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18 | 1.46% |
| Bernie Sanders, the Hand Flailer |
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665 | 54.11% |
| Elizabeth Warren, the Plan Maker |
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319 | 25.96% |
| Kamala Harris, the Cop Lord |
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26 | 2.12% |
| Cory Booker, the Super Hero Wannabe |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Julian Castro, the Twin |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Kirsten Gillibrand, the Franken Killer |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Pete Buttigieg, the Troop Sociopath |
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17 | 1.38% |
| Robert Francis O'Rourke, the Fake Latino |
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3 | 0.24% |
| Jay Inslee, the Climate Alarmist |
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8 | 0.65% |
| Marianne Williamson, the Crystal Queen |
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86 | 7.00% |
| Tulsi Gabbard, the Muslim Hater |
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23 | 1.87% |
| Andrew Yang, the $1000 Fool |
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32 | 2.60% |
| Eric Swalwell, the Insurance Wife Guy |
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2 | 0.16% |
| Amy Klobuchar, the Comb Enthusiast |
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1 | 0.08% |
| Bill de Blasio, the NYPD Most Hated |
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4 | 0.33% |
| Tim Ryan, the Dope Face |
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3 | 0.24% |
| John Hickenlooper, the Also Ran |
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7 | 0.57% |
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twodot posted:I personally find the predictive claims to be super tedious. Like how am I supposed to engage with whatever sort of divination you are practicing? The end of the primaries is about a year out and you think that you have personal knowledge of the future events over the next year that needs to be shared with the world? How absurdly arrogant! There is just flatly no way to falsify "I think Biden will win" so what sort of discussion is that supposed to prompt? I mean, that's fine, if you don't like "what do you think is gonna happen in the primary" talk, you don't have to engage in it? But it's clearly something of interest to a number of posters and relevant to the thread and we've got a long loving year ahead of us?
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https://twitter.com/ZackFinkNews/status/1146581578077888513 Oh my God...  Well, hopefully the rest of the votes will push Caban ahead, please God?
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Jul 4, 2019 02:27
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Z. Autobahn posted:I mean, that's fine, if you don't like "what do you think is gonna happen in the primary" talk, you don't have to engage in it? But it's clearly something of interest to a number of posters and relevant to the thread and we've got a long loving year ahead of us?
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Jul 4, 2019 02:29
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twodot posted:Equally calling out boring people who can't be bothered to put their money where their mouth is is of interest to posters and relevant to the thread, so we've got to resolve that difference of opinion somehow. You could start that process by answering my question of what sort of discussion you think "I think Biden will win" is supposed to provoke. Are you expecting "I think Biden won't win" or "I agree that Biden will win"? Something else? I mean we've had tons of discussions like this so I'm not sure where the confusion is coming from? "I think Biden will win because he's got a commanding lead" "Naw, Biden will implode once the debates start but that'll mostly benefit Harris" "I don't think so, a lot of Biden's support will go to Bernie" etc etc? Like, I'm confused by your confusion. People have arguments about how things will play out all the time, whether it's politics, sports, or the finale of Game of Thrones? It's... one of the more common forms of discussion? Like obviously it's not JUST "Biden will win", it's why you think that, why someone disagrees, etc? Majorian posted:Well, hopefully the rest of the votes will push Caban ahead, please God? They said all the votes are counted, but there's still hope in a recount? Z. Autobahn fucked around with this message at 02:34 on Jul 4, 2019 |
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Jul 4, 2019 02:32
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Z. Autobahn posted:I mean we've had tons of discussions like this so I'm not sure where the confusion is coming from? "I think Biden will win because he's got a commanding lead" "Naw, Biden will implode once the debates start but that'll mostly benefit Harris" "I don't think so, a lot of Biden's support will go to Bernie" etc etc? Like, I'm confused by your confusion. People have arguments about how things will play out all the time, whether it's politics, sports, or the finale of Game of Thrones? It's... one of the more common forms of discussion? edit: Maybe I can distill this better. What do you think is better in a politics forum: A discussion on why candidates are good or bad and who we must work to promote and who we must fight or A discussion where people make up unfalsifiable reasons future events may or may not happen? I propose the second, while interesting to many people, has no reason to live next to actual politics and should exist alongside people arguing about sports and Game of Thrones. If you would seek out to muddle real advocacy with odds making I don't see why anyone should count you an ally. twodot fucked around with this message at 02:57 on Jul 4, 2019 |
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Jul 4, 2019 02:37
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Z. Autobahn posted:They said all the votes are counted, but there's still hope in a recount? Yeah, I misread some timestamps, so I thought there were actually some more stuff up in the air. https://twitter.com/chrisychung/status/1146431155954077697 https://twitter.com/chrisychung/status/1146587707231150081 Again, I'm not a conspiracy monger, but a lot of people are going to feel pretty loving cheated if Caban doesn't win the recount.
