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shame on an IGA posted:I've really enjoyed trolling my family into blocking me on facebook by going "Wait let me ask the Cherokee burial ground in my backyard about that" every time they start up on some nativist bullshit How could that offend them since isn’t like everyone in the Midwest have a Cherokee princess relative?
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Jul 5, 2019 18:31
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LingcodKilla posted:Let’s rename them to Reservations. We could really be heading to a trail of tears 2.0 if the administration decides to ease overcrowding by leading people back over the border.
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Jul 5, 2019 18:33
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Just how many need to die in our wonderful happy fun time summer camps before we're comfortable calling them concentration camps?
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LingcodKilla posted:How could that offend them since isn’t like everyone in the Midwest have a Cherokee princess relative? Maybe but these are hick rear end southerners, they're not gonna play a card that makes them not-white
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Jul 5, 2019 18:35
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I'm sorry, but while you can didactically make an argument for quoting Webster or whatever at me to say that "concentration camp" is totally kosher to use for any form of forced-internment camp, and that the term has technically been in use since the 1900s, don't pretend to tell me that this has always been the popular understanding of the term. America - to this day - doesn't call the atrocities committed upon its own goddamn people of Japanese descent in the 40s "concentration camps", so don't throw the loving dictionary at me. Especially not when everyone's fine with the Swastika-comparisons of the Trump administration. gently caress this administration proper and all of the inhumane poo poo it wreaks, but stop hiding behind definitions to pretend you're not employing a hyperbole to drive a point home. Y'all drat well know what the gently caress kind of establishment you're talking about when you invoke "concentration camp". If you don't, feel free to visit one. Hell, I'll loving guide you around one myself. Book a trip to Germany, and I'll cover board and lodging, we'll take a quick trip to southeast of Katowice and then finish it up with another little detour northeast of Krakow. Jesus loving Christ.
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Jul 5, 2019 18:43
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I'm sorry we're delegitimizing your tourist attractions (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Duzzy Funlop posted:I'm sorry, but while you can didactically make an argument for quoting Webster or whatever at me to say that "concentration camp" is totally kosher to use for any form of forced-internment camp, and that the term has technically been in use since the 1900s, don't pretend to tell me that this has always been the popular understanding of the term. America - to this day - doesn't call the atrocities committed upon its own goddamn people of Japanese descent in the 40s "concentration camps", so don't throw the loving dictionary at me. Especially not when everyone's fine with the Swastika-comparisons of the Trump administration. They’re concentration camps.
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Jul 5, 2019 18:51
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We don’t need to go all the way to Germany to see the results of wiping out an entire race of people. It’s in our backyard. It’s what we do as a country if given any slack.
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Proud Christian Mom posted:I'm sorry we're delegitimizing your tourist attractions Sobibor, Belzec, Treblinka, Auschwitz Tourist attractions How do you live with yourself posting edgelord-poo poo like this, genuine question.
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Jul 5, 2019 18:56
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They're concentration camps. It just turns out concentration camps != genocide or systematic extermination. quote:A concentration camp is a place where people are imprisoned not because of any crimes they have committed, but simply because of who they are. Although many groups have been singled out for such persecution throughout history, the term 'concentration camp' was first used at the turn of the [20th] century in the Spanish American and Boer Wars. During World War II, America's concentration camps were clearly distinguishable from Nazi Germany's. Nazi camps were places of torture, barbarous medical experiments and summary executions; some were extermination centers with gas chambers. Six million Jews were slaughtered in the Holocaust. Many others, including Gypsies, Poles, homosexuals and political dissidents were also victims of the Nazi concentration camps. In recent years, concentration camps have existed in the former Soviet Union, Cambodia and Bosnia. Despite differences, all had one thing in common: the people in power removed a minority group from the general population and the rest of society let it happen.
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Jul 5, 2019 19:00
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Duzzy, they're concentration camps.
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Duzzy Funlop posted:Sobibor, Belzec, Treblinka, Auschwitz You’re gonna have to wait to get an answer. I get what you’re saying, Duzzy, and the comparison is troubling. It’s supposed to be troubling. Because it’s apt. Holocaust experts are calling the comparisons apt. It’s not a straight shot from here to extermination camps, but we’ve definitely started down the road that leads there. It took the Nazis over a decade to get to extermination, as I’m sure you know, and I think we’ve started the process here. The frog is in the pan and the heat is on.
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Duzzy Funlop posted:America - to this day - doesn't call the atrocities committed upon its own goddamn people of Japanese descent in the 40s "concentration camps", so don't throw the loving dictionary at me. Those were concentration camps. The fact that the government refuses to recognize them as such is also part of the problem. When people call these concentration camps, they're not saying that they're exactly like Auschwitz at the height of the Holocaust. Denying that they are concentration camps is denying that they have the potential to become much worse.
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Fister Roboto posted:Those were concentration camps. The fact that the government refuses to recognize them as such is also part of the problem. Eh, I get what you're saying I guess, it just hits home a little harder, and I can't pretend I'm not biased on the issue. I still love you all, and if you get a chance, punch a Nazi in the face <3
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Duzzy my dude they're concentration camps. Are they at the same level of scale and horror that Treblinka, Auschwitz, Bergen-Belsen and the rest? Absolutely not. Do they fit the textbook definition of what a Concentration Camp is? Absolutely The Spanish had them. The Brits had them. The Americans had then. I'd argue that us polite wonderful Canadians had them (Residential Schools). Aussies have them. Soviets had them.
