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Finally, a game about efficiently shipping cats to the New World!
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Jul 5, 2019 14:32
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If anyone wants to give it a go, there is apparently a trial session taking place in Bristol in the UK. https://www.facebook.com/events/1537586146416937/
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Jul 8, 2019 13:01
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Heists just unlocked its 6th bonus heist, and it looks like we're on track to get all 10 for a grand total of 35 Heists in the book! Also I went ahead and ordered some more map, peep; 
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Jul 9, 2019 00:34
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Well, I guess a Shovel Knight board game was inevitable.
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Jul 9, 2019 02:48
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After the space invaders board game, anything is possible.
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Jul 9, 2019 02:59
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They did a very nice job with the original Kickstarter for the game. Would hope that this is just as nice. My son really enjoys Shovel Knight, so I will have to look into it.
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Jul 9, 2019 03:05
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My love of Shovel Knight is wrestling with my dislike of roll-to-succeed minis games filled with multiple random components. Random loot tiles with random values! Random draw equipment/gear cards! Random monster spawns! Roll to do anything other than move, or your turn is useless or actively detrimental to you! Hooray!
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Jul 9, 2019 03:39
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Slimnoid posted:Well, I guess a Shovel Knight board game was inevitable. not saying shovel knight is bad, but it is in everything these days also the propeller rats are too cutesyfied, they need to look more like the game version to capture that "well this is silly" feel 
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Jul 9, 2019 10:05
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As mentioned in the TG industry thread, Stygian Fox's Innsmouth '86 Kickstarter got suspended by Kickstarter. The timeline seems to go like this: - Stygian Fox run a bunch of Kickstarters, mostly Call of Cthulhu-related. Some of them deliver just fine. Some have outstanding stretch goals to deliver. Some haven't shipped their main goal yet - of these, some haven't hit their estimated shipping date yet, whilst others are a bit more shameful. (The generic fantasy setting Distant Realms is over two years late and communication on the project has been trash.) - Kickstarter actually introduced a rule a couple of years ago that you aren't meant to start a new Kickstarter when you have old projects still unfulfilled; irked by perceived poor communication from Stygian Fox and alarmed at the sight of them establishing additional Kickstarter obligations for themselves before the old ones are met, people on the Yog-Sothoth.com forums have a chat about it and some decide to report the project to Kickstarter. - In an astonishing departure from form, Kickstarter actually enforce the rule in question. - Stephanie from Stygian Fox hops on Yog-Sothoth.com, clearly deeply upset about all this and talks about how it now won't be possible to do things like the planned mass refund of Distant Realms backers on the planned schedule because she'll have to use the Patreon money to keep the lights on and support herself rather than putting it towards the old Kickstarter projects. This seems to sit awkwardly with her earlier statements that she wasn't using new Kickstarter income to cover the obligations of previous Kickstarters (if the new Kickstarter income wasn't needed to cover those obligations, why would the cancellation of Innsmouth '86 affect them?). - YSDC forumites are actually nice enough that even the ones who complained to Kickstarter are willing to boost their Patreon pledges and the like in order to help Stygian Fox get over this hump. - Stephanie makes comments on Facebook accusing YSDC in general, and forum admin Paul of Cthulhu specifically, of plotting Stygian Fox's downfall - this despite the fact that Paul never said he was reporting Stygian Fox to Kickstarter whilst other people clearly held their hands up and said "I threw in a report". The main thing to take away from this whole story is that prudent publishers should avoid running parallel Kickstarters for as long as this rule exists in its current form. It seems to be rarely and inconsistently applied, but that very inconsistency in and of itself seems to be a problem: if this rule gets enforced on Stygian Fox, an extremely small press even by the standards of TTRPGs where everyone who isn't Paizo or Wizards is basically a small press, but not enforced on, say Steve Jackson Games or Onyx Path or other bigger names who habitually get new Kickstarters on the go even when previous ones are unfulfilled, that seems ragingly unjust to me. The upshot: running a new Kickstarter when your old one is unfulfilled is a horrible risk under these circumstances. Either Kickstarter are going to be more consistent about enforcing the rule, which could be really bad news for you, or if they don't enforce the rule on you it will look like you're unfairly benefiting when other publishers are taking a hit, which isn't a good look. Late to the party on a couple of points but may as well address them now anyway... jivjov posted:Huh...that's handy. I guess I'm just used to the US where pretty much everything is caveat emptor at all times Jedit posted:By that point it was too late for most people. You're not allowed to withdraw a pledge in the last 24 hours if it would defund the project. Flavivirus posted:Hah, it’s all coming back to me now. The ridiculous royalties, the acquiring of every single game I had already made, the incredibly excessive first refusal period - even acquiring rights to the likeness of the ‘characters’ for an RPG with no signature characters??? - are all things they were trying to pull over 3 years ago. Thankfully I had a friendly Warthur to look over the contract and tell me it was absolute dreck.