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Jul 4, 2019 02:37
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"ruled invalid" that is a hell of a margin to clear on so few ballots
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Jul 4, 2019 02:43
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Real loving neato watching the Queens democrats pull a “one weird trick to win elections, liberals hate it!” in real-time.
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Jul 4, 2019 02:58
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Oh no will Malinda Katz qualify for the next debate ahead of the crystal lady?
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Jul 4, 2019 03:13
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twodot posted:Maybe I can distill this better. What do you think is better in a politics forum: A discussion on why candidates are good or bad and who we must work to promote and who we must fight or A discussion where people make up unfalsifiable reasons future events may or may not happen? I propose the second, while interesting to many people, has no reason to live next to actual politics and should exist alongside people arguing about sports and Game of Thrones. If you would seek out to muddle real advocacy with odds making I don't see why anyone should count you an ally. I mean, I see zero reason the two can't co-exist, but also it's not like this thread is some sort of hotbed for rational debate on which candidates are good or bad given that any opinion short of "Bernie is the alpha and the omega and Warren is a fascist Reaganite" is deluged in shitposts. Like sure if we had a bunch of genuine Biden advocates or whatever, there'd maybe be some actual debate, but given that the only meaningful disagreement is if someone loves Bernie or SUPER-loves Bernie, it's weird to present it as the former anyway. Like if you want a thread for leftist advocacy and action or a Campaigning For Bernie thread, I think that's valid and you should make it, but I think discussing what we think will happen in the Dem primary is an entirely reasonable use of the Dem primary thread. Z. Autobahn fucked around with this message at 04:03 on Jul 4, 2019 |
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Jul 4, 2019 04:00
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Jul 4, 2019 04:09
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Yeah I would prefer if the Bernie stans got their own little fiefdom, and this thread could be reserved for horse race aficionados (we're all smoking cigars)
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Calibanibal posted:Yeah I would prefer if the Bernie stans got their own little fiefdom, and this thread could be reserved for horse race aficionados (we're all smoking cigars) Unironically this
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Jul 4, 2019 04:16
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I'm in favor of Z Autobahn being quarantined to his own thread, personally
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Jul 4, 2019 04:26
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While certainly interesting and important, the Queens DA race is not relevant to this thread.
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Jul 4, 2019 04:35
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Lightning Knight posted:While certainly interesting and important, the Queens DA race is not relevant to this thread. Well, hold on a second - are we stipulating that this thread is just for 2020 primaries, just for the presidential primaries, or something else? Because if you just want it for 2020 races, fair enough, but I don't think we should exclude downticket races from this thread. (I'm not trying to be cute, this is an important thing to stipulate)
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Jul 4, 2019 04:41
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Lightning Knight posted:While certainly interesting and important, the Queens DA race is not relevant to this thread. I mean, in the sense that it's a sign how the establishment will openly rig things when they can get away with it I'd say it is, but fair.
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Jul 4, 2019 04:42
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Majorian posted:Well, hold on a second - are we stipulating that this thread is just for 2020 primaries, just for the presidential primaries, or something else? Because if you just want it for 2020 races, fair enough, but I don't think we should exclude downticket races from this thread. We’ve clarified this before but this thread is explicitly, exclusively for the presidential primaries, which is why that is the only thing in the OP. It is not in the title because that makes the title too long, and because it is usually understood in this forum that when you say “the Democratic primary” without qualification it means the presidential one. The State and Local Thread is where that goes.
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Jul 4, 2019 04:45
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sexpig by night posted:I mean, in the sense that it's a sign how the establishment will openly rig things when they can get away with it I'd say it is, but fair. Yeah fwiw what I said earlier about being suspicious when something suspicious happens, this is that something suspicious
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Lightning Knight posted:We’ve clarified this before but this thread is explicitly, exclusively for the presidential primaries, which is why that is the only thing in the OP. It is not in the title because that makes the title too long, and because it is usually understood in this forum that when you say “the Democratic primary” without qualification it means the presidential one. Cool, works for me. e: for some content: https://twitter.com/davidsirota/status/1146520655480983552 They really aren't even trying to be subtle about it at this point. Majorian fucked around with this message at 05:22 on Jul 4, 2019 |
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Jul 4, 2019 04:46
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Oh Snapple! posted:And what the hell is this You're in the succ thread, friend.
