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Years ago in the county where I grew up there was a vote to limit class sizes to like, 25 kids max or something, and to pay for it there was going to be a half-cent sales tax increase, except stupidly they put them as separate votes on the ballot. Naturally everyone voted yes on the first one and no on the second one, despite the language making it perfectly clear that the second one was needed to pay for the first one. I think that was a perfect crystallization of the good ol' American spirit of "we generally want nice things to happen as long as we don't ever have to do even the smallest thing to get them" 
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Shame Boy posted:My favorite thing that happened on the fourth of July was the F-35 flyover getting cancelled because of rain good thing it never rains in countries we want to invade cloud seeding is the new iron dome
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Jul 5, 2019 16:15
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If you're wondering, yes, for the next like ten years there was a hard class size limit and no money to pay for it which was real fun.
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Jul 5, 2019 16:16
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Whoever split up the ballot positions like that knew what they were doing.
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Jul 5, 2019 16:17
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Moridin920 posted:Whoever split up the ballot positions like that knew what they were doing. Oh definitely, this is Florida, we have a long and storied tradition of loving with ballot stuff for wacky results that continues to this day. Just ask our many new state constitutional amendments that we just passed in 2018, like the one that gives death benefits to first-responders and also redefines and restricts the state college system, or the one which both bans offshore drilling and indoor vaping
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Jul 5, 2019 16:27
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All of them including the worst, stupidest ones passed except one that was basically just "give a free tax cut to property owners" which makes me a tiny bit happy at least. Also we passed a few good ones like giving people with past felony convictions the right to vote back (which the legislature is currently trying to gently caress up as much as possible) so that's kinda nice.
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Jul 5, 2019 16:33
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Jel Shaker posted:I’ve spoken to some retired people who honestly believe that they should not pay tax for education because they’re not using it this is the entire reason age 55+ communities exist, so they don't have to pay for schools old people suck
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Jul 5, 2019 16:40
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Jel Shaker posted:I’ve spoken to some retired people who honestly believe that they should not pay tax for education because they’re not using it My taxes shouldn't pay for Social Security or Medicare because I'm not using those.
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Jul 5, 2019 17:13
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Shame Boy posted:My favorite thing that happened on the fourth of July was the F-35 flyover getting cancelled because of rain why didnt they just tell trump they did it but he couldnt see them because the f-35 is literally invisible
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Jul 5, 2019 17:15
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Shame Boy posted:Years ago in the county where I grew up there was a vote to limit class sizes to like, 25 kids max or something, and to pay for it there was going to be a half-cent sales tax increase, except stupidly they put them as separate votes on the ballot. Naturally everyone voted yes on the first one and no on the second one, despite the language making it perfectly clear that the second one was needed to pay for the first one. I can't imagine a class size of over 25. I almost get run over by a class of 18.
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Jul 5, 2019 17:17
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spacetoaster posted:I can't imagine a class size of over 25. I almost get run over by a class of 18. The limit might have been lower, this was almost two decades ago, but I definitely remember a few stories of class sizes at the time being up in the low 30's. Apparently we now have a state law in effect as of 2011 that sets limits as: quote:18 students in prekindergarten through grade 3; But while looking that up I found out that back in the county I grew up: quote:In a strategic decision to save money, Brevard Public Schools allowed about 30 of its 82 schools to have more students per class than allowed by state law. For context Cocoa Beach is a relatively mixed-wealth skewing upper-middle place, Viera is a cookie-cutter house neighborhood that was made entirely by developers in the early 2000's full of awful white people families, and while Rockledge itself is full of rich people the much larger area around it that the school serves is a mostly poor region with lots of minorities. I'm sure that has nothing to do with anything though.
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Jul 5, 2019 17:35
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Why should I have to pay for things? In fact, why aren't you paying me instead? I deserve more
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Jul 5, 2019 17:39
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Zzulu posted:Why should I have to pay for things? Democracy only works until people figure out they can vote to give themselves all the money!!!
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Jul 5, 2019 17:41
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Shame Boy posted:The limit might have been lower, this was almost two decades ago, but I definitely remember a few stories of class sizes at the time being up in the low 30's. It's amazing what a major effect class size has on outcomes. I've got a buddy who teaches a 1st grade class of just 14 kids. Every one of those kids is well above standards simply because she's able to devote a significant amount of time to each child vs spending so much time on classroom management and just staying above water.
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Jul 5, 2019 18:02
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Shame Boy posted:The limit might have been lower, this was almost two decades ago, but I definitely remember a few stories of class sizes at the time being up in the low 30's. One thing I always chuckle about as a mathbrain person is how nakedly pointless fines like this are. It would be easy to set the fine as a function of the cost to actually comply with the law, but lolnope. Actually i don't chuckle about it it makes me angry.