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Jul 9, 2019 11:07
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Mode 7 posted:My love of Shovel Knight is wrestling with my dislike of roll-to-succeed minis games filled with multiple random components. Random loot tiles with random values! Random draw equipment/gear cards! Random monster spawns! Roll to do anything other than move, or your turn is useless or actively detrimental to you! Hooray! Yeah. As much as I love how goofy the Propeller Rats look (could you guess?), nothing about the game looks much fun to me.
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Jul 9, 2019 11:19
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Oh lovely, just found out my copy of the deluxe tiny epic mechs game got trashed by usps because they decided not to forward it to my new address so they just decided to throw it out. loving hell.
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Jul 9, 2019 11:26
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IncredibleIgloo posted:They did a very nice job with the original Kickstarter for the game. Would hope that this is just as nice. My son really enjoys Shovel Knight, so I will have to look into it. Yacht Club Games aren't responsible for designing this, just for lending the Shovel Knight IP to it. This is like assuming a video game movie will be good just because the video game itself was good.  The only other thing these guys seem to have made is this: http://pandacultgames.com/games/cult-of-barnacle-bay/ Lemon-Lime fucked around with this message at 11:29 on Jul 9, 2019 |
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Jul 9, 2019 11:27
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Fenris have a lovely Kickstarter on at the moment.... well "lovely"... rotty. A small one man band and good chum of mine. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/thecauldronwarband/fenris-games-the-cauldron-warband  
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Jul 9, 2019 13:30
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Warthur posted:The main thing to take away from this whole story is that prudent publishers should avoid running parallel Kickstarters for as long as this rule exists in its current form. It seems to be rarely and inconsistently applied, but that very inconsistency in and of itself seems to be a problem: if this rule gets enforced on Stygian Fox, an extremely small press even by the standards of TTRPGs where everyone who isn't Paizo or Wizards is basically a small press, but not enforced on, say Steve Jackson Games or Onyx Path or other bigger names who habitually get new Kickstarters on the go even when previous ones are unfulfilled, that seems ragingly unjust to me. The difference being that Steve Jackson and the people who did Nemesis actually fulfills their older campaigns rather than creating some kind of Kickstarter ponzi scheme. If they were using new campaigns to keep the lights on then it was only a matter of time before the whole thing imploded.
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Jul 9, 2019 14:20
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Yeah, I'm suddenly glad that the TORG Eternity people wait until the last cosm book is done before starting the next one. I'm told there's some stuff with shipping some items out on the last one, but I got the impression that's tariff-hijinks related and there's not much they can do.
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Jul 9, 2019 14:29
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Warthur posted:Really, now? I can see why Kickstarter would put that rule in, but equally it feels contrary to the general principle that your money isn't taken until the campaign ends. As I recall it, it was basically put in place because 4chan was trolling projects by making $10,000 pledges and then withdrawing them at the last minute.
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Jul 9, 2019 14:31
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Lemon-Lime posted:Yacht Club Games aren't responsible for designing this, just for lending the Shovel Knight IP to it. This is like assuming a video game movie will be good just because the video game itself was good. There was a post in the BG thread by someone who tried a demo of the game and it was mostly positive- the side scrolling part is good dumb fun where you weigh grabbing loot versus keeping up with the “screen”. The actual boss fight was weaker though.
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Jul 9, 2019 14:55
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Lemon-Lime posted:Yacht Club Games aren't responsible for designing this, just for lending the Shovel Knight IP to it. This is like assuming a video game movie will be good just because the video game itself was good.
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Jul 9, 2019 15:10
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Doctor Zero posted:The difference being that Steve Jackson and the people who did Nemesis actually fulfills their older campaigns rather than creating some kind of Kickstarter ponzi scheme. Thuryl posted:As I recall it, it was basically put in place because 4chan was trolling projects by making $10,000 pledges and then withdrawing them at the last minute.