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Woof Blitzer posted:They’re concentration camps.
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MA-Horus posted:Duzzy my dude they're concentration camps. Are they at the same level of scale and horror that Treblinka, Auschwitz, Bergen-Belsen and the rest? Absolutely not. Chinese have them.
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Really the lesson of he holocaust should be "never again, anywhere, even a bit, not even step 1 of many," rather than "I'm gonna need to see some serious stacks of bodies before I do something rash like using stark and unabashed language."
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LingcodKilla posted:Chinese have them. Yup, forgot about the Uighurs. That's a goddamn humanitarian catastrophe that's being neatly swept under the rug.
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Duzzy Funlop posted:I'm sorry, but while you can didactically make an argument for quoting Webster or whatever at me to say that "concentration camp" is totally kosher to use for any form of forced-internment camp, and that the term has technically been in use since the 1900s, don't pretend to tell me that this has always been the popular understanding of the term. America - to this day - doesn't call the atrocities committed upon its own goddamn people of Japanese descent in the 40s "concentration camps", so don't throw the loving dictionary at me. Especially not when everyone's fine with the Swastika-comparisons of the Trump administration. okay like some other poster said lets call the holocaust ones death camps bing bing bong, so simple
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MA-Horus posted:Yup, forgot about the Uighurs. That's a goddamn humanitarian catastrophe that's being neatly swept under the rug. Xi is Donnie's buddy now.
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Johnny Five-Jaces posted:okay like some other poster said lets call the holocaust ones death camps Consider being less of a dick.
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also this opposition to that term is insanely weird to me drawing comparisons between what the current administration is doing to historical parallels and highlighting the end result of one particular historical parallel can and does stir people to action because they don't want to be complicit in a possible genocide. there's no downside to it e: McNally my dude I made that comment in totally good faith. I get why it's an emotional subject for forums poster Duzzy Funlop but these semantics arguments are so weird when people are, literally, dying because of this
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Jul 5, 2019 19:14
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Clips and magazines but for genocide
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Johnny Five-Jaces posted:e: McNally my dude I made that comment in totally good faith. I get why it's an emotional subject for forums poster Duzzy Funlop but these semantics arguments are so weird when people are, literally, dying because of this “bing bing bong so simple” is not a good faith argument my dude.
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if antifascist jewish orgs are calling them concentration camps then the rest of us don’t have any right to stand in their way https://mobile.twitter.com/outlivethemnyc/status/1143978711294853121 https://mobile.twitter.com/JFREJNYC/status/1146511928224866304 https://mobile.twitter.com/NeverAgainActn/status/1147167354624851969
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McNally posted:“bing bing bong so simple” is not a good faith argument my dude. you're right, that part is my b
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Jul 5, 2019 19:23
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Running around limp dicked calling them "processing centers" would be so on brand for the democratic party I'm shocked that anyone is calling it what it is.
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MA-Horus posted:Duzzy my dude they're concentration camps. Are they at the same level of scale and horror that Treblinka, Auschwitz, Bergen-Belsen and the rest? Absolutely not. Yeah, yeah, it's all good, I've taken a breather. I just got all furious on the keyboard, because the term triggers something pretty drat visceral in me. Real-talk and genuine promise: If any of y'all swing by my corner of DAS EUROPE and would like to augment your trip with some impactful poo poo, I'd be happy to take you to some sites around here and in Poland. The first time I wanted to go to Birkenau and Treblinka, I had planned a super efficient round-trip (insert German joke) with "only" 16 hours of driving that would have me visit both sites and then drive home via Frankfurt Oder, I drove past Birkenau on the way to the Auschwitz museum, turned around into the Birkenau memorial parking lot, stayed 90 minutes, and drove home immediately. I went back for Treblinka a month later, and while it's an entirely different experience (due to literally not a single brick of the original buildings still being there), it was possibly the most eerie experience I've had in my life.
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Duzzy Funlop posted:Sobibor, Belzec, Treblinka, Auschwitz I get the point you’re making but Nazi extermination camps aren’t the sole form of concentration camp. While the Trump admin isn’t actively committing genocide (yet), it’s still an apt name for what we’re doing with migrants & refugees in the southern US.
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Flying_Crab posted:I get the point you’re making but Nazi extermination camps aren’t the sole form of concentration camp. While the Trump admin isn’t actively committing genocide (yet), it’s still an apt name for what we’re doing with migrants & refugees in the southern US. Canada is though lol https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&sou...562439828310627 Get on our level bitches we had residential schools till the goddamn nineties please don't 
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-census/white-house-faces-court-deadline-to-reveal-u-s-census-citizenship-plan-idUSKCN1U01LG The president is considering an executive order to add the citizenship question to the census McNally fucked around with this message at 20:09 on Jul 5, 2019 |
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Jul 5, 2019 20:06
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Of course. If the courts don't rule your way, just make it an executive order and bypass them completely! Thanks, Obama.
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Jul 5, 2019 20:20
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 Getting these hysterical mailers from the nra makes my day. It has some 3 page rambling shitshow full of the LIEBRALS are LYING and a poll on what you support reatricting. gently caress it restrict and register and background check for everything assholes. The only thing i didnt checkbox support on was a straight up ban on all semi autos.
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Stravag posted:
Put some fishing weights into the postage paid return envelopes. Or tape it to a brick.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:My favorite part of fireworks on the 4th of July is all the assholes whose car alarms get set off. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi-b1YVql-w
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