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Jul 5, 2019 18:35
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Warmachine posted:One thing I always chuckle about as a mathbrain person is how nakedly pointless fines like this are. It would be easy to set the fine as a function of the cost to actually comply with the law, but lolnope. Yeah, but if you set the fines as a function of ability to pay or gain from violation, wealthy entities wouldn't be able to ignore them, and poor ones wouldn't be entirely hosed over by them. How is that American?!
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Jul 5, 2019 19:25
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Thanatosian posted:My taxes shouldn't pay for Social Security or Medicare because I'm not using those. the problem is they'd agree because plenty of these people think these things are savings accounts they're now drawing from and not insurance programs then again they probably don't know how insurance works either
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Jul 5, 2019 19:31
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https://twitter.com/JohnGHendy/status/1146062322265313280
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Jul 5, 2019 19:48
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really on track to every secular holiday being memorial day
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Jul 5, 2019 19:50
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I do wonder if it's a coincidence that that thing looks so much like a Panzer IV. 
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Jul 5, 2019 19:56
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Inept posted:this is the entire reason age 55+ communities exist, so they don't have to pay for schools That’s completely wrong. They still have to pay property (school) taxes for the municipality but they don’t add kids To the district so schools actually love them
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Jul 5, 2019 19:58
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The grocery store by my place had one of those only most of it was gone
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Jul 5, 2019 20:14
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symbolically dismantling the imperialist war machine by sharing good times with others
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Jul 5, 2019 21:04
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i always vote for the education and public transit millages and vote against the ones for the police. thats my policy thanks for listening
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Jul 5, 2019 21:45
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The New Zealand government recently assembled a working group, led by a former finance minister, who reviewed our tax system. After the group released their findings (recommending a capital gains tax among other things, same as every tax review in the last 30 years has done) the head of the working group said in an interview "everyone wants equality but no one wants to pay for it" and it basically summed up exactly what the government's cowardly response was to the recommendations
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Jul 5, 2019 21:54
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bike tory posted:Um just to be clear I was being facetious. I'm not seriously suggesting that the US become a military state. That would probably be an improvement but my point is that the Free Market Child Gulag party isnt going to be the ones to do it
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Jul 5, 2019 23:32
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bike tory posted:Um just to be clear I was being facetious. I'm not seriously suggesting that the US become a military state. Yes, it's just that everyone revers the military to an insane degree, the military budget is enormous and increasing every year and the US is involved in like seven wars at all times (remember the US soldiers that died in Niger in 2017, when everbody was asking themselves the question "We are fighting a war in Niger??")
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Jul 5, 2019 23:45
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Jul 6, 2019 01:05
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"The coal industry can't just regulate itself" huh? Checkmate, shitlibs. https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1147137164981035009?s=20
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Jul 6, 2019 01:21
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if this was just a giant box of ordinary sour patch kids I'd loving devour it
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Jul 6, 2019 01:24
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ReelBigLizard posted:"The coal industry can't just regulate itself" huh? Checkmate, shitlibs. a good start
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Jul 6, 2019 01:36
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Shame Boy posted:Years ago in the county where I grew up there was a vote to limit class sizes to like, 25 kids max or something, and to pay for it there was going to be a half-cent sales tax increase, except stupidly they put them as separate votes on the ballot. Naturally everyone voted yes on the first one and no on the second one, despite the language making it perfectly clear that the second one was needed to pay for the first one. 
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Jul 6, 2019 01:59
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ReelBigLizard posted:"The coal industry can't just regulate itself" huh? Checkmate, shitlibs. New Joker origin film looking good
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Jul 6, 2019 03:07
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Not gonna lie I wanna try those
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Jul 6, 2019 04:01
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Vomik posted:a good start Achievement Unlocked: Kill 1 Billionaire. 499 Ranks Remaining. The deaths that kind of wealth requires makes it not just ethical, but also carbon-negative!
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Jul 6, 2019 04:20
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Jul 6, 2019 07:11
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thats funny, they say you have to pay for toilet paper but it looks like theres some for free just taped to the wall right there
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Jul 6, 2019 07:13
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That looks like an april fools joke or something. A workplace making employees buy their own TP I can believe, but the 90c/sheet stretches credibility.
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Jul 6, 2019 07:21
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ah the glory of capitalism, grinding people to paste but hey we get like 50 different brandings of sweetened corn
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Jul 6, 2019 07:23
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Ow my teeth!
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