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Jul 9, 2019 15:36
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Did somebody here say they've played Isle of Cats? I don't have a polyomino style game and was wondering if this is worth the money compared to something like Barenpark.
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Jul 9, 2019 17:10
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Warthur posted:On the other hand, you could argue that if your business is big enough and has the cashflow to keep the lights open without running multiple Kickstarters in parallel, then it is no detriment to you if the rule is enforced on you - whereas if you're small enough that the Kickstarter ponzi scheme "pay off Kickstarter 1 with Kickstarter 2 money" model looks attractive to you, then the earlier Kickstarter step in and stop you digging that hole the better it is for everyone. It's not abut the size of the company, or the resources, it's using Kickstarter as it's intended, and not as a way to bail out previously mismanaged Kickstarters. If any creator, company or no, can't fulfill a successful campaign, then I absolutely agree they have no business starting another one, going "no really, we pinky swear we will deliver this one!" But I wouldn't say Steve Jackson is exempt from risk. Would it harm them to have it enforced? Probably not, but at the same time they aren't exactly a huge company except by comparison. I'm sure they don't have $500k sitting around that they can throw at a project and hope it sells enough in retail. They kickstarted the big box Ogre game because they didn't really know if enough people would be interested in a big revamp of that game. I understand why they did that. At this point, I think they know well enough that it wouldn't harm them, but at the same time, why punish the successful. I admit I haven't read the rule, but I think what would be fair is a "you can't have multiple campaigns if you have anything more than 6 months past expected delivery." And then enforce it. That would keep the Ponzi schemes down while letting people who have proven they can hack it run multiple campaigns at once.
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Jul 9, 2019 17:31
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Not exactly crowdfunding, but an alternative funding model campaign through the game crafter. Not good if you want to make money as a creator, but good if you dont care about money and just want to get your game out there. https://www.thegamecrafter.com/crowdsale/iron-helm
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Jul 9, 2019 17:56
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As I've said in the other thread, if there's going to be exemptions from the rule for good behaviour or whatever, then there needs to be clearly outlined criteria for who gets that exemption and then it needs to be applied transparently and evenly - because at the moment we have no idea whether the criteria is something like "you run big money Kickstarters and we don't want to give up our 10% of that loot" or "Luke Crane likes your face".
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Jul 9, 2019 17:59
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nesbit37 posted:Not exactly crowdfunding, but an alternative funding model campaign through the game crafter. Not good if you want to make money as a creator, but good if you dont care about money and just want to get your game out there. I also agree making things creatively should never allow prople to actually make a living wage.
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Jul 9, 2019 18:43
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I agree people doing creative work should get a living wage. I am also aware some people are doing this as a side creative outlet and just want people to enjoy their stuff, and are happy to spend their time making these things and letting people essentially just have them (other than what Gamecrafter is charging to make them). This country is pretty messed up in how pretty much only fields or people that directly make money are deemed valuable by so many, which is a bunch of horseshit. Particularly as a librarian, I die a little inside every time I see people posting online that students should choose a major based on what will make them the most money or the most marketable rather than what they are excited about.
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Jul 9, 2019 18:50
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Can we talk for a minute about the absolute magic transpiring in the comments for the Hard Wired Island kickstarter where somehow a full-blown right-wing/libertarian wonk wound up backing a game transparently about how much capitalism sucks and that you should be gay and do crime and is now trying to convince people that technology can't possibly be misused as a tool of oppression while also suggesting that only people with high IQs should be sent to space so they "would breed true and not have low-IQ descendents to breed problems in the future." I don't think I've ever seen someone fail to read the room quite so hard before, it's almost impressive.
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Jul 9, 2019 20:44
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Kai Tave posted:Can we talk for a minute about the absolute magic transpiring in the comments for the Hard Wired Island kickstarter where somehow a full-blown right-wing/libertarian wonk wound up backing a game transparently about how much capitalism sucks and that you should be gay and do crime and is now trying to convince people that technology can't possibly be misused as a tool of oppression while also suggesting that only people with high IQs should be sent to space so they "would breed true and not have low-IQ descendents to breed problems in the future." I don't think I've ever seen someone fail to read the room quite so hard before, it's almost impressive. These are usually called "trolls" and they're pretty common on the internet.