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Jul 4, 2019 05:44
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This is such a weird thing for her to say. Is it just kind of a lawyer mental tic that she's exhibiting when she does this? "Oops, that thing that I said last week that everybody loved? Yeah, the opposite of that."
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Majorian posted:This is such a weird thing for her to say. Is it just kind of a lawyer mental tic that she's exhibiting when she does this? "Oops, that thing that I said last week that everybody loved? Yeah, the opposite of that." It’s the tell tale sign of terminal Consultantitis.
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Jul 4, 2019 06:25
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Harris is a sociopathic monster, her retaining power alone is a damning indictment of this country.
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Jul 4, 2019 06:25
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Majorian posted:Cool, works for me. Oh NOW I get why this thread is feverishly posting polls every page that mean nothing
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Jul 4, 2019 08:43
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harris knows exactly what she's doing. she knows nobody will notice her backtrack on any of this. how many people know she invited aipac to her office after making a big show of skipping the conference? gonna be awful if biden does get knocked out but we're stuck with her.
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Jul 4, 2019 10:26
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Thing is, by winning that debate, she's put a target on her back. Yeah, most of the knives are still going to have Biden's name on them, but you can rest assured that there are a few being sharpened for Harris as well now.
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the_steve posted:Thing is, by winning that debate, she's put a target on her back. As there should be.
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Z. Autobahn posted:imho this is a pretty bad poll for anyone but Biden, because it's the only poll that shows the debates not having a meaningful effect. Like if all polls showed this, the conclusion would be "Biden is invincible" One thing that's often forgotten in this thread is that Bernie's main strategy for the primary is to upend the traditional likely voter model. If, as the polls predict with their weighing, the vast majority of 2020 primary voters will skew extremely old, college educated, and wealthy, Bernie will likely lose. If, however, his campaign succeeds in firing up young people and the working class, a lot of states will end up looking like 2016 Michigan. With that perspective in mind, I'd say that seeing Bernie this close to Biden with traditional likely voters is not a bad sign.
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Jul 4, 2019 11:25
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i never voted in a primary until sanders ran in 2016.
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Office Pig posted:Harris is a sociopathic monster, her retaining power alone is a damning indictment of this country. more like a stone cold sadist she can emote, but she delights in punishment because in her eyes, all crimes are equal because as she says it, she doesn't feel sorry if you commit some infraction on society no matter how minor, you absolutely must be punished for it. already voiced my disgust in the better politics forum and honestly, she terrifies me because her track record indicates that she absolutely would crack down as president, HARD.
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Jul 4, 2019 12:56
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https://twitter.com/niktaylorde/status/1145281507449286656 thank u, next~
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its laughable that Kamala had a teachable moment on the national stage to Joe Biden since she gleefully used the 1994 Crime Bill that Joe Biden helped sign to boost her career by wielding the law like a machine gun because she's a freaken cop they're all in on it together and don't want to change a loving thing, its absolutely stunning. Whatever ideal notion you had about liberalism returning a "balance" has been since long gone and left to the loving wolves and they're all just raiding American communities to profit off your misery under the guise of bipartisanship
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Barring a huge surge before the cutoff that apparently kicks in around July 10(?) for some bizarre reason as opposed to the week or day prior to the split debates at the literal end of the month, at least the Gravel campaign is going to push what remainder funds they have towards donations to Flint and whatnot---as well as perhaps some sort of foundation to keep the general message going as something of a spiritual successor to Gravel's desperate bid for NI4D. He probably isn't in the full scope of debate history, but I like to think that he was indeed the only candidate to wind up taking the bus to get to what debates he could out of sheer necessity~ Insane to think what kind of burn through and outright waste totals the fundraising on the whole is going to amount to this time around---even for just the primary when reckoning the kind of money even the likes of Mayor Pete managing to wring out.
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Lastgirl posted:more like a stone cold sadist She's not just a cop she's a prosecutor Think about what it takes to look at the current American criminal justice system and go "yes, that's good. That is a system that is working. We should sacrifice more lives on its altar."
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ExiledTinkerer posted:Insane to think what kind of burn through and outright waste totals the fundraising on the whole is going to amount to this time around---even for just the primary when reckoning the kind of money even the likes of Mayor Pete managing to wring out. That's mostly rich people money, though. Can't say I'm feeling too sorry for them when they let themselves get grifted.
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Majorian posted:This is such a weird thing for her to say. Is it just kind of a lawyer mental tic that she's exhibiting when she does this? "Oops, that thing that I said last week that everybody loved? Yeah, the opposite of that." every single democrat is terrified of giving an actual straight response and instead falls back onto some mealy-mouthed garbage like "well, busing is in our toolbox, and it all must be considered carefully" good thing that bernie is not a democrat
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