory posted:Um just to be clear I was being facetious. I'm not seriously suggesting that the US become a military state. I dunno. The idea of pulling the wool over the jingoists' eyes by re-branding all civilian social programs as national defense programs sounds appealing if it wouldn't be immediately abused to start more wars in the Middle East/South America. Unfortunately you can't trust an imperialist military power to not be imperialist with its military power.
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Jel Shaker posted:I’ve spoken to some retired people who honestly believe that they should not pay tax for education because they’re not using it Look just because I and my 5 kids went public school for 12 years doesn’t mean I need to PAY for it
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The Nastier Nate posted:Look just because I and my 5 kids went public school for 12 years doesn’t mean I need to PAY for it I paid my taxes while they were in school, what more do you want???
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