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Jul 9, 2019 20:48
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Kai Tave posted:Can we talk for a minute about the absolute magic transpiring in the comments for the Hard Wired Island kickstarter where somehow a full-blown right-wing/libertarian wonk wound up backing a game transparently about how much capitalism sucks and that you should be gay and do crime and is now trying to convince people that technology can't possibly be misused as a tool of oppression while also suggesting that only people with high IQs should be sent to space so they "would breed true and not have low-IQ descendents to breed problems in the future." I don't think I've ever seen someone fail to read the room quite so hard before, it's almost impressive. what the gently caress
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Jul 9, 2019 20:49
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Zurai posted:These are usually called "trolls" and they're pretty common on the internet. Paying money for a kickstarter purely to troll the comments after pledging has closed and transactions are finalized is a hell of a commitment to the bit, if so. Literally "giving the libs my money to own the libs."
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Jul 9, 2019 20:49
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Serf posted:what the gently caress It’s a work of art.
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Jul 9, 2019 20:55
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Kai Tave posted:Can we talk for a minute about the absolute magic transpiring in the comments for the Hard Wired Island kickstarter where somehow a full-blown right-wing/libertarian wonk wound up backing a game transparently about how much capitalism sucks and that you should be gay and do crime and is now trying to convince people that technology can't possibly be misused as a tool of oppression while also suggesting that only people with high IQs should be sent to space so they "would breed true and not have low-IQ descendents to breed problems in the future." I don't think I've ever seen someone fail to read the room quite so hard before, it's almost impressive. As someone who works in the surveillance industry....bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Seriously, there is some deeply hosed up poo poo that China is doing with analytics and video in Xinjiang. Thankfully the products used don't work well but it's not even a hypothetical maybe it could be used for oppression. It is being used for oppression.
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Jul 9, 2019 21:07
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Kai Tave posted:Can we talk for a minute about the absolute magic transpiring in the comments for the Hard Wired Island kickstarter where somehow a full-blown right-wing/libertarian wonk wound up backing a game transparently about how much capitalism sucks and that you should be gay and do crime and is now trying to convince people that technology can't possibly be misused as a tool of oppression while also suggesting that only people with high IQs should be sent to space so they "would breed true and not have low-IQ descendents to breed problems in the future." I don't think I've ever seen someone fail to read the room quite so hard before, it's almost impressive.
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Jul 9, 2019 21:11
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Here's an excerpt for those playing along at home:
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Jul 9, 2019 21:15
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Redundant posted:Did somebody here say they've played Isle of Cats? I don't have a polyomino style game and was wondering if this is worth the money compared to something like Barenpark. I'm going to go to the demo session next week and will report back.
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Jul 9, 2019 21:16
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Kai Tave posted:Can we talk for a minute about the absolute magic transpiring in the comments for the Hard Wired Island kickstarter where somehow a full-blown right-wing/libertarian wonk wound up backing a game transparently about how much capitalism sucks and that you should be gay and do crime and is now trying to convince people that technology can't possibly be misused as a tool of oppression while also suggesting that only people with high IQs should be sent to space so they "would breed true and not have low-IQ descendents to breed problems in the future." I don't think I've ever seen someone fail to read the room quite so hard before, it's almost impressive. So like the plot of Moonraker?
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Jul 9, 2019 21:25
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MollyMetroid posted:Here's an excerpt for those playing along at home: drat, this is wild. Glad as hell I backed for sure.
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Jul 9, 2019 21:32
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Kai Tave posted:Paying money for a kickstarter purely to troll the comments after pledging has closed and transactions are finalized is a hell of a commitment to the bit, if so. Literally "giving the libs my money to own the libs." It's like ditching your order at the drive-thru after they've given you your change back but before they've given the food.
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Jul 9, 2019 21:53
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Didn't someone do something similar for the Blue Rose Kickstarter? Except they spent the I assume $200+ to get like a custom character published, and they chose some weird dig at SJWs. Which is far more effective a "got em" even if they just got refunded and dumped. Did this person even back at a level high enough to actively ruin the book, if for some bizarre reason Freyja and Ettin wanted to keep the money?
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Dawgstar posted:It's like ditching your order at the drive-thru after they've given you your change back but before they've given the food